# LOST 1-21-09 "Because You Left"/"The Lie" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 21, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345 "2009-01-21T19:54:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![mshar253](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@mshar253](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mshar253)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/121 "2009-01-23T01:17:54Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > Nothing of importance, but I liked how the Willie Nelson record at the start of the episoded played, then skipped. Much like Faraday’s explanation of time travel later in the episode. > > Foreshadowing, right? Also, the Dharma guy said at the beginning that if they continued to drill, “God help us all;” that was also the last line of the episode, delivered by Ms. Hawking. And for the love of God, why is everyone assuming that she is Faraday’s mother? I don’t remember that being hinted at even a little last season. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/122 "2009-01-23T01:53:31Z")
> [@mshar253](#): > > Also, the Dharma guy said at the beginning that if they continued to drill, “God help us all;” that was also the last line of the episode, delivered by Ms. Hawking. > > And for the love of God, why is everyone assuming that she is Faraday’s mother? I don’t remember that being hinted at even a little last season. Just from the fact that she seems to be an expert at time-travel, and they cut Daniel off just before we heard her name. It kinda implies that we would know who she is. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/123 "2009-01-23T03:41:11Z")
Key quote from early in episode one: [QUOTE=Mining engineer guy] ``` Did you hear that? "Time machine". How stupid does that guy think we are? ``` [/QUOTE] Oh, and I really liked the hail of flaming arrows. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/124 "2009-01-23T04:13:19Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Just from the fact that she seems to be an expert at time-travel, and they cut Daniel off just before we heard her name. It kinda implies that we would know who she is. Plus, he had a picture of her framed somewhere. Most people don’t frame pictures of random older women. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/125 "2009-01-23T04:23:39Z")
He did? ---
**Author:** ![Ring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Ring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ring)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/126 "2009-01-23T04:39:47Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > That pendulum chalk device mysterious omniscient lady was using is cool. Must be an island location calculating device… I think Galileo built it. It was a Foucault pendulum. > **[Foucault pendulum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum)** > > The Foucault pendulum or Foucault's pendulum is a simple device named after French physicist Léon Foucault, conceived as an experiment to demonstrate the Earth's rotation. If a long and heavy pendulum suspended from the high roof above a circular area is monitored over an extended period of time, its plane of oscillation appears to change spontaneously as the Earth makes its 24-hourly rotation. This effect is greatest at the poles and diminishes with lower latitude until it no longer exists at Ea... ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/127 "2009-01-23T05:04:55Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Did Sawyer call Daniel “Bogart” or “Frogurt”? I didn’t quite get that one. Frogurt as in frozen yogurt: [http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Neil\_%22Frogurt%22](http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Neil_%22Frogurt%22) From the episode S.O.S.: BERNARD: Good. Can you get Libby and meet me at the edge of the tree line in 5 minutes? Oh, and if you can get Jin and Sun, Jenkins and that Frogurt guy – the guy who used to make frozen yogurt. HURLEY: Neil? Not sure if it was Neil, since he got hit in the chest, but somebody ran off the screen with their head on fire and it cracked me up! ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/128 "2009-01-23T08:27:41Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > I liked that Hurley’s dad was watching the show that Nikki was on. Wait - what? So many details lost over time… ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/129 "2009-01-23T08:34:57Z")
> [@well\_he\_s\_back](#): > > If it was just about his daughter, why couldn’t she tell Jack? Hold on - again: What? Another detail lost over time? ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/130 "2009-01-23T14:54:13Z")
When Hurley’s dad first appeared, he made a sandwich and sat down to watch tv. The show was the one that Nikki was an actress on. Sawyer has a daughter. When he jumped out of the helicopter, he whispered something to Kate first. Also, in one of the season 4 episodes, Kate told Jack she had to do something for Sawyer but wouldn’t tell him what. The speculation is that the whispering was him asking her to do something for the daughter. ---
**Author:** ![mshar253](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@mshar253](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mshar253)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/131 "2009-01-23T15:21:26Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Plus, he had a picture of her framed somewhere. Most people don’t frame pictures of random older women. I remember the monk who had taken in Desmond having had a picture of Ms. Hawking, but I don’t remember the Faraday one. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/132 "2009-01-23T15:33:37Z")
> [@HoboStew](#): > > Faraday explains that since sawyer never met desmond before they entered the hatch, no matter what sawyer does back in time prior to entering the hatch he can’t meet desmond because it would create a paradox. Faraday, however, met desmond way back when in oxford (as per the constant like fiddlesticks said) so they can go ahead and meet up with no temporal consequences. Isn’t that rule conflicted by the fact that Locke interacted with Ethan during a time bubble which was before they met in “un-tampered” time? Or did the two somehow have a previous meeting that I forgot. ---
**Author:** ![Dilton\_Doiley\_Philosopher\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f1d935/32.png) [@Dilton\_Doiley\_Philosopher\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dilton_Doiley_Philosopher_King)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/133 "2009-01-23T16:13:34Z")
Wasn’t there a thread of unanswered questions? Which of those questions are answered now, after the new season premiere? …or at the very least, which ones can be explained by the island and its inhabitants moving abnormally thru time/space? ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/134 "2009-01-23T16:46:04Z")
> [@BubbaDog](#): > > Isn’t that rule conflicted by the fact that Locke interacted with Ethan during a time bubble which was before they met in “un-tampered” time? Or did the two somehow have a previous meeting that I forgot. Ah, but that was Ethan’s past. He _could_ have met Locke in his past and just never mentioned it to any of the other losties. However, Sawyer appearing in Desmond’s past (where Desmond definitely did not meet Sawyer) would cause problems. Time travel gives me headaches. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/135 "2009-01-23T16:57:18Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Ah, but that was Ethan’s past. He _could_ have met Locke in his past and just never mentioned it to any of the other losties. However, Sawyer appearing in Desmond’s past (where Desmond definitely did not meet Sawyer) would cause problems. > > Time travel gives me headaches. I’m think that Locke meeting up with the Others in the past is part of how they know how important he is. ---
**Author:** ![McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a3d4f5/32.png) [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/McDeath_the_Mad)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/136 "2009-01-23T17:10:10Z")
So was the butcher lady the same lady who read what jack’s tattoo said when he was imprisoned by the Others? MtM ---
**Author:** ![well\_he\_s\_back](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/3ab097/32.png) [@well\_he\_s\_back](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/well_he_s_back)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/137 "2009-01-23T17:35:50Z")
Just a thought: Someone snarkily inferred upthread that any characters not mentioned or shown in the recap episode directly before the first new one, well those people must not be imp. to the mystery/mythology. I’m thinking (hoping) that’s not necessarily true, because I don’t think they covered Walt. and he’s got to be important. also Rouseau. Anyway, perhaps they just didn’t have time to mention Everyone, or pay union wages for a brief snippet of an actor. Or they didn’t want to confuse people they were trying to bring up to speed. I know I’m not being very clear, but I trust you guys can follow. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/138 "2009-01-23T17:36:37Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > Speaking of Marvin, isn’t he the one with a prosthetic arm? Didn’t he have two natural arms last night? Nah…you’re confusing him with Mysterious Massive Dynamics Lady, from _Fringe_. She’s the one with the prosthetic arm. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/139 "2009-01-23T17:58:58Z")
Time Travel!!??! :eek: Gawd, that’s a mistake, it has spelled doom to every show that has gone there. ☹ Lost is doomed as a show, Time Travel is the Great White Shark of Jumpness.😛 ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345/140 "2009-01-23T18:09:58Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Nah…you’re confusing him with Mysterious Massive Dynamics Lady, from _Fringe_. She’s the one with the prosthetic arm. Dr. Candle has a prosthetic arm too. At least he does in some of the training films. But how it happened is still a mystery. Of course, who he is and how did he lose his arm is one of the Lost mysteries I really want answered. Which likely means they won’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-21-09-because-you-left-the-lie/482345.md?page=8)