# Lost 1.23 "Exodus, Part One" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 18, 2005, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420 "2005-05-18T15:37:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/261 "2005-05-20T17:14:52Z")
> [@Fiver](#): > > Clearly, the jet used for Oceanic Flight 815 is not an L-1011, because it was used in a way we know an L-1011 cannot be used. > > But an L-1011 _played_ the non-L-1011 used in the show. And auditions must have been a bitch… “Okay, next up, a 747.” “Okay, let’s see what you’ve got. Crash for me. Crash for me! C’mon, break apart like you **mean** it!” “NEXT!” ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/262 "2005-05-20T17:38:50Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > England used several different dumping grounds for prisoners, including Georgia when it was a colony. A common misconception. Georgia was _conceived_ by [James Oglethorpe](http://www.sip.armstrong.edu/Oglethorpe/Essay.html) as a haven for the most industrious among the heavily indebted, including those recently released from _debtors’_ prison. But according to [this site](http://www.ourgeorgiahistory.com/history101/gahistory03.html), no actual prisoners were among the initial group of colonists: > [@](#): > > The colony of Georgia was truly the vision of James Edward Oglethorpe. His plan to use the new colony as a haven for people in debtors prison grew out of his committee work while a member of Parliament. Although Oglethorpe did not conceive the idea, he did seize it and attempted to act upon it. **However, by the time he received the charter for Georgia (June 9, 1732) Oglethorpe had dropped his plan to use debtors and hand-selected the 116 men and women who would travel to South Carolina on The Ann**. Even in its conception, Georgia was founded for deadbeats, not hardened criminals. Speaking of which, can anybody lend me $20? I can repay you on Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/263 "2005-05-20T17:58:27Z")
If you want to know who took Claire’s baby… go [here](http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index.html), to video gallery and you can see a scene from the finale. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/264 "2005-05-20T18:10:28Z")
> [@Fiver](#): > > But an L-1011 _played_ the non-L-1011 used in the show. Okay, that was pretty funny! 😃 Methinks I need to pull back a bit from this show. At one point I was calculating air velocities of various planes, and trying to figure out if the pilot meant 1000 miles or 1000 _nautical_ miles. Too much free time + mildly obsessive personality make Homer something something. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/265 "2005-05-20T18:42:36Z")
> [@spoke-](#): > > A common misconception. Well, at least my misconception was common. Nothing worse than an uncommon misconception. 🙂 I stand corrected! ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/266 "2005-05-20T18:46:09Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Well, at least my misconception was common. Nothing worse than an uncommon misconception. 🙂 I stand corrected! If it makes you feel any better, I’m a Georgia native and I didn’t know the part in boldface either. ---
**Author:** ![Airblairxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Airblairxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airblairxxx)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/267 "2005-05-20T19:05:25Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > For that matter, how did Sawyer get on the plane? Did the Aussie authorities let him fly with his forged passport? They must have, because Hurley didn’t know his real name - only the name on the manifest. > [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > As he is an experienced con-man, I’m guessing that Sawyer had a fake identity that would fool anyone without a DNA test or fingerprint records. Ooh, loophole here! (I just watched the episode last night.) The Aussie police DID know his real name, James Ford. They had his complete criminal record when they spoke to him. So if the manifest did have his fake name, and not his real name (I’m asking because I can’t remember definitively), how? Especially since he was immediately deported following the conversation with the cops. Also, it looks like ABC has cleaned up the synopsis that you all are quoting. The one I’m reading [here](http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/23.html) doesn’t have the paragraphs you’re citing. Damn! FWIW, elsewhere on the ABC website is a diary that has been frequently mentioned in these threads. I don’t know if this has already been revealed, but I understand that the identity of the diary writer has been a mystery; the page [currently displayed on the website](http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary.html) discloses who the diary belongs to. (And I haven’t heard of a castaway by that name.) Other observations of mine: –The scratches on CFL’s arm looked like claw marks, not fingernail scratches. Possibly from . . . a polar bear? –Whoever said that the DVDs should be released on August 15, full kudos to you, sir or ma’am! I just got that. –Acclaim must also go to the composer of the music playing as the raft set sail. I watched that scene three times . . . wow, did that music ever fit the scene. Stirring, hopeful, yet understated. –The TCM (POG?) became less . . . comprehensible with this episode. In the pilot, it kills the, well, pilot of the plane. Later on we see Locke stare it down, which reminded me of _Jurassic Park_–stay still and the T Rex can’t see you. Now it’s a security system? You punch in four digits into the keypad and it goes away? I had hoped it would prove to be one of the central threats of the island, yet we’ve gone 22 episodes since it last are anyone. –I don’t think this deserves a spoiler tag, but Dan Roebuck, who plays Arzt, has been announced as a new member of the regular cast. So I don’t think he’s going anywhere. Too bad that every time I look at him, I think “Man, that Jay Leno has really let himself go!” –Speaking of redshirts, it would be nice if the producers could plan for these things, so that we would see a recognizable actor in the (rare) crowd shots, yet he wouldn’t have any speaking lines for a season or two. But that’s too much to ask. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/268 "2005-05-20T19:15:35Z")
I just remembered… there’s a point in the episode when Jack’s on the beach and there are a couple dozen people circled around him, and he says, “I know what you’re thinking…” and my thought was, “who the hell are all these people?” ---
**Author:** ![rainy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@rainy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rainy)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/269 "2005-05-20T20:16:45Z")
> [@spoke-](#): > > Speaking of which, can anybody lend me $20? I can repay you on Tuesday. Dammit, spoke, you beat me to the punchline. -rainy ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/270 "2005-05-20T22:12:39Z")
> [@Airblairxxx](#): > > The scratches on CFL’s arm looked like claw marks, not fingernail scratches. Possibly from . . . a polar bear? The writers wouldn’t have put it in there if it was a scratch from a bush (would they? :)), but that would be one tiny polar bear if that was the cause. Looked more like what you’d get from a house cat. ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/271 "2005-05-20T22:23:31Z")
> [@Airblairxxx](#): > > –The scratches on CFL’s arm looked like claw marks, not fingernail scratches. Possibly from . . . a polar bear? Nope… they’re definitely fingernail scratches. ---
**Author:** ![Antigen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Antigen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antigen)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/272 "2005-05-20T22:51:43Z")
> [@Flutterby](#): > > If you want to know who took Claire’s baby… go [here](http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index.html), to video gallery and you can see a scene from the finale. Why did I watch? Curse my weak will! ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/273 "2005-05-20T22:56:32Z")
I’m weak too, which is why I had to share. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/274 "2005-05-20T23:14:05Z")
> [@Flutterby](#): > > I’m weak too, which is why I had to share. 😛 You…are evil. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/275 "2005-05-20T23:16:46Z")
> [@tanstaafl](#): > > Could it possibly have been a prison ship headed for Australia? Would they have sailed around South America and across the Pacific or around Africa and across the Indian Ocean? (When did England quit using Australia as a prison colony?) They went via the Indian Ocean. You don’t sail around Cape Horn unless you have to, is my understanding - particularly from east to west. If the transportation of prisoners ended in 1852, I expect that the Black Rock could fit into the time frame. I’m not sufficiently knowledgeable to narrow down any further than 19th century, and it’s possible that even if the stern design would narrow it down further that the props folks just goofed. For all I know it’s supposed to be a 16th century carrack, and they just got it completely wrong. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2005, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/276 "2005-05-20T23:46:44Z")
> [@Antigen](#): > > Why did I watch? Curse my weak will! Can you spoil it for me? I couldn’t get the video galery to work for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2005, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/277 "2005-05-21T01:26:40Z")
I can’t make it work either, nor can I find a link for “install ABC video player.” ☹ ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2005, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/278 "2005-05-21T01:31:32Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Can you spoil it for me? I couldn’t get the video galery to work for some reason. The CFL got the scratches from Claire when Claire was in captivity. Claire remembers this and confronts the CFL and the next thing we see, Sun finds Claire waking up from a head bashing and the baby is missing. ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2005, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/279 "2005-05-21T01:58:11Z")
> [@Odinoneeye](#): > > Oh, and there’s a shot where they’re standing around and Hurley is next to Shannon. She (without looking at him) pulls her jacket around herself covering her bare skin. > > Was Hurley trying to sneak a peek? He’s a man, isn’t he? (Speaking as a man.) ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2005, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/280 "2005-05-21T05:44:46Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > You…are evil. Why thank you, I try my best. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420.md?page=15)