# Lost 1.22: "Born to Run" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 11, 2005, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396 "2005-05-11T15:15:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Rich\_Mann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce73a5/32.png) [@Rich\_Mann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rich_Mann)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/141 "2005-05-13T06:45:05Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I’d have to go back and watch it to remember why I think this, but in my mind, it was established quite clearly that it was the plane that was in the box in the first (second?) Kate flashback episode. The one with the bank robbery. I just rewatched the scene in question, and the envelope in the safe deposit box definitely has an object the size and shape of the toy airplane in it. Subsequent scenes make it clear that it was. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/142 "2005-05-13T07:40:17Z")
> [@Odinoneeye](#): > > The bulge was missing from the envelope she took from the safety deposit box. [This bulge?](http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rmyers/caps/depositbox.jpg) > [@JohnT](#): > > After 35-odd days together, shouldn’t there be at least some pairing up and extra-curricular boinking going on? I say yes, the Mrs. sez no. What do y’all think? Why do you think we see the same 10-12 characters most of the time? Everybody else is off behind the bushes… > [@spoke-](#): > > As far as Jack knew, Kate was innocent, but he was still willing to leave her on the hook to take the blame for what Sun had done. He was probably willing to keep it a secret not so much for worry over Kate getting the blame, but to protect Sun from being even more shunned by her husband. ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/143 "2005-05-13T11:52:45Z")
I guess there’s a little bulge, but it still doesn’t seem big enough to be a toy plane. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/144 "2005-05-13T12:12:09Z")
> [@Rich Mann](#): > > I just rewatched the scene in question, and the envelope in the safe deposit box definitely has an object the size and shape of the toy airplane in it. Subsequent scenes make it clear that it was. I agree. I thought it was firmly established that the toy plane was in the safe-deposit box. That added to the mystery of why she would go to the trouble to robbing a bank just to get it. We were left with the questions of who it belonged to and why she wanted it. Was that the episode where she said " I killed the man I loved" ? ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/145 "2005-05-13T12:54:10Z")
> [@BiblioCat](#): > > Was that the episode where she said " I killed the man I loved" ? Yes, it was when Jack was asking her why the plane was so important. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/146 "2005-05-13T16:11:29Z")
> [@Odinoneeye](#): > > I guess there’s a little bulge, but it still doesn’t seem big enough to be a toy plane. Here are a few different shots so everybody can compare and make their own decision: - [Envelope in the safe deposit box](http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rmyers/caps/depositbox.jpg) - [Envelope being handed to Kate](http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rmyers/caps/envelope1.jpg) - [Envelope being opened by Kate](http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rmyers/caps/envelope2.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/147 "2005-05-13T16:14:57Z")
I can definitely see a bulge that could be the toy plane in that first photo, **Monstre** ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/148 "2005-05-13T17:19:06Z")
Man, are we overanalyzing this thing or what??? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/149 "2005-05-13T17:20:33Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Man, are we overanalyzing this thing or what??? 🙂 Obsession can be fun. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/150 "2005-05-13T17:23:32Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Man, are we overanalyzing this thing or what??? 🙂 Nah, we haven’t even started discussing what make & model of envelope & toy plane it was. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/151 "2005-05-13T17:51:36Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Nah, we haven’t even started discussing what make & model of envelope & toy plane it was. DC-3. National Envelope, #10 brown kraft envelope 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/152 "2005-05-13T18:50:54Z")
> [@Fiver](#): > > I can definitely see a bulge that could be the toy plane in that first photo, **Monstre** Oh, I agree. It’s Thor’s dad you’ve got to convince… 😉 Now if I were a gay man, I would come in and authoritatively say, “I know a bulge when I see one!” But since I’m not gay, I hereby give permission for somebody thusly qualified to use that joke, as long as I get royalties… ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/153 "2005-05-13T18:53:58Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > But since I’m not gay, I hereby give permission for somebody thusly qualified to use that joke, as long as I get royalties… Does it have to be a gay man? I can say it as a straight female, but it may not have the _oomph_ you were hoping for. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/154 "2005-05-13T18:55:07Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > Does it have to be a gay man? I can say it as a straight female, but it may not have the _oomph_ you were hoping for. 🙂 “I know a pair of bulges when I see one!” ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/155 "2005-05-13T19:04:34Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > DC-3 Yes, but what is the serial number of engine #2? So, if Kate was to get on the raft and they got picked up, to what lengths would she have gone to protect her identity? Was she going to smash the radio so that the ship couldn’t radio ahead that they had picked up survivors of Oceanic flight 815? Was she planning on killing the other lostaways before being picked up so that they couldn’t say where they came from and what her real name is? I’m thinking Kate is a professional assassin, a la Grosse Pointe Blank. She did a short stint in the military before being turned out by the CIA as a “wet” operator. Now she is a private contractor and that is why she has a vehicle set up with several different plates and she picks up her mail, payments, and assignments from hotel desk clerks. The letter aprising her of her mother’s condition was sent by her handler. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/156 "2005-05-13T19:32:33Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > Does it have to be a gay man? I can say it as a straight female, but it may not have the _oomph_ you were hoping for. 🙂 Perhaps if I just sent you my picture… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/157 "2005-05-13T19:49:56Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > The letter aprising her of her mother’s condition was sent by her handler. … said handler being really, really bad at his job. I have to admit that I was thinking it would not be healthful for the other three guys if Kate was on the raft. Otherwise, we’re talking another Prancing Pony situation if they get rescued. “Kate? Oh, yeah, Kate, she’s right over there…” ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2005, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/158 "2005-05-13T23:41:40Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > Yes, but what is the serial number of engine #2? R-1830-90-92-88-15 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2005, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/159 "2005-05-14T00:27:14Z")
I think Kate is, by far, the most dangerous person on the island (aside from the “others” maybe). Jack should have listened to the marshall!! She’s the very definition of “femme fatale!” Yeah, I’d still do her… ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2005, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396/160 "2005-05-14T16:37:07Z")
> [@Cuckoorex](#): > > I think Kate is, by far, the most dangerous person on the island (aside from the “others” maybe). Jack should have listened to the marshall!! She’s the very definition of “femme fatale!” > > Yeah, I’d still do her… Yep, and she’s certainly the sneakiest. Of course, now we know she’s had years of practice, evading the law, going around in disguise and with various license plates. And yeah, I’d still do her, too. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-22-born-to-run/303396.md?page=9)