# LOST 1-21-09 "Because You Left"/"The Lie" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 21, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345 "2009-01-21T19:54:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/181 "2009-01-27T01:03:20Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > They could have meant move it through time, but I thought they meant geologically. And the weird old lady who might be Daniel’s mom seems to be trying to locate the island physically on a map of the earth using some arcane combination of a Foucoult’s pendulum and a 70’s green screen computer. So I thought the Island had been physically moved.- And if the island moved near Africa in the 90s during one of the flashes, that would be a good explanation why the plane from Nigeria got to the island. ---
**Author:** ![mshar253](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@mshar253](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mshar253)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/182 "2009-01-27T01:17:43Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > And if the island moved near Africa in the 90s during one of the flashes, that would be a good explanation why the plane from Nigeria got to the island. Remember when Tom was saying to someone, “…But then the sky turned purple?” About what and to whom was he talking then? I feel like he was saying something about why they couldn’t leave the island, or something… I don’t know. It just occurred to me, and now I’m a little curious. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/183 "2009-01-27T15:10:42Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > (Not all of them. I doubt we’ll ever find out what the deal was with that psychic guy who scared the crap out of Claire. These loose ends will nag, but the show is a heck of a lot tighter now than it was before this episode aired.) I wouldn’t be so sure. He has returned since then. Remember him being the scared father when the girl died and seemingly returned to life. I think it was Eko as a priest investigating a possible miracle. That leads me to believe we are not done with him. > [@](#): > > (Which invites the question: Is this show going to pose a challenge to its viewers, how geeky can we get away with making a mainstream series? At what point do the sci-fi trappings begin to scare off the Joe and Jane Sixpacks in the audience? That opening hour was pretty dense with concept. No wonder the second hour backed off in favor of character and comedy.) I think Lost’s audience has shaken off the non-believers. Anyone still watching this rollercoaster after four seasons is pot committed to the end. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/184 "2009-01-27T17:41:45Z")
> [@mshar253](#): > > Remember when Tom was saying to someone, “…But then the sky turned purple?” About what and to whom was he talking then? I feel like he was saying something about why they couldn’t leave the island, or something… I don’t know. It just occurred to me, and now I’m a little curious. Some of the Others: > [@](#): > > [Scene switches and we see Sawyer strapped to a table, coming to. We can hear Tom in the background.] > > TOM: 2 days since the sky turned purple. We’ve been blind. Our comms are all down – I can’t get them back up again. And in case you forgot, Colleen’s in critical… > > BEN: Juliet’s taking care of her. [http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/Every\_Man.htm](http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/Every_Man.htm) and later to Jack: > [@](#): > > [Back in the operating room, Jack works on Ben’s spine while Tom stands by looking green.] > > JACK: You okay? > > TOM: Yeah, I just don’t like blood too much. > > JACK [holding a chunk of tissue in the air]: Well, then you probably won’t want to be looking at that. [he tosses it in a tray] So, if you really can get off the island why didn’t you just take him to a facility? Why all this? > > TOM: Because ever since the sky turned purple… [http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/Not\_in\_Portland.htm](http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/Not_in_Portland.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Arcite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/67e7ee/32.png) [@Arcite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arcite)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/185 "2009-01-27T19:41:32Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Quick one here - do we have any idea who the British (going by accent) guys were that jumped Juliet and Sawyer in tonight’s episode? > > -Joe My thinking was that they were Widmore employees, in a future time when Widmore has wrested the island back from Ben. But if what we’re being told about not being able to alter time is true, that would mean that Widmore eventually wins, so Ben’s efforts to do whatever it is he’s now trying to do are doomed to failure… > [@Frylock](#): > > Didn’t Daniel rant a bit about how Desmond is unique in some way? I thought he meant to refer to the way Desmond is already unstuck in time. I thought that Daniel was realizing that, though _most_ people can’t change the past, Desmond can. I figured by “special” Daniel meant that past-Desmond wasn’t going to jump through time like the rest of them the next time the white flash occurred, because he wasn’t from the present when the frozen donkey wheel was turned. > [@Baldwin](#): > > One of the many minor mysteries: have they ever shown at what point in her life Juliet, an MD specializing in fertility problems, learned her martial arts skills? I realize this is kind of a joke, but it brings to mind a more serious point. While I was glad these episodes moved at a faster pace and revelaed more than we’ve been getting, the basic frustrations many of us had about this show are still there; i.e., no one asks the big questions. Something crazy happens, and someone asks Juliet “hey, what was that,” she replies “I don’t know,” and they just drop it, instead of saying, “wait a minute, you lived with these people for however many years, and you’re telling me you don’t know anything about WTF is up with this island?” Ben shows up off-island and tells Jack they all need to go back or bad stuff will keep happening, and he just says “OK” instead of “hey, wait a minute, mind sitting me down and telling me exactly why and how you know this, in other words, WTF is up with that island?” Also, as others have mentioned, they haven’t given any indication that they’re going to explain old mysteries (Adam and Eve, the Black Rock, why the Dharma Initiative still has an off-island presence that still makes food drops to the island.) The show still keeps me interested, but I don’t have high hopes that we’re going to get most of our big questions answered. ---
**Author:** ![Dilton\_Doiley\_Philosopher\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f1d935/32.png) [@Dilton\_Doiley\_Philosopher\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dilton_Doiley_Philosopher_King)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/186 "2009-01-28T02:10:37Z")
> [@Arcite](#): > > no one asks the big questions. Something crazy happens, and someone asks Juliet “hey, what was that,” she replies “I don’t know,” and they just drop it, instead of saying, “wait a minute, you lived with these people for however many years, and you’re telling me you don’t know anything about WTF is up with this island?” Ben shows up off-island and tells Jack they all need to go back or bad stuff will keep happening, and he just says “OK” instead of “hey, wait a minute, mind sitting me down and telling me exactly why and how you know this, in other words, WTF is up with that island?” I would love to see a feature on the last-season DVD, with Ben explaining things to Jack in the way that The Architect explained things to Neo: [QUOTE=Architect Ben] While the smoke monster worked, it was fundamentally flawed, creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that, if left unchecked, might threaten the system itself. [/QUOTE] Would Jack rush back in time and keep the plane from crashing? Or would he choose love in the face of his people’s own destruction? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/187 "2009-01-28T14:20:38Z")
> [@Arcite](#): > > I realize this is kind of a joke, but it brings to mind a more serious point. While I was glad these episodes moved at a faster pace and revelaed more than we’ve been getting, the basic frustrations many of us had about this show are still there; i.e., no one asks the big questions. Something crazy happens, and someone asks Juliet “hey, what was that,” she replies “I don’t know,” and they just drop it, instead of saying, “wait a minute, you lived with these people for however many years, and you’re telling me you don’t know anything about WTF is up with this island?” Yeah, that is getting to be a bit much. The camp disappears and Sawyer asks Daniel “What’s going on?” Daniel: “Mmmmm, it’s complicated, hard to explain, yada, yada.” Sawyer slaps him in the face, “Tell me what’s going on!” Daniel: “Well, see, the island is like a record, and it spins, and well, see, it kind of skips…” (mine added) Sawyer punches him in the gut “What’s wrong with saying ‘we went back in time’, is that so hard to say. Not too complicated of a concept now is it.” ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/188 "2009-01-28T14:37:45Z")
> [@Arcite](#): > > I realize this is kind of a joke, but it brings to mind a more serious point. While I was glad these episodes moved at a faster pace and revelaed more than we’ve been getting, the basic frustrations many of us had about this show are still there; i.e., no one asks the big questions. Something crazy happens, and someone asks Juliet “hey, what was that,” she replies “I don’t know,” and they just drop it, instead of saying, “wait a minute, you lived with these people for however many years, and you’re telling me you don’t know anything about WTF is up with this island?” Ben shows up off-island and tells Jack they all need to go back or bad stuff will keep happening, and he just says “OK” instead of “hey, wait a minute, mind sitting me down and telling me exactly why and how you know this, in other words, WTF is up with that island?” It’s especially ridiculous when you think about how long the people have been on the island; even when they were struggling for food and shelter, they have very little to do other than talk to each other - there’s no TV, very few books, and no Internet. After they find the hatch, there’s even more time to talk to each other. After a few weeks, they should all be very familiar with each other’s life stories, and should have discussed all the mysteries of the island ad nausem. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/189 "2009-01-28T14:40:58Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > According to Lostpedia, there’s 14 left (plus Vincent) and another 15 from the tail section are with the others. Okay, wait a minute… this just made me think of something. If there are people from the tail section hanging around with the Others (the stewardess is the one I recall seeing most often), why are they sticking with the Others and not time-jumping with Locke? ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/190 "2009-01-28T14:57:47Z")
> [@Arcite](#): > > Also, as others have mentioned, they haven’t given any indication that they’re going to explain old mysteries (Adam and Eve, the Black Rock, why the Dharma Initiative still has an off-island presence that still makes food drops to the island.) The show still keeps me interested, but I don’t have high hopes that we’re going to get most of our big questions answered. Really? I’m sure they’re not going to explain everything, but I think we’ll probably get an explanation for Adam & Eve and the Black Rock, and at least some more info on Dharma. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/191 "2009-01-28T15:08:44Z")
> [@Arcite](#): > > Also, as others have mentioned, they haven’t given any indication that they’re going to explain old mysteries (Adam and Eve, the Black Rock, why the Dharma Initiative still has an off-island presence that still makes food drops to the island.) The show still keeps me interested, but I don’t have high hopes that we’re going to get most of our big questions answered. They actually talked some about this in one of the two most recent video podcasts. I don’t remember exactly what they said, but they basically reaffirmed a statement they made before that they do intend to explain the old mysteries, but they put a sort of winky gloss on it: define “explain” and “old mysteries.” Here is a link to the podcasts for season 5: [http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Official\_Lost\_Podcast#Season\_5](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Official_Lost_Podcast#Season_5) ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/192 "2009-01-28T18:04:36Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > Okay, wait a minute… this just made me think of something. If there are people from the tail section hanging around with the Others (the stewardess is the one I recall seeing most often), why are they sticking with the Others and not time-jumping with Locke? I’m wondering if the new others go through some initiation that “sticks” them to the island. And maybe when Juliet got that tattoo (that did look similar to the frozen donkey wheel) she was “unstuck”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345.md?page=9)