# Lost 1.24/1.25: "Exodus, Part Two" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 24, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300 "2005-05-24T18:25:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![SmackFu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/53a042/32.png) [@SmackFu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmackFu)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/161 "2005-05-26T05:33:12Z")
I agree with Little Nemo. I keep trying to give this show a chance, and it never delivers any satisfaction. This was the season finale, there should have been a little tiny bit of resolution. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/162 "2005-05-26T05:35:59Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > [He’ll be 39 in June](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0009190/?fr=c2l0ZT1kZnxteD0yMHxsbT01MDB8dHQ9b258ZmI9dXxwbj0xfHE9YWJyYW1zfGh0bWw9MXxubT1vbg__;fc=2;ft=177;fm=1). That was meant tongue-in-cheek. He looks **really** young. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/163 "2005-05-26T05:37:18Z")
> [@tripthicket](#): > > Okay, check me. Locke was almost pulled into a hole that was clearly more than big enough to accomodate him. When Kate threw the dynamite down into the hole, the resulting explosion didn’t blow back out of the hole around Locke, but rather seemed to result in an expulsion of black smoke (that may or may not have been a living entity in and of itself, but sure as heck _moved_ like one) some distance away from the hole and our heroes. My first viewing, I thought it was some distance away. My second viewing, I thought maybe the intent was to show that it came out of the hole where Locke was. Either way, it looked to me like the “black smoke” was the TCM being forced out of the ground. > [@tripthicket](#): > > This would seem to indicate the hole leads to a tunnel, and we saw the force of the explosion apparently burst upward through the ground above the supposed tunnel where the dynamite likely came to a bouncing rest, rather than fire belching out of the hole and roasting Locke and Jack (in other words, the force of the explosion didn’t follow the path of least resistance, ie, the empty tunnel). At least, that was the conclusion I drew from what I thought I saw; I’ll check the tape later. The hole leads to a tunnel, or to a chamber of unknown dimensions. The delay between Kate throwing the dynamite and the explosion made me think that the hole was very deep and perhaps large, so there might have been other avenues for the pressure waves to escape. > [@tripthicket](#): > > Okay, I said all that to say this: Locke has been hot to open the hatch, open the hatch, open the hatch. Here was an _open tunnel_ that a mysterious island force apparently uses, and Locke ignores it to still concentrate on the hatch? Locke didn’t ignore it, he wanted to embrace it, but Jack had Kate toss the dynamite. ---
**Author:** ![kimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/164 "2005-05-26T05:47:38Z")
Have we seen the monster before? Check out [this](http://www.livejournal.com/community/lost_tv/533584.html?view=7176528) from the very first episode. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/165 "2005-05-26T05:54:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Here was an open tunnel that a mysterious island force apparently uses, and Locke ignores it to still concentrate on the hatch? Is this another one of those instances where the lostaways are acting stupid because the writers want things to go in a certain direction, instead of the lostaways acting as you or I might in similar circumstances? Think about it in terms of _Let’s Make a Deal_: Do you want to choose the (injured? dead?) monster behind Door #1 or take a chance on Door #2? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/166 "2005-05-26T05:56:26Z")
TCM isn’t completely invisable- you can see the tentacle thingie wrapped around Lockes foot quite clearly- better in slo-mo. After the “BOOM”, if you-slow mo the smoke, there seems to be two cowled faces in the smoke. :eek: Note that the trick with gunpowder really AFAIK works only with black powder, not smokeless. The fact that our hobbit has the statue doesn’t mean he took any heroin. However, the H would be useful for our gallant MD with future surgeries, so I wonder why Sayid didn’t take some to jack? I am dissapointed at the lack of answers. I hope this isn’t going to be another Prentender or John Doe- where the answers _never_ come. ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/167 "2005-05-26T05:58:26Z")
> [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > Did I start this speculation, or is there some basis for it? (I speculated that Anna Lucia was too strong of a character for a one-off, and that the BOP people would figure in the next season.) We also know that Michelle Rodriguez [has signed up as a regular next season](http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/050425b.php). ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/168 "2005-05-26T06:01:20Z")
Just how far off course are these people? Mozambique slavers? Nigerian drug runners? Mozambique is off the coast of the Indian Ocean while Nigeria is underneath Lybia, a half-continent away. Long way away to run some heroin, don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/169 "2005-05-26T06:21:04Z")
1. “Chloe, I’d like to introduce you to someone with whom you have a lot in common, Leslie Arzt.” BOOM! “Oops, never mind.” 2. Shannon, developing a relationship with Vince, goes walking about the Island. Spying a box full of red sticks, and thinking of a good game of “Fetch”, she grabs one and BOOM! 3. Someone remind me - wasn’t the CFL transmission originating from The Black Rock? 4. If Arzt is such an expert on dynamite, why did he pick out the weepiest-looking stick to take? And why the hell did he persist in his apparent talking-with-moving-hands deal? 5. Who besides Tracie and Steve might be getting it on? 6. What’ the deal with the ubiquitous torches? Thread [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=318326), where I hope to have an answer. 7. Sayid as a TLC-providing nurse? I don’t think so - it’s a bitch. 8. Hurley’s room number was 2342… 9. Hurley apparently ditched one suitcase while racing through the airport ala OJ. 10. The soccer team was 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42, which Hurley didn’t see, because the numbers were on their backs, or he would have exploded. 11. Yet another call for an Emmy for Score, or Composer, or whatever. 12. Alfred Nobel lived from 1833 to 1896. Is it remotely possible that a ship could be carrying slaves and his invention, dynamite? 13. What does Jack mean when referring to a potential “Locke problem”? I don’t see it, but maybe that’s the writers’ way of creating conflict. 14. What was the deal with Hurley’s “thumbs up” to Walt? I await your collective wisdom… ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/170 "2005-05-26T06:25:27Z")
Just arriving here… “Dude!” Poor Arnst. Hurley has the best lines, and I loved his mad dash through the airport. Jorge Garcia is wonderful. “Twinkies keep for like eight thousand years, man.” 😃 (Frighteningly, this is probably true.) So…The Others wanted the boy, but not the wee one. I will still refer to Aaron as “Turnip-head,” however. As prescient as Walt is, should he not have known that something bad would happen to them on that raft? Otherwise…Heart-rending performance from him as he screamed for his dad to help him. And Sawyer comes up with another name for Walt: “Kazoo.” Sawyer was shot and Jin jumped in after him…Well, that’s a hell of a cliffhanger! Did I miss something in regard to Sawyer’s shirt? Michael had an odd expression when he picked it up and told him to put it back on. Locke will be the one to go down that long ladder, underground. I’d bet real money on it. He’d probably knock out the others just to have the opportunity. Oh no, Charlie…Not the heroin again! Sun is a born nurturer. She falls right into the role of nurse, caregiver, etc. quite easily. I think she needs it even more now that Jin has taken off. Good to have a glimpse of Boone again. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/171 "2005-05-26T06:29:41Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > That hatch must be very fragile, because they didn’t tamp the dynamite. All that would do would be make a big scar on the hatch…without tamping, the force of the explosion is wasted! Err, “tamping the dynamite”? Would you care to explain? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/172 "2005-05-26T06:34:23Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > My prediction for next season? The hype will die out over the summer and next season the viewers will realize how hollow the show is. It’ll be _Twin Peaks_ all over again. You know, not to hijack the thread, but I really get tired of people slagging Twin Peaks with the whole “never answered any questions” critique. A lot of people got pissed off when the “Who Killed Laura Palmer?” mystery wasn’t resolved at the end of S1 and the bad-mouthing started. Oh, they don’t answer any questions, they just raise stuff and never resolve it, blah blah blah. Only problem with the critique is it’s complete bullshit. The two major story arcs, “Who Killed Laura Palmer?” and the Wyndham Earle storyline, were both resolved. Had ABC not killed the show, undoubtedly the plots left dangling (like Audrey’s fate, Cooper’s fate, the Owl Cave mystery, etc.) would have been resolved. Several people associated with the series, including David Lynch and Mark Frost, have stated that plotting had been done for a third season had ABC not pulled the plug. As for Lost, what exactly is it that the haters want from it? For all the mysteries to be solved and to watch an hour a week of the castaways trying to get off the island? We already had that show; it was called Giligan’s Island and it’s probably being syndicated to a station near you. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/173 "2005-05-26T06:35:40Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > Well, I’m going to be the one to say it: the Emperor isn’t wearing any clothes. > > The season’s over and the writers apparently still don’t know what’s happening. Or if they do, they’re not telling. Were any of the big questions that have been raised this season answered in the finale? Nope. > > I’m now mostly convinced that the writers are just winging it and have no clue where they’re going. Inventing mysteries is easy - the challenge is solving the mysteries. And there’s no evidence these guys are up to the challenge. Half of them are probably wishing the show would’ve bombed and been cancelled so they wouldn’t have to try and work their way out of the corner they’ve painted themselves into. > > My prediction for next season? The hype will die out over the summer and next season the viewers will realize how hollow the show is. It’ll be _Twin Peaks_ all over again. you are - thpthpthp - evil. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/174 "2005-05-26T06:46:45Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Did I miss something in regard to Sawyer’s shirt? Michael had an odd expression when he picked it up and told him to put it back on. Micheal saw Sawyer’s gun inside his shirt when he picked it up. Hence his later “what are you going to do, shoot me?” question. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/175 "2005-05-26T07:06:34Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Note that the trick with gunpowder really AFAIK works only with black powder, not smokeless. What do you mean? If you put a match to smokeless powder, it’ll burn. Why wouldn’t it cauterize the wound? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/176 "2005-05-26T08:00:03Z")
> [@](#): > > You know, not to hijack the thread, but I really get tired of people slagging Twin Peaks with the whole “never answered any questions” critique. A lot of people got pissed off when the “Who Killed Laura Palmer?” mystery wasn’t resolved at the end of S1 and the bad-mouthing started. Oh, they don’t answer any questions, they just raise stuff and never resolve it, blah blah blah. Only problem with the critique is it’s complete bullshit. The two major story arcs, “Who Killed Laura Palmer?” and the Wyndham Earle storyline, were both resolved. Had ABC not killed the show, undoubtedly the plots left dangling (like Audrey’s fate, Cooper’s fate, the Owl Cave mystery, etc.) would have been resolved. Several people associated with the series, including David Lynch and Mark Frost, have stated that plotting had been done for a third season had ABC not pulled the plug. > > As for Lost, what exactly is it that the haters want from it? For all the mysteries to be solved and to watch an hour a week of the castaways trying to get off the island? We already had that show; it was called Giligan’s Island and it’s probably being syndicated to a station near you. I’ll admit I didn’t actually watch much of _Twin Peaks_ when it was on the air and I certainly can’t claim to have followed the plot. I was commenting more on the way it went from being an incredible phenomenon with fans obsessively dissecting every word and gesture for clues to a show that was cancelled a few months later for a complete lack of interest. Some shows are like that - the television equivalent of Dutch tulip mania. In my opinion, _Lost_ is one the verge of taking that fall. I’m not someone who wants all the answers handed to him before the first commercial break. But I do expect that if a show is being based around mysteries that the writers should have a plan behind it all. Consider these questions that we’ve been asking all year: Why did the plane crash? Why did these people survive? What’s the deal with the polar bear? What’s the thing smashing the trees? Who are the other people on the island? What are Walt’s powers? What gave Locke back the ability to walk? Who were Adam and Eve? What killed the French expedition? What do the numbers mean? What’s inside the hatch? None of these have been answered. How will you feel if next May, you’re watching the second season finale and all of them are still unanswered? The question now is whether the producers and writers are engaged in some extended foreplay or are just cock-teasing us. ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Mann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce73a5/32.png) [@Rich\_Mann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rich_Mann)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/177 "2005-05-26T08:03:18Z")
**Oslo** , I noticed your point #9, too. I conjecture that he had it on the way to the international terminal and checked it when he got there, offscreen. Subsequent scenes were after baggage check. My $0.02 p.s. BZZZT ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/178 "2005-05-26T08:05:24Z")
Didn’t read the 4 pages of this thread so far… So, are Evil Boat People “The Others”? Clearly they are from the island given the puny size of that boat. But they’re awfully scruffy compared to Ethan. Something isn’t quite right… Locke really, really wanted to be pulled into the island. He wants to be one with island. But the hatch is just a bottomless pit. This seemed like just any old epsidode to me-- answering a few questions, but asking a lot more. Didn’t seem like a finale at all. Still very cool. I still have faith that the writers know what they’re doing. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/179 "2005-05-26T08:18:13Z")
“Dude, you’ve got some…Arzt…on you.” That’ll teach him to make cracks about Hurley’s weight. I’m going to say that the others were definitely the ones on the boat and that Alex was the one chucking molotovs. Don’t the others know what happens when you mess with Walt? Just wait. He’s going to send the others to the cornfield and return to the cave riding a polar bear. I sense bad things coming to Locke. He’s become an island junkie. I’m not saying he’s a bad guy or that he’s going to “sacrifice” more people to the island, but I think he will end badly. ---
**Author:** ![remisser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b3f665/32.png) [@remisser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/remisser)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2005, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300/180 "2005-05-26T11:26:00Z")
two things that I found funny about the scene with Walt in the airport… 1) the gameboy advance sp game he was playing was emitting old school atari sounds (which that game doesn’t sound like at all… heh) 2) He says he needs new batteries for his gameboy advance sp which doesn’t have a battery compartment you open – just a rechargeable battery you need to plug in. 🙂 A theory I have is that the people on the boat could know of Walt’s ‘powers’ – whatever they may be. I’m not sure of how the numbers tie all the survivors together, but I do think all the survivors had a certain role to play… and that the plane crash was staged in an effort to get Walt there. Now this is going to be a stretch, but, when CFL’s baby was taken – maybe she and her people got stranded on that island, perhaps the baby she had was some sort of medical experiment, and perhaps that made her baby special. Landing on this strange island, perhaps the “others” (the boat people, in my opinion) were some of her fellow research people who took her baby… I think maybe her baby had some of these special ‘powers’ that Walt has. Perhaps in all their years there, they’ve found a way to tap into these powers. The young girl on the boat could be that child. Someone in this thread said that they knew to shoot at Sawyer because when he was jumping up and down celebrating prematurely, they might have been able to see the gun… but it was still dark and it’d be hard to spot the gun with the spotlight on them from a distance… perhaps she was able to sense the gun and knew he’d shoot. Maybe she, in some way, is responsible for the evil unseen entities on the island… These are just a few of the ideas floating on the top of my head. I have more if anyone is interested. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-24-1-25-exodus-part-two/305300.md?page=10)