# Lost 1.16 "Outlaws" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 16, 2005, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383 "2005-02-16T18:23:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![mkl12](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@mkl12](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mkl12)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/101 "2005-02-17T23:47:41Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Actually, there’s something very annoying (to me, at least) about what the writers have done in the last two episodes. They killed Ethan Rom. > > Where did Ethan come from? Doesn’t matter…he’s dead. > Why did he want Claire? Does it have something to do with her baby? We’ll never know…he’s dead, and she very conveniently has amnesia. > > Dammit! It feels like they wrote themselves into a corner, then wrote their way out of it very clumsily. I hope that’s not the case. I hope Zombie Ethan comes back. > 🙂 That’s only true if he was working alone. If he was part of a group (the others?), that storyline could still be resolved, without the need for zombies. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2005, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/102 "2005-02-17T23:57:58Z")
I have to believe that Ethan is not alone. As Charlie said after his hanging rescue: “They only wanted Claire.” ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/103 "2005-02-18T00:14:59Z")
WARNING: The following unfit for any rational mind. You have been warned. "It’s the story, of a man named Ethan who was living on an island in the sea he was wanting a pregnant woman but was he all alone. It’s the story, of a girl named Cla-air, who crashed on this island, as well She survived with about 40 others, the youngest one was Walt. Till the one day that the lady met this fellow and he knew that he couldn’t leave her behind he took her to a secret locale and she escaped but lost her freakin’ mind" I have a feeling I’m going to be doing new theme songs for Lost all day… "Just sit right back and you’ll hear a tale, a tale of fateful trip that started from Austalia, aboard this great big plane. The Doc was a mighty healing man Hurley big and fat more passengers took off that day for a (insert flight time) hour flight a (flight time) hour flight crash The ride, it started getting rough the mighty plane broke up If not for an incredible stroke of luck the people would be squished the people would be squished the middle crashed land on the shore of this uncharted jungle isle with Sawyer and Katie too The Korean guy and his wife The music star The new dad and his son Walt Here on Mysterious Isle" ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/104 "2005-02-18T01:05:12Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > I agree, but can he do an Irish brogue? I don’t know, but I’d be willing to pay money to see him try. He can pull of charming and assholish so well, don’t you think? **Odinoneye** , I bow in honor of your talent. Now do it to the theme of _Friends_. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/105 "2005-02-18T01:23:04Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I hope Zombie Ethan comes back. Actually, I halfway expect this to actually happen, but not as a zombie — more that one of the island’s secrets turns out to center on experiments in cloning. It’d certainly be a great shocking cliffhanger for another Ethan to loom out of the forest and shock the piss out of Charlie, wouldn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/106 "2005-02-18T02:40:06Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Where did Ethan come from? Doesn’t matter…he’s dead. > Why did he want Claire? Does it have something to do with her baby? We’ll never know…he’s dead, and she very conveniently has amnesia. > > Dammit! It feels like they wrote themselves into a corner, then wrote their way out of it very clumsily. I hope that’s not the case. No – I think we’ll still find out. I’m pretty sure Ethan’s not the only one – he’s just the “Other” that infiltrated their little survivor group. But when the Others find out he’s not coming back, the proveribial fecal matter might just impact with the rotating cooling device. ---
**Author:** ![Man\_from\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Man\_from\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Man_from_Mars)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/107 "2005-02-18T03:44:55Z")
If anyone has a copy of the episode where Boone flashback’s to his visit to his sis in Australia: when he’s in the police station, trying to get the cop’s help, we see Sawyer being dragged in behind them. I remember him being distraught. What was he yelling? If he was being processed for his alleged murder of the shrimp guy, how did he wind up on a plane out of the country? Or was he at the police station for some other reason? ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/108 "2005-02-18T04:05:42Z")
> [@Tony](#): > > If anyone has a copy of the episode where Boone flashback’s to his visit to his sis in Australia: > > when he’s in the police station, trying to get the cop’s help, we see Sawyer being dragged in behind them. I remember him being distraught. What was he yelling? If he was being processed for his alleged murder of the shrimp guy, how did he wind up on a plane out of the country? Or was he at the police station for some other reason? Sawyer: "… _(something rather faint)_… minding my own business… this guy (_ **can’t tell** _)… his bottle, I just gave it back to him! And yo, croc hunter! How come nobody wants to hear MY side of the story, huh? " That’s the most I could make out. Sounds like he was dragged in for brawling – probably hit somebody with a bottle, judging from his comments in this scene. I don’t think he was dragged in for that murder – no indication that anybody caught him on that one. Sounded more like bar fight. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/109 "2005-02-18T04:13:45Z")
Who was the dark haired guy helping Michael build the raft? It wasn’t Boone’s Farm was it? I liked the way the writers seemed to be linking the people on tthe island closer together this ep. Not just the backstory linkings. But the interactions, friendships, putting up with each other type of linking. Bodes well for something realy bad to happen soon. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/110 "2005-02-18T04:38:43Z")
So speaking of linking… Who will Kate end up in the sack with first? Jack or Sawyer? (or both at once? :eek: ) ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/111 "2005-02-18T04:39:59Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > So speaking of linking… > > Who will Kate end up in the sack with first? Jack or Sawyer? (or both at once? :eek: ) HURLEY! “I get cramps.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/112 "2005-02-18T06:00:50Z")
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude… ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/113 "2005-02-18T06:11:54Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I saw that too. But when he reached into the glove compartment for the pistol, I could swear he opened it to the right. I noticed the open-to-the-left, open-to-the-right, discrepancy as well. I wonder if the editors screwed up some reverse-camera stuff - right-hand-drive Aussie cars, etc. Anybody want to review tapes and check Sawyer’s hair, wristwatch, etc to see if that’s the case? ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/114 "2005-02-18T06:23:52Z")
> [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > I noticed the open-to-the-left, open-to-the-right, discrepancy as well. I wonder if the editors screwed up some reverse-camera stuff - right-hand-drive Aussie cars, etc. Anybody want to review tapes and check Sawyer’s hair, wristwatch, etc to see if that’s the case? And another thing - boars wouldn’t be native to a really isolated island in the south pacific - they would have to be introduced by (presumably European) explorers. And yet another thing - the “golf course” would be head-high in grass unless there were grazers around - antelope, bison, reindeer, wildebeests - which would seem to have been discovered by the survivors by now. And boars are not grass-eaters. Note: on these last two items I will give the writers a pass on creative license. ---
**Author:** ![Gamaliel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b487fb/32.png) [@Gamaliel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gamaliel)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/115 "2005-02-18T06:34:17Z")
> [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > And another thing - boars wouldn’t be native to a really isolated island in the south pacific Neither would polar bears. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/116 "2005-02-18T06:58:39Z")
> [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > And another thing - boars wouldn’t be native to a really isolated island in the south pacific - they would have to be introduced by (presumably European) explorers. Doesn’t have to be European. [Wikipedia.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig) And regarding loose ends, which I brought up. Yes, the hatch is still unanswered, along with a slew of other things, but I’ firmly convinced that it will be resolved. It’s another question if the answer will be satisfactory. ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/117 "2005-02-18T11:24:53Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > “Come back around” > > repeated several times this ep by diff people. Significance? The full quote was, “It’ll come back around.” Most tellingly, these were the very last words of the man Sawyer wrongly killed. The kind of thing that’d stick out in your mind, if you suddenly realized you killed an innocent person. These words were first heard by Sawyer when 1) he heard whispering in the jungle while he was chasing after the boar that night night, and 2) after he recovered the tarp, just before the boar struck and 3) again while he dreaming of his daddy’s suicide that morphed into his daddy’s boots suddenly changing into the boar. Is there some sort of island-induced pattern to these whisperings? Were they random, directed or triggered? Is it significant that, except in the flashback, the boar was there each time he heard the words? ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/118 "2005-02-18T14:00:14Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > Something about the way he looked at Jack made me wonder if whether he was impressed or angered. > > I’m still not convinced that Sawyer had a good vibe about Jack’s dad. > > The first few seconds of the scene I agreed with you both. > > Then I wondered if Sawyer was really all that impressed with Jack’s dad or Jack’s dad’s comments about Jack. Since the only clue we have after the shrimp hit was Sawyer’s “He wanted the bottle” statement, it made me wonder if Sawyer considered Jack’s dad to be yet another person who leads him into crap and that now he sees the same situation with Jack. I was also thinking about the parallels between Jack’s situation and Sawyer’s. Jack had a dad who thought he was great and he sent him to “hell.” Sawyer’s killed his mom and himself while Sawyer was hiding under a bed. That kind of event leads to complicated emotions, I suppose. Also, was there anything to Dr. Shepherd’s comments about hell? Someone once posited (ok, it was me!) that in the purgatory theory (put forth by many others) there were two seperate forces at work pulling people to heaven and hell. Was this a hint, or just good dialogue? ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/119 "2005-02-18T14:57:32Z")
> [@watsonwil](#): > > Also, was there anything to Dr. Shepherd’s comments about hell? Someone once posited (ok, it was me!) that in the purgatory theory (put forth by many others) there were two seperate forces at work pulling people to heaven and hell. > Was this a hint, or just good dialogue? I think it was a hint. I’ve been partial to the Purgatory theory since day one. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2005, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383/120 "2005-02-18T15:53:49Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > No – I think we’ll still find out. I’m pretty sure Ethan’s not the only one – he’s just the “Other” that infiltrated their little survivor group. But when the Others find out he’s not coming back, the proveribial fecal matter might just impact with the rotating cooling device. I hope you (and the others who replied) are right. I need to have my faith restored. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-16-outlaws/290383.md?page=7)