# Lost 1.22: "Born to Run" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 11, 2005, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396 "2005-05-11T15:15:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/101 "2005-05-12T17:01:41Z")
> [@BiblioCat](#): > > She may have had a fake ID, too, to pick up the letter. I think the letter had cash in it. When she was reading it, there was a wad of $20s in her lap, like she had pulled them out with the letter. Do you need ID to pick up letters left at motel desks? In the scene where she picked up the letter, she simply gave the guy her name, and he handed her the letter. She definitely did have money in her lap that probably came out of the letter, but she didn’t have to show any ID. > [@h.sapiens](#): > > I forget how Hurley knows that Kate is a fugitive. Jack knew because the Marshall told him, Sawyer worked it out on his own, Locke found out from Hurley (d’oh!), and nobody else knew, right? Hurley was present when the marshal told Jack, and he saw Kate’s mug shots back in episode 2 or 3. ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/102 "2005-05-12T17:05:33Z")
I’m not feelin’ none of y’all on the Kate Hate for kissing Tom. It was a kiss, but they both clearly wanted it and that’s all it was – one kiss full of regret for what might have been. I’ve felt a powerful desire for one last kiss for closure. Never have, though. I’d rather have done it impulsively and apologized afterward than go around regretting never doing it. Also, I don’t know why Tom hopped in the car. Kate tried to get him to get out of the car. Cop drew his gun. Tom still wouldn’t get out of the car. Of course Kate feels guilty for what happened next but he made choices, too. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/103 "2005-05-12T17:08:07Z")
> [@h.sapiens](#): > > I forget how Hurley knows that Kate is a fugitive. Jack knew because the Marshall told him, Sawyer worked it out on his own, Locke found out from Hurley (d’oh!), and nobody else knew, right? Hurley was right there helping when Jack was working on the marshall. > [@Wile E](#): > > I’m all for the Kate Hate, but let’s get our facts straight. So…Straight Kate Hate? 😃 > [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Claire and Charlie are becoming more comfortable with intimacy. She’s cutting his hair, they’re both talking about the future assuming each other is there. I didn’t read that scene the same way at all. Charlie suggested Claire hang out with him in LA, and her response seemed offly lukewarm and off-putting to me. He’s obviously much more into her than she is into him. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/104 "2005-05-12T17:13:15Z")
Okay, so after a whole episode about secrets being awkwardly and painfully revealed to one another, at the end, when Sun confesses poisoning the water to Jack, Jack immediately says, “I don’t think anybody else needs to know about this”? …I don’t know about you, but I thought that was pretty funny. Oh, and Claire got awfully skinny awfully quick after giving birth, didn’t she? ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/105 "2005-05-12T17:14:03Z")
Claire might have been thrown by the offer but she didn’t seem put-off by it. Trimming Charlie’s hair is still kind of intimate, tho. All that face touching, the back of the neck. I agree he’s obviously more into her but they’ve de facto paired up already. ---
**Author:** ![Skipper\_Too](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Skipper\_Too](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skipper_Too)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/106 "2005-05-12T17:22:34Z")
> [@Annie](#): > > The Canadian preview included Danielle saying They took my baby I think. Any _Lost_ Canucks out there, did I hear that right? I don’t think that was on the US teaser… Any Idea why Previews for next week would be diffrent based on where you are? I would think the preview would be same. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/107 "2005-05-12T17:34:14Z")
> [@Skipper Too](#): > > Any Idea why Previews for next week would be diffrent based on where you are? I would think the preview would be same. Canadian TV allows fewer commercials per hour, so maybe we get the extended version previews to fill in the time? ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/108 "2005-05-12T17:35:18Z")
This bugged me: Jack, upon learning that Sun was the poisoner: “I can’t see why anyone else has to know about this.” Uh, maybe because if they don’t know about it the other castaways are going to assume Kate is the poisoner and shun her accordingly? As far as Jack knew, Kate was innocent, but he was still willing to leave her on the hook to take the blame for what Sun had done. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/109 "2005-05-12T17:54:10Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Oh, and Claire got awfully skinny awfully quick after giving birth, didn’t she? You’d almost think she was never really pregnant! I’ve got a new hypothesis about why Ethan and the Others\* wanted Claire’s baby. Danielle has told us there was some sort of disease that affected the others. And everyone in her crew was a research scientist of some kind, right? Maybe they want Turniphead’s cord blood/ stem cells/ pristine immune system for some purpose related to curing the disease/ developing a vaccine? Likely? Unlikely? Someone come in here with an obscure factoid from a previous episode that rules this out. Or, someone else come in here with a link to a thread from a month ago that beat me to this hypothesis. \*band name! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/110 "2005-05-12T17:55:39Z")
My wife and I are having a bit of a debate. After 35-odd days together, shouldn’t there be at least _some_ pairing up and extra-curricular boinking going on? I say yes, the Mrs. sez no. What do y’all think? ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/111 "2005-05-12T17:56:37Z")
> [@spoke-](#): > > As far as Jack knew, Kate was innocent, but he was still willing to leave her on the hook to take the blame for what Sun had done. I didn’t specifically think of that, but I did wonder what Jack was going to tell Michael: “Don’t worry, Michael. You’ll be all right in a day or two. I know exactly what poisoned you and how much was used. Never mind how.” ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/112 "2005-05-12T17:58:25Z")
> [@Annie](#): > > The Canadian preview included Danielle saying They took my baby I think. Any _Lost_ Canucks out there, did I hear that right? I don’t think that was on the US teaser… Canadian here - and yes, CFL said that someone took her baby. Then it cut to Claire holding her baby and looking all worried. Is there any reason why they have different teasers in the US and Canada? Does it air in other countries? Or are they delayed a few weeks or so and teasers aren’t used? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/113 "2005-05-12T18:00:12Z")
It might be because they show fewer commercials in Canada, and they have to fill the time, so they show longer teasers rather than just screenshots of Kate in a bikini. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/114 "2005-05-12T18:14:06Z")
1. You say “…screenshots of Kate in a bikini…” like it’s a _bad_ thing! 2. As for extra-curricular boinking…maybe. I’d be more concerned about food, shelter, rescue, and the TCM than I would be about getting some action from an under-washed, under-shaved, roots-showing, same-clothes-for-the-last-month, no chocolate, no Midol, “It’s all your fault, you bastard!” survivor female. But ask again after **two** months! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/115 "2005-05-12T18:14:47Z")
> [@BiblioCat](#): > > This flashback definitely took place **before** the bank robbery. She and Tom dug up the toy plane, she left it in the car, and someone put it in the safe-deposit box - probably Tom’s wife or next-of-kin. That’s only true IF the toy plane was in the safety deposit box, which hasn’t been established yet. Again, what she pulled out of the safety deposit box was too thin to have been the toy plane. If it was supposed to have been, there was a goof by the props department. ---
**Author:** ![biscuithead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@biscuithead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/biscuithead)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/116 "2005-05-12T18:19:10Z")
> [@Waenara](#): > > Canadian here - and yes, CFL said that someone took her baby. Then it cut to Claire holding her baby and looking all worried. > > Is there any reason why they have different teasers in the US and Canada? Does it air in other countries? Or are they delayed a few weeks or so and teasers aren’t used? The channel we watch last night - can’t remember which - has the show end with the with Canadian version of teaser for next week. Then suddenly there’s a glitch and we catch the end of some other tv show, and then Lost credits role for a second time and then see a second teaser. It’s not the first time it’s happened, but it is the first time we noticed two different teasers were played. Very wierd. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/117 "2005-05-12T18:19:22Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > 1. You say “…screenshots of Kate in a bikini…” like it’s a _bad_ thing! > > 2. As for extra-curricular boinking…maybe. I’d be more concerned about food, shelter, rescue, and the TCM than I would be about getting some action from an under-washed, under-shaved, roots-showing, same-clothes-for-the-last-month, no chocolate, no Midol, “It’s all your fault, you bastard!” survivor female. But ask again after **two** months! 😃 1. Tell me about it. :eek: 😉 2. Well, they have the food and water thing pretty licked. Everybody is nasty, which means (to them) nobody is nasty. There’s very little one can do in regards to a rescue in their situation, and the fact remains there’s very little to do on a deserted island - even if you golf. With 45-odd people around, most of them doing very little, I’d think that boredom would lead to at least _one_ sex act in that time! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/118 "2005-05-12T18:30:23Z")
> [@Fiver](#): > > Maybe they want Turniphead’s cord blood/ stem cells/ pristine immune system for some purpose related to curing the disease/ developing a vaccine? > > Likely? Unlikely? Someone come in here with an obscure factoid from a previous episode that rules this out. I agree, and I posted that theory right after the episode where Ethan kidnapped Claire. It seems like the island was used for some sort of biological experimentation and that things went wrong (eg, TCM). The hatch could very well be some sort of biohazard storage facility-- hence no way to open it from the outside, althugh the window is a bit odd. ---
**Author:** ![Plynck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Plynck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plynck)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/119 "2005-05-12T18:31:41Z")
I haven’t been following this thread through all the episodes, so apologies if this has been mentioned before. There is definitely an emphasis on “The Others”, but it became even more pronounced in the previews for next week’s show. In an earlier show when we first saw Ethan Rom, once I knew his role it didn’t take long to see that his name was an anagram for “Other Man”. I wonder if this will be mentioned, or if it will end up as trivia in the ubiquitous DVD collection. If Anna Madrigal shows up on the island, though, I’m gone… best to all, plynck ---
**Author:** ![Skipper\_Too](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Skipper\_Too](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skipper_Too)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/120 "2005-05-12T18:35:49Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > With 45-odd people around, most of them doing very little, I’d think that boredom would lead to at least _one_ sex act in that time! 😉 What about Shannon and Syaid on the beach with the torchlight the night Boone dies? So they didn’t show it but it was sure implied that there was more going on there than eating just dinner. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396.md?page=7)