# Lost 1.23 "Exodus, Part One" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 18, 2005, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420 "2005-05-18T15:37:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/141 "2005-05-19T17:43:29Z")
> [@ElectricZ](#): > > There was a similar scene of Kate looking around before heading out into the Jungle. Was she looking for Sawyer to say goodbye? Or judging her chances of maybe replacing him at the last second on the raft? She asked Jin and Michael if they had seen Sawyer before they left, and I got the impression that Sawyer was looking for Kate before they pushed off. > [@randwill](#): > > Speaking of islands, I see no one, so far, has commented on my question about whether or not where they are is really an island… I don’t think they’ve walked completely around the island. So it is plausible they are stuck on a peninsula and just haven’t realized it… but people have done quite a bit of nosing around so probably not. > [@John Mace](#): > > Interesting, but the poen is about an actual rock, not a ship. No? Reading it over again… it does appear to be speaking about an actual rock _OFF the long headland, threshed about by round-backed breakers, There is a black rock, standing high at the full tide; Off the headland there is emptiness, And the moaning of the ocean, And the black rock standing alone._ but in some ways it could be interpreted as a ship, or just the rock looks a lot like a ship. What exactly were Boone and Shannon arguing about? I had to take something out of the oven so I missed the part just before they went up the escalator and Shannon told the guard about Sayid’s bag. ---
**Author:** ![belladonna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@belladonna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/belladonna)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/142 "2005-05-19T17:44:36Z")
Lady Venom: Arzt, Jack, Kate and Danielle take off running. Danielle leads them to the banyan trees. Locke and Hurley stood their ground, with Hurley itching to run but Locke telling him to “just stand still”. Locke seemed pretty confident that the TCM wouldn’t get them, and he was proven right as the sound of it’s movement faded away. That scene made me think Locke has been close to the TCM before. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/143 "2005-05-19T17:45:09Z")
> [@Skipper Too](#): > > I don’t think the numbers were part of the hatch, in the numbers episode the numbers appeared to be etched into the concrete structure of the radio tower that is the source of the French Womans transmission, and before CFL changed the message, the source of the number’s transmission I’m pretty sure it was the hatch, unless there are other hatches and similar structures elsewhere on the island. Here are a few shots from the scene at the end of “Numbers”. First one is the beginning of the scene – the farthest zoomout you get. The next two are shots from the zooming in on the numbers. I’ve put two little arrows on the pics as a frame of reference – there are two little black blotches on the rim of the structure that the numbers appear between (the underline is where the numbers are: [Start](http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rmyers/caps/numbers1.jpg) [Zooming](http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rmyers/caps/numbers2.jpg) [Numbers visible](http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~rmyers/caps/numbers3.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/144 "2005-05-19T17:45:44Z")
> [@spoke-](#): > > Arzt is German for “physician,” no? (Didn’t one of the castaways refer to the character as “Doc?”) He called himself a doctor, but when Sawyer retorted that he was a “high school science teacher,” he didn’t argue the point. So my working assumption is that he holds a PhD but is working at a (prestigious?) high school instead of a college. Which begs the question: why was an American schoolteacher in Australia on September 22nd? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/145 "2005-05-19T17:46:21Z")
Well, Arzt’s first name is Leslie, which means “dweller in the grey castle” or “small meadow.” Hmmmm…not much help there. I’m betting he is MonsterChow by the end of next week’s episode. ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/146 "2005-05-19T17:48:42Z")
> [@Fiver](#): > > Richard Hatch (CFL didn’t know about it after 16 years!) Well, in all fairness. Didn’t Locke just stumble across it? It was buried, and even hanging around on the island for 16 years you could have easily missed something that was buried that deeply. ---
**Author:** ![VunderBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/839c29/32.png) [@VunderBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VunderBob)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/147 "2005-05-19T17:57:11Z")
> [@Flutterby](#): > > Well, in all fairness. Didn’t Locke just stumble across it? It was buried, and even hanging around on the island for 16 years you could have easily missed something that was buried that deeply. Actually, Boone found it… ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/148 "2005-05-19T17:57:34Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Speaking of islands, I see no one, so far, has commented on my question about whether or not where they are is really an island… I asked this, and got it on the list of “Lost Questions,” but as noted we concluded from CFL’s map that she seemed to have more information about the location and could draw it with at least reasonable accuracy. However, now, with the “security system” reference, and the preview line of Locke’s suggesting that “the island” itself brought them there, I’m starting to wonder, even if it’s _shaped_ like an island, if that’s actually what it is. So far, it seems to me we’ve been taking the body of land for granted, and have been trying to figure out what’s _on_ it. I mean, correct me if I’m wrong, but amid all the rampant speculation up to this point (they’re in purgatory! they’re in an experiment! etc.), I’m not sure I’ve ever seen “they’ve been drawn in by a huge predatory being that camoflages itself as a land mass!” or something similar proposed as an explanation. 🙂 Re the episode: That black smoke on the horizon was certainly a hair-raiser, wasn’t it? Part of me can’t wait for next week, but another part of me doesn’t want it to come, because then we’ll have to wait all summer. Holy cow, what a show. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/149 "2005-05-19T17:58:46Z")
> [@VunderBob](#): > > Actually, Boone found it… No, it was both of them. Locke tossed a flashlight to Boone, who missed the catch, and they both heard the metallic thud when it hit the hatch. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/150 "2005-05-19T17:59:23Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Re the episode: That black smoke on the horizon was certainly a hair-raiser, wasn’t it? Kinda makes you wonder what they were burning, doesn’t it? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/151 "2005-05-19T18:00:29Z")
> [@belladonna](#): > > That scene made me think Locke has been close to the TCM before. He looked it right in the eye in the fourth or fifth episode, actually. Just one of many things he knows that he isn’t telling anyone. ---
**Author:** ![shadowfax33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@shadowfax33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shadowfax33)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/152 "2005-05-19T18:03:42Z")
> [@ElectricZ](#): > > And Sawyer just redeemed himself for all the bad blood he’s stirred up on the island. First reconciling with Jack, and then bringing a new mast to patch things up with Jin and Michael. There was a very short but telling shot of Sawyer watching the other castaways hug and wish the other raft-riders luck – and no one approached him. He may be realizing how much he pushes people away. > EZ I agree that this was something of a redemption show for Sawyer–and it was done plausibly, IMO, without changing his character too much. As the raft is about to sail, Charlie approaches Sawyer with the bottle of messages and hands it to him. No hug, but I interpreted the gesture as a sign of some acceptance and/or respect. Those messages are doubtless pretty darned important to the people who wrote them, and Charlie is entrusting them to Sawyer. Nice moment. And Jack giving Sawyer the gun speaks volumes, too. I think that many of our castaways recognize that Sawyer has some good in him–kinda like Darth Vader! (Sorry, I’m going to see Ep. III this weekend, and I’m way too excited.) I know I’m the umpteenth person to say this, but I loved, loved, loved the Sawyer/Jack scene. I’ve never exactly been on the Jack bandwagon; his character seemed a little too forced to me, and I tend to prefer antiheroes to the more “typical” heroes. But Jack played this scene perfectly, and Sawyer was just fine, too (double entendre intended) 😉 . I sure hope this show gets some Emmy nods for the actors! Jack, Jin, Locke, and Sun in particular are great. And Sawyer needs his own show, where he chops bamboo while shirtless. All the time. Dayum. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![belladonna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9fc29f/32.png) [@belladonna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/belladonna)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/153 "2005-05-19T18:04:04Z")
Was it definitely the TCM Locke saw in that early episode though? It’s been a while, but I thought the thing he saw wasn’t making nearly as much of a ruckus as the TCM usually does. I’d assumed it was something else, especially since he called it “beautiful” later. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/154 "2005-05-19T18:12:25Z")
> [@Fiver](#): > > He called himself a doctor, but when Sawyer retorted that he was a “high school science teacher,” he didn’t argue the point. And he said something about “a bunch of ninth-graders” who would agree with something or other, implying that he was a ninth-grade teacher. As for the island thing, the way I figure it is they’re either on an island or a continent. I mean, what other options are there? They know there’s a severe lack of continents in the South Pacific, therefore, by process of elimination, it’s an island. Now how large an island it is, well, that’s open to speculation. I think it’s interesting with the black/white thing that’s been going on that the Others are clearly associated with black, with the Black Rock and now the black smoke. ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/155 "2005-05-19T18:17:03Z")
Well if Danielle’s estimates can be relied upon, the island is at least 5 km wide. She says the black smoke was 5km inland which implies that the island is even bigger than that, but I guess it could have been on the other side of the island. Or her estimates are just way off. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/156 "2005-05-19T18:34:16Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Smeghead: > And he said something about “a bunch of ninth-graders” who would agree with something or other, implying that he was a ninth-grade teacher. That is high school age, at least around here. Still doesn’t explain why he was in Australia during the school year, though. Maybe a teacher exchange program? > [@shadowfax33](#): > > IAnd Sawyer needs his own show, where he chops bamboo while shirtless. All the time. Dayum. 😃 You can have Sawyer. I’d rather watch a shirtless Jin building a raft. All the time. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/157 "2005-05-19T18:35:21Z")
I christen this raft…the S.S. Sausage Fest. Have fun staring at Sawyer with no shirt carrying a big pole while we hang out here on the island with the hot chicks…jerks! Cruel ironic joke - the “Other” are really a bikini clad Bicardi promotion team of hot Swedeish girls. “For vhy no one come to our campfire…ya?” ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/158 "2005-05-19T18:45:59Z")
Episode title: Exodus. Who is Moses in this group? Joshua? Pharoah? This marks the 40th day on the island, btw. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/159 "2005-05-19T18:52:05Z")
Well, Walt is Moses, and I’m going to nominate Locke for Pharoh, since he’s rather enamored of The Island. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2005, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-23-exodus-part-one/304420/160 "2005-05-19T18:54:26Z")
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