# Lost 1.24/1.25: "Exodus, Part Two" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 24, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300 "2005-05-24T18:25:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/361 "2005-06-01T02:05:30Z")
Hmm…regarding the numbers and all, riddle me this… How many castaways from Oceanic are left? Has our number stabilized at…42? CFL plus Boat People seems to add up to…4? I know that this is a one-in-a-billion theory…but if we end up with 8, 15, 16, or 23 people left from the rear of the plane, well? -Joe, insane ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/362 "2005-06-01T02:11:08Z")
Nope. There were 4 people on the boat. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/363 "2005-06-01T03:34:18Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Nope. There were 4 people on the boat. Hmm…okay, just plain Boat People and not Boat People Minus Danielle, then. Besides that single character’s guess, do we have any reason to believe it’s actually a slave ship and not an Australia-Bound prison ship? Also, is there any way to find out if the dynamite was already on the ship or if Danielle put it there? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/364 "2005-06-01T11:47:48Z")
I think it was mentioned a few pages back, but the Pilot episode will be on tonight, 10:00 pm (Eastern). I only saw it that one time back in September, so I’m dying to watch again and pick up any new clues. ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/365 "2005-06-01T11:56:09Z")
What about Boat People minus Ethan? That’d make four. ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/366 "2005-06-01T12:25:05Z")
Couple of thoughts. 1. Martin could have lost his arm in the Dark Territory “where it all began” – either because he was placing the dynamite inside The Black Rock presumably for storage, or removing some resulting in an explosive mishap like Arzt, only with less fatal results. Also, what exactly happened at the ship that infected her team? Is there a connection to The Black Rock and the buried hatch? 2. The Black Rock as a mid-1850s slaver represents an anachronism given the presence of dynamite aboard. But if they were truly contemporaneous, that means 1) someone in the late 1800s needed African slave labor after slavery was banned or 2) the ship was merely used as storage some years after it was wrecked or 3) there’s a possible element of time-travel involved. Also, where did the Black Rock originate from, and where was she bound? Is there a ship’s log? 3. Oceanic 815, bound for America from Austrailia, crashes miles off-course with survivors. The pilot was killed by the tree crushing monster / security system. Rousseau’s scientific team crashes on the island. Did whoever captain that craft survive or did the TCM/SS kill him? The Nigerian-light aircraft crashes, with at least one casualty, survivors unknown. Was the dead Nigerian smuggler the pilot? The body was left in the trees to die, like the pilot of Oceanic 815. The Black Rock runs aground, miles inland. Did the captain of that ship survive or was it, too, killed by the the TCM/SS? ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/367 "2005-06-01T12:47:01Z")
Strange thought. With all this discussion of time travel or shifting, two things occur to me. 1. When told that the radio signal had been repeating for 16 years, Danielle says, “Has it been that long?” Maybe it hasn’t for her. Although admittedly she didn’t seem that shocked like she only through it was a couple weeks. 2. The woman on the boat who threw the dynamite could have been Alex and still in her 40s. If time shifts around on the island, it’s certainly possible. Anybody remember “The Fantastic Journey” that show with Roddy McDowell about an island that existed in different time periods? ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/368 "2005-06-01T13:17:53Z")
If time does shift around on different points on the island – well, there’s the built-in rationale for Walt’s “accelerated” aging right there. ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/369 "2005-06-01T13:28:22Z")
**Odinoneye.** Wow. This is from TV’s Tome’s first episode description of Fantastic Journey. There’s a lot of overlap with parts of ‘Lost.’ A group of scientists sailing the Caribbean are shipwrecked after entering a strange green mist. They do not know the island they are stranded and cannot explain why the land holds all kinds of different plants and animals that don’t belong together (its like being in a zoo) two of the group tried to get to the shipping lanes in a small dingy to flag down help but died in the attempt they washed a shore the next day. Unknown to the rest of the group they were being watched by an Indian and when they traveled inland the Indian followed. when the Indian made himself know it was to fix a broken arm of the Capt. then lead the group to a cave for shelter where the group found a mummy and hieroglyphic’s that don’t belong together and also looked freshly painted that morning the Indian left as the group slept but young Scott woke and followed learning that he wasn’t an Indian but a man from the 23rd century named Varian and he explained about the island and how he crashed here himself meanwhile 3 of the group Fred, Capt. Ben and Jill were being captured by strange what appear to be sixteenth century privateers, who still believe it is the sixteenth century. Scott’s father Paul and Eve met up with Varian and Scott and work out a rescue plan Capt. Ben died from a snake bite while trying to take some of treasure with him but the rest escaped and started to head east and hopefully home. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/370 "2005-06-01T13:54:23Z")
Why do different groups want different children? Ethan and Danielle were after Aaron, not Walt. But the Boat People made it very clear that Walt was their target. Why? ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/371 "2005-06-01T14:05:47Z")
Ok, on this show, there’s a lot of what ifs and maybes, but here’s my take on that. Danielle wanted Aaron because she thought that’s who the Others wanted. She was going to trade him for Alex. When she got to the smoke, the Others weren’t there. Now the boat people wanted Walt, if they are the Others, that means Danielle was wrong. We don’t know enough about Ethan to understand his motives. First of all, he kidnapped Claire, so maybe he wanted Claire for some reason and not the baby. Maybe Ethan is an independent, like Danielle, and also thought the Others wanted the baby and has some reason to want to get on their good graces. Maybe it’s something totally different. ---
**Author:** ![Plynck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Plynck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plynck)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/372 "2005-06-01T14:06:38Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > The fun comments on the script page are Abram’s “NO! NOT YET!!” The script makes reference to a Mapinguari. If you want to see an artists representation of this cryptozoologic beast, click [here.](http://pbskids.org/sesame/letter/) ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/373 "2005-06-01T15:19:07Z")
> [@Odinoneeye](#): > > Ok, on this show, there’s a lot of what ifs and maybes, but here’s my take on that. > > Danielle wanted Aaron because she thought that’s who the Others wanted. She was going to trade him for Alex. When she got to the smoke, the Others weren’t there. > > Now the boat people wanted Walt, if they are the Others, that means Danielle was wrong. > > We don’t know enough about Ethan to understand his motives. First of all, he kidnapped Claire, so maybe he wanted Claire for some reason and not the baby. Maybe Ethan is an independent, like Danielle, and also thought the Others wanted the baby and has some reason to want to get on their good graces. > > Maybe it’s something totally different. My opinion is that the Others knew there was a special (somehow) child on the island. At first, they thought it was Claire’s baby, and kidnapped her in order to run tests on her and find out for sure. She somehow escaped and they tried to get her back but Ethan was killed by Charlie. Between then and the finale, they discovered the special child was Walt and, discovering (somehow) that he would be on the raft when it sailed, they decided to wait till then to take him. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/374 "2005-06-01T15:35:51Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > My opinion is that the Others knew there was a special (somehow) child on the island. At first, they thought it was Claire’s baby, and kidnapped her in order to run tests on her and find out for sure. She somehow escaped and they tried to get her back but Ethan was killed by Charlie. Between then and the finale, they discovered the special child was Walt and, discovering (somehow) that he would be on the raft when it sailed, they decided to wait till then to take him. I agree with this assessment (and not just because I predicted it a few weeks ago, either). We do not yet know the True Nature of Walt’s powers, but I am fairly certain he’s the One To Watch. ---
**Author:** ![Plynck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Plynck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plynck)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/375 "2005-06-01T16:07:50Z")
Do we all think that the Black Rock (mentioned early in the season) is the ship that they found, or is that just another misdirection? [From the unanswered questions thread, the transcription of Danielle’s radio transmission, with translation:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5454071&postcount=9) So, my question would be this: If Danielle knew that The Black Rock were a ship, wouldn’t she refer to it by its name (The Black Rock), and not by its translated name (Le Rocher Noir)? After all, we refer to the city of Baton Rouge, not “Red Stick”. ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/376 "2005-06-01T16:20:30Z")
It might be a misdirection. Good call. Here’s another: if she’s obviously bilinugual, why not record a distress message in French AND English? I know if I were multilingual, and in her shoes, I’d send a distress signal in as many languages as I knew. Three possibilities: 1. The message was only intended for French authorities 2. Danielle only knew French at the time she made the looped recording 3. The writers screwed up. I can accept 1) with a good backstory, and 3) as a matter of rote. If it’s 2), we need to ask: how or from whom did Danielle learn English? ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/377 "2005-06-01T16:27:19Z")
Ahhhh, I meant, “matter of _course_,” of course. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/378 "2005-06-01T16:35:36Z")
It doesn’t sound like Danielle was making a “general” distress call. My guess is that she was broadcasting to whatever group sent her expedition. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/379 "2005-06-01T17:00:30Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > It doesn’t sound like Danielle was making a “general” distress call. My guess is that she was broadcasting to whatever group sent her expedition. The nature of the message seems to indicate that. After all, it gives no general background for any third party to understand her situation. It doesn’t say “I was on a research ship that ran aground, these are our last known coordinates, etc…” It just starts talking as if the receiving party would know what she meant. “It killed them all…” ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/380 "2005-06-01T17:51:52Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > The nature of the message seems to indicate that. After all, it gives no general background for any third party to understand her situation. It doesn’t say “I was on a research ship that ran aground, these are our last known coordinates, etc…” > It just starts talking as if the receiving party would know what she meant. “It killed them all…” To me, it sounds like she was babbling incoherently (which would explain why it wasn’t repeated in English). The babbling incoherently could have two causes: ``` a. She was panicked, being chased, and had no time to present a detailed account because she was too busy setting up a repeating broadcast that would function perfectly unattended for 16 years. ``` or ``` b. It's the standard screenwriting convention that a distress message should * never * actually contain any useful information that might be helpful to the putative rescuers. (c.f. The ubiquitous "Mulder, can you drop everything and drive over here, I think you out to see this instead of my simply explaining it on the telephone." that we saw on the XFiles.) ``` [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300.md?page=20)