# Lost 1.24/1.25: "Exodus, Part Two" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 24, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300 "2005-05-24T18:25:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/181 "2005-05-26T11:42:07Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > Well, I’m going to be the one to say it: the Emperor isn’t wearing any clothes. I think you’re just too impatient. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/182 "2005-05-26T11:42:35Z")
> [@remisser](#): > > two things that I found funny about the scene with Walt in the airport… 1) the gameboy advance sp game he was playing was emitting old school atari sounds (which that game doesn’t sound like at all… heh) 2) He says he needs new batteries for his gameboy advance sp which doesn’t have a battery compartment you open – just a rechargeable battery you need to plug in. 🙂 My son caught that part about the battery. He also has a GBA SP, and he said you don’t need new batteries, you just recharge the one you got. Question about the Black Rock and geography…a slave ship patrolled the _east_ side of Africa? I thought all slavers went to the west coast. It was closer to America and you didn’t have to round that pesky Cape of Good Hope. Please set me straight if I’ve got that wrong. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/183 "2005-05-26T11:44:33Z")
I also don’t think we’re going to junk this cast and pick up from the beginning with the tail section survivors. Unless TPTB have some sort of weird contract with the actors, paying them to work one year and cool their heels the next, I think they’ll eventually find them. As Sawyer pointed out, it is a big island. ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/184 "2005-05-26T12:02:35Z")
Two things I caught that I forgot to post last time. 1. Did you notice that Sawyer doesn’t know Hurley’s real name, yet Locke does? 2. Hurley found the numbers on the hatch the exact same way that Boone and Locke found the hatch in the first place. (A flashlight drops, there’s a sound of metal clinking and then the discovery). In fact, I can’t think of any other use of flashlights in the series except at these two moments. They normally use torches. My guess is that CFL didn’t start the black smoke. It doesn’t make any sense unless she was trying to lure the Others there. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/185 "2005-05-26T12:35:29Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > BTW, did anybody else catch the commercial where they were saying something about showing a missing scene (sounded like a deleted scene from tonight’s episode) on Good Morning America tomorrow? > > Well, in case you didn’t catch that… > > They are showing a missing scene from tonight’s episode on Good Morning America tomorrow. 😃 Yeah, and the voiceover said something to the effect of “the producers just couldn’t fit it in.” Um. . .Couldn’t you have taken 60 seconds out of the 25 minutes you took getting Hurley on the plane? Just stupid cross-promotion BS to garner ratings for their morning show. Pig pile on **LittleNemo**. The writers and producers have already expressed their desire to avoid “Twins Peaks” syndrome. Have a little patience. They’ve been working for weeks on getting the hatch open. They’re not going to reveal what’s inside of it yet. We already saw Hurley flip out when he saw the numbers. I think the “pandora’s box” theory is definitely coming into focus. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/186 "2005-05-26T12:47:49Z")
My WAG on Charlie is that the statue is a red herring. We know from his flashbacks that he was a religious person, so I’m betting he just took the statue as a symbol, and there won’t be any heroin in it at all. Although, speaking as a recovering alcoholic (10+ years), if I was only a couple of weeks into recovery and I found a plane loaded with liquor, I’m pretty sure I would have caved. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/187 "2005-05-26T12:53:58Z")
> [@remisser](#): > > Someone in this thread said that they knew to shoot at Sawyer because when he was jumping up and down celebrating prematurely, they might have been able to see the gun… but it was still dark and it’d be hard to spot the gun with the spotlight on them from a distance… perhaps she was able to sense the gun and knew he’d shoot. It was one of the men that shot him, the crafts were right next to each when Sawyer did his gun reveal, the spotlight was right on him, they were close enough to leap over and grab Walt. So yeah, that’s how they knew to shoot Sawyer. It was in plain sight from up close. BTW, the black smoke was a burning tire, a big one, too. From our flight? Or another airplane? ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/188 "2005-05-26T12:57:29Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > I’ll admit I didn’t actually watch much of _Twin Peaks_ when it was on the air and I certainly can’t claim to have followed the plot. I was commenting more on the way it went from being an incredible phenomenon with fans obsessively dissecting every word and gesture for clues to a show that was cancelled a few months later for a complete lack of interest. Some shows are like that - the television equivalent of Dutch tulip mania. In my opinion, _Lost_ is one the verge of taking that fall. > > Consider these questions that we’ve been asking all year: Why did the plane crash? Why did these people survive? What’s the deal with the polar bear? What’s the thing smashing the trees? Who are the other people on the island? What are Walt’s powers? What gave Locke back the ability to walk? Who were Adam and Eve? What killed the French expedition? What do the numbers mean? What’s inside the hatch? None of these have been answered. How will you feel if next May, you’re watching the second season finale and all of them are still unanswered? Personally, I don’t care. And I’m the one keeping track of the mysteries. You can focus on the destination if you want, but I’m enjoying the journey. There’s another show that “Lost” is often compared to. The X-Files. That show also crapped out on us as far as answers are concerned. But here’s the thing - even up through the third or fourth season it was still a good show. You are complaining about just one season. So, how will I feel if they answer nothing by the end of season two? If they keep up this quality of writing, suspence, character development, humor and action, then I’ll feel just fine, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![drewcosten](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@drewcosten](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewcosten)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/189 "2005-05-26T12:57:36Z")
Does anyone think perhaps the survivors from the tail section of the plane set the fire as a distress signal and it just confused the CFL? It did look sort of like a burning tire and wouldn’t that produce black smoke? Or perhaps the Others just wanted a distraction to get Walt off the island so they could capture him easier. ---
**Author:** ![shadowfax33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@shadowfax33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shadowfax33)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/190 "2005-05-26T13:33:24Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > My WAG on Charlie is that the statue is a red herring. We know from his flashbacks that he was a religious person, so I’m betting he just took the statue as a symbol, and there won’t be any heroin in it at all. No way. Did you see the look on his face? That’s one hobbit who is going to have a drug problem again really soon. BTW, after seeing several posters here theorize that the person who threw the explosive on the raft was Alex, I checked that scene on my DVR this morning. It is indeed a blonde woman throwing the explosive, but she looks too old to be Alex, IMO. She looked to be 30-something to me. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/191 "2005-05-26T13:36:50Z")
> [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > Err, “tamping the dynamite”? Would you care to explain? Easy way to see the effect of tamping (not recommended as an experiment!!) Place a firecracker on the back of your hand. Light it. The damage to the back of your hand will be slight…some skin removed, a small burn, and that’s it. Now, take an identical firecracker, and hold in in your clenched fist. Light. Loose fingers. Without something to direct the force of the explosion in the right direction, you lose most of the shattering effect of the explosion. Witness the “boom” again, and you will see that the blast goes everywhere. This is also bad FX, but it also shows that the explosives were better off tamped. However, by placing the sticks on all three sides of the hinge, they **might** get enough “oomph” to do the job…maybe. On other things: I think this show is as far from \*\*Twin Peaks \*\* as is possible. They answered just enough questions to sate, without answering the biggies. Everybody is situated for next season, and they left us with plenty to speculate about. As for the “previous encounter with the black mist”…I’ll have to tape the repeat of the 1st episode and see for myself. I don’t trust blog entries…they are too easy to Photoshop. Best line of the episode - Danielle: “Are you on the same island I am?” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Plynck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Plynck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plynck)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/192 "2005-05-26T13:43:59Z")
> [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > …12. Alfred Nobel lived from 1833 to 1896. Is it remotely possible that a ship could be carrying slaves and his invention, dynamite? Thanks for questioning this. When I saw that they were sticks of dynamite, I wondered where this would put the age of the ship. I believe that earlier posts identified this as a frigate from the 19th century. Technically, Nobel invented the detanator for dynamite (bolding mine): _[In 1863, Swedish industrialist Alfred Nobel invented the Nobel patent detonator (later used with dynamite) which detonated nitroglycerin **(invented by Italian chemist Ascanio Sobrero in 1846)** using a strong shock rather than heat combustion. In 1865, the Nobel Company built the first factory for producing nitroglycerin and later dynamite.](http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bldynamite.htm)_ So, I don’t think that it’s inconsistent for this dynamite to have come from the ship. Although that is MIGHTY old dynamite. I nominate Hurley as MVP for this episode. The best lines, without a doubt. I felt that this was about 1 1/2 hours of an episode, with about 1/2 hour of airport filler material, which likewise makes me wonder why this “Secret Minute” couldn’t have been inserted. I don’t think that there was that much exposition of what we didn’t already know. Although it was nice to see it proven that it was Hurley’s comic book. I think that it is far too early to find fault with this series. Abrams has a way of pulling rabbit after rabbit out of his hat. When they start coming from lower in the anatomy, then it’s time for the knives to come out. best to all, plynck ---
**Author:** ![ElectricZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/58f4c7/32.png) [@ElectricZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElectricZ)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/193 "2005-05-26T14:18:08Z")
> [@SmackFu](#): > > I agree with Little Nemo. I keep trying to give this show a chance, and it never delivers any satisfaction. This was the season finale, there should have been a little tiny bit of resolution. I agree it will be tough for the writers of the show to come up with something that will satisfy the imaginations of everyone watching the show, but even if the mystery behind the island turns out to be something mundane, I won’t be disappointed. The characters and their interactions are what got me hooked on Lost. Locke vs. Jack. Shannon vs. Boone. Sun vs. Jin. Jin vs. Michael. Sawyer vs. Everybody. For me watching these people’s stories unfold has been as interesting as what’s happening on the island itself… In fact, the events on the island to me are just a catalyst to get these interesting people to bump heads. So as long as the characters and what they do remain interesting, the show will be interesting. All just my $.02 of course! EZ ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/194 "2005-05-26T14:34:40Z")
I agree. It’s the characters that make this happen. I would watch even if there were no mysteries. Just the interactions between the survivors is enough to be fascinating. ---
**Author:** ![Improv\_Geek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/195 "2005-05-26T14:35:15Z")
> [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > p.s. Helluva capsule description of Locke, **ronincyberpunk**. Why thank you ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/196 "2005-05-26T14:44:23Z")
> [@ElectricZ](#): > > I agree it will be tough for the writers of the show to come up with something that will satisfy the imaginations of everyone watching the show, but even if the mystery behind the island turns out to be something mundane, I won’t be disappointed. I think that will be the big conflict next season…the theme of the season, if you will. Jack will be of the opinion that there is a scientific, explainable, mundane explanation for everything, and eventually hearing of the people who kidnapped Walt will confirm that in his mind. He’ll link the tunnels beneath the hatch with the “monster” and start thinking it’s some kind of mechanical trap that moves through the tunnels and that evil humans are the ones behind it all. Locke, OTOH, will be of the opinion that the Island is an instrument of destiny and that it has a purpose for all of them. He’ll try to convince them that The Others are a seperate thing from the seemingly supernatural events that are happening. Myself, I think that, if we DO get an eventual answer, it will involve something about the island being a crashed spaceship and the Others being separate from it. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/197 "2005-05-26T14:47:00Z")
The hidden scene was so revealing … It said … thump ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/198 "2005-05-26T14:47:13Z")
Just where is this island? Because that was one small boat that the putative “others” were in (but too big to be a dinghy or tender off a larger vessel). Didn’t look much bigger than a day fishing boat. The kind of boat I’d expect to see within 10-15 miles of a port, but not in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Re: The Black Rock. How does a large sailing vessel end up (apparently) several miles inland and intact? Or even several hundred feet inland? ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/199 "2005-05-26T14:58:05Z")
> [@Trunk](#): > > Yeah, and the voiceover said something to the effect of “the producers just couldn’t fit it in.” > > Um. . .Couldn’t you have taken 60 seconds out of the 25 minutes you took getting Hurley on the plane? Just stupid cross-promotion BS to garner ratings for their morning show. No doubt. Although I taped it and just now used the power of fast-forward to find it without having to watch the rest of the crap. and the result is… Feh. It’s just the scene from Exodus Part 1 that we noticed in LAST WEEK’s thread, which they had written up in the [Episode Summary](http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/episodes/2004-05/23.html), but that didn’t actually appear in the aired episode. This one: > [@](#): > > Charlie and Claire watch Rousseau from a distance and worry. Charlie does his best to comfort the girl he cares so much for, but it’s an uphill battle. Claire tells Charlie that, when she escaped from Ethan – however she got away – she knew they would come back for her. Charlie realizes something. “Is that why you haven’t named the baby?” Claire’s eyes fill with tears, but remain firmly fixed on Rousseau. She nods her answer. If anybody else taped Good Morning You Assholes and cares enough to find it, it’s a segment that is about 50 minutes into the show. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/200 "2005-05-26T15:02:12Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > Just where is this island? Because that was one small boat that the putative “others” were in (but too big to be a dinghy or tender off a larger vessel). Didn’t look much bigger than a day fishing boat. The kind of boat I’d expect to see within 10-15 miles of a port, but not in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Since the Others have that boat… they must also have either: 1. a way to get back to a “mainland” whenever they want 2. a stockpile of gasoline 3. a refinery to make gasoline, and the ability to drill for crude oil. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300.md?page=11)