# Lost 1.14: "Special" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 19, 2005, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581 "2005-01-19T17:50:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/81 "2005-01-20T03:05:24Z")
> [@Antigen](#): > > Please, the kid is\* ten\*. Reverse psychology works almost too well with kids that age. > > Locke says: “You have to stop coming to me because your dad said so” > > Walt thinks: Well, I’ll show him and just come here _all the time!_ Are you saying you think Locke was trying to say this to get Walt to come see him more often? I don’t buy that. And I didn’t say that Walt was going to **respond** to it by staying away. I simply said that I saw Locke handling things more appropriately by actually treating the kid like a kid – I think Locke’s intent was genuine – whether or not Walt would have obeyed or not. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/82 "2005-01-20T03:10:00Z")
> [@Antigen](#): > > Michael’s last name is Lloyd, I think, based on the “you just don’t want to take my last name” discussion he had with his pregnant girlfriend in the Babies-R-Us store. Nope. That was Susan’s (Walt’s mom’s last name). She repeated the name “Walt” when Michael suggested it and then said “Walter Lloyd” out loud and Michael commented that she didn’t want to get married so the kid would have her last name. Inferring that Lloyd was her last name. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/83 "2005-01-20T03:12:14Z")
> [@Anyanka](#): > > I missed the reference to “the cult of knives”. Locke does seem to…attract, engage people, into whatever it is he’s sharing with the island. Has he given knives to all of his’disciples’? Is that it? Yes, we’ve talked about it before, and although it hasn’t been explicitly mentioned on the show, it’s persisted. > [@Anyanka](#): > > I think Michael was really selfless when he reassured Walt about Brian, taking the blame, as it were. I had mixed feelings about this. It was a noble, selfless thing to do, and yet, making yourself “The Bad Guy” is probably not the best way to start off a relationship with the son you barely knew. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/84 "2005-01-20T03:15:01Z")
> [@medstar](#): > > My take on the Locke character is that he adjusts his style to whatever the character he’s facing responds to best. I think you’re right – good way to put it! Locke definitely handled each situation differently, but with lots of insight into what would work on each character. Great point! > [@](#): > > from _antigen_ > Michael’s last name is Lloyd, I think, based on the “you just don’t want to take my last name” discussion he had with his pregnant girlfriend in the Babies-R-Us store. Sounded to me like **her** last name was Lloyd, from that discussion. Just rewound, and here’s the dialogue: Her: Walt, huh? Michael: I’d like to do that, you know. Name him after my dad. Her: Walter… Walter Lloyd. Michael: Lloyd?? Aaaahhh alright, that’s why you won’t marry me. It’s not that you think marriage is too prosaic. You just want him to have your last name. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/85 "2005-01-20T03:20:11Z")
It’s **Michael Dawson**. Brian Porter (the adoptive father) used Michael’s full name when he showed up at Michael’s door (to tell him about the wife’s death). This is why I tape these things… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![h.sapiens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e0b2c6/32.png) [@h.sapiens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/h.sapiens)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/86 "2005-01-20T03:22:21Z")
Hey, what if a sunburned penguin show up on the next new episode? ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/87 "2005-01-20T03:23:03Z")
The producers / writers stated which comic book it is. (flogs the hamsters trying to find the info) from TV guide: > [@](#): > > All I can say is, every prop is absolutely intentional" Lindelof says. The comic is actually a Spanish translation of “Green Lantern/Flash: Faster Friends” Part 1, which chronicles the superheroes’ attach on an alien that turns out to be peaceful. Says Abrams, “We definitely chose that story for a reason”. I got it from here: [http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowForumPage/showid-24313/threadid-133103/](http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowForumPage/showid-24313/threadid-133103/) Brian ---
**Author:** ![EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilHamsterOnCrack)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/88 "2005-01-20T03:26:30Z")
I’m still trying to tie Vince into being Vincent Van Gogh, but so far coming up dry. If walt’s name was vince, it would be a lot easier. :-/ ---
**Author:** ![EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilHamsterOnCrack)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/89 "2005-01-20T03:28:18Z")
> [@EvilHamsterOnCrack](#): > > I’m still trying to tie Vince into being Vincent Van Gogh, but so far coming up dry. If walt’s name was vince, it would be a lot easier. :-/ Sorry for double post, but… what about Walt **disney**. (It’s ABC, I wouldn’t put it past them). He was a sort of visionary who created things that he thought were possible… It’s a stretch, but so far most of the names have meant something. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/90 "2005-01-20T03:29:30Z")
> [@h.sapiens](#): > > Hey, what if a sunburned penguin show up on the next new episode? And it attacks Shannon, trying to steal her sunscreen. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/91 "2005-01-20T03:32:50Z")
[Hmmm… Dawson…](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson) Can’t find anything special in his name. Maybe this time, a cigar is just a cigar. Unless we want to fixate on his first name. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/92 "2005-01-20T03:41:32Z")
You can find a summary of Walt’s comic book [here.](http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/obiwan/92/continuity.html) ---
**Author:** ![EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilHamsterOnCrack)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/93 "2005-01-20T03:44:36Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > You can find a summary of Walt’s comic book [here.](http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/obiwan/92/continuity.html) and scans of it in english here: [http://www.livejournal.com/community/scans\_daily/193624.html#cutid1](http://www.livejournal.com/community/scans_daily/193624.html#cutid1) ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/94 "2005-01-20T04:04:40Z")
Dammit dammit dammit. I missed everything after Charlie found something exciting in Claire’s diary and went to read it to Jack and His Hotness… er… ahem… Sayid. Can anyone recap? ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/95 "2005-01-20T04:14:22Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > [Hmmm… Dawson…](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson) > > Can’t find anything special in his name. Maybe this time, a cigar is just a cigar. Hmmm… Dawson… Dawson… Dawson’s Creek… starring Katie Holmes… who was “First Daughter”… with Michael Keaton… (Hey, “Michael” is Michael’s first name, too!) who was Batman… also Batman was George Clooney, who… was in Ocean’s Eleven… with Julia Roberts… who was one of the Flatliners… with… [Peter Griffin] Holy Crap!! Kevin Bacon is going to show up on the island!! [/PG] ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/96 "2005-01-20T04:44:53Z")
Was I the only one who, when Walt was being attacked by the bear, thought: “Son, just wish it into the cornfield…?” 😃 Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/97 "2005-01-20T05:09:07Z")
I couldn’t tell if Claire was still pregnant either. That scene with Charlie picking up the diary and putting it back down again repeatedly was the comic highlight of the evening. Michael and Locke should call a truce. I like the kid playing Walt. **js** , I think they went to an ad or another scene when Charlie wanted to read a bit of the diary to the others. Locke helped Michael to rescue Walt and then they rescued Michael as well. The bear took a few slashes to the nose from a knife and ran off. Then Claire came back looking rather bedraggled; she approached Locke and Boone. Boone is a disciple of Locke’s now, isn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![GraceTX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@GraceTX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GraceTX)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/98 "2005-01-20T05:11:52Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > I couldn’t tell if Claire was still pregnant either. I watched that scene several times (thank you TiVO) and it was pretty dark, but it appeared that she was no longer pregnant. How long do we have to wait before we get a new episode? Does anyone know which episodes they’re planning on repeating until then? ---
**Author:** ![Spree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@Spree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spree)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/99 "2005-01-20T05:14:05Z")
Actually, there was a bit with the diary. Charlie read to the others an entry that Claire wrote about the “Black Rock” and how she can’t seem to get away from it (in her dreams, I think). Charlie remembers what Sayid said about the Black Rock from his time with Danielle, and they speculate that the Black Rock is what the map coordinates locate, and may be where Ethan took Claire . However, Jack reasons that they can’t do anything now because it’s nighttime, so the scene then cuts to the action with Locke/Walt/Michael. A few minutes later, lo and behold, Claire’s back! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2005, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581/100 "2005-01-20T05:26:05Z")
Wow, what an interesting episode. The writers are doling out the facts very so slowly. What did we learn this time: - Walt is “special”, in that he can manifest things. Birds, polar bears. - Boone is not 100% under Locke’s spell. - The polar bear special effects were pretty weak. Is that because the bear isn’t real, or just a budget limitation of the show…? - The Banyan trees are a safe haven. No one has been attacked while they are in the protective girdle of the banyan vines. - I couldn’t see for sure, but I’ll bet dollars to donunts that Claire is no longer prego. Ethan (and anyone he’s working with) wants this baby for the same reason they wanted Alex. Maybe it’s as simply as wanting cord blood for a cure to whatever it is that Rousseau’s shipmates became “carriers” of. It’s important to remember that there are already people on the island. Rousseau, Ethan, and “the others”. Our castaways are not the the origin of what is happening. They are players. Walt didn’t manifest this whole scenario. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-14-special/285581.md?page=6)