# Lost 1.5 "White Rabbit" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 20, 2004, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282 "2004-10-20T21:14:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/61 "2004-10-21T18:51:43Z")
Seems like the pace of the plot is slowing down noticeably. I’m wondering if we won’t see the group split in two at some point (two tribes competing on an island 🙂 ), with Jack as the leader of one group and Slick-guy (don’t remember his name) as the other leader. Anyway, I’m really digging this show and hope they don’t bring too much supernatural crap into it. Locke has seen the monster. Will he tell Jack at least? ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/62 "2004-10-21T18:58:13Z")
I’m pretty sure that Sawyer’s actual line was, “I made this wish four year ago.” ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/63 "2004-10-21T19:18:32Z")
> [@Cuckoorex](#): > > I’m pretty sure that Sawyer’s actual line was, “I made this wish four year ago.” now THAT’S interesting. for all the “mad bombers” and “windmills and turbines” theories out there, one interesting theory is that the island is a manifestation of people’s thoughts/dreams/fears somehow. Could Sawyer have known her and wished he was stranded on a desert island with her? Could Locke have wished to be able to walk again? Could Jack have wished for a chance to reconcile with his father? Could Hurley have wish to be thin, “Drive Shaft” wished to be sober, the black guy to be with his son? ---
**Author:** ![av8rmike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@av8rmike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/av8rmike)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/64 "2004-10-21T20:27:35Z")
… Kate wishing to be absolved of her crime? … The Korean man wishing his wife was _more_ chaste and subservient? … Claire wishing that her pregnancy was complicated? Interesting idea, **Trunk** , but I’m not really buying it yet. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/65 "2004-10-21T20:56:39Z")
Speaking for myself, I will be very disappointed if this show turns into what strikes me as little more than a riff on the Trek episode “Shore Leave” and a thousand similar shows since. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/66 "2004-10-21T21:18:38Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Speaking for myself, I will be very disappointed if this show turns into what strikes me as little more than a riff on the Trek episode “Shore Leave” and a thousand similar shows since. I got that exact sinking feeling while watching last night. As soon as the casket was empty, I half expected Finnegan to show up. “Wooo-ha ha ha!! C’mere, Jimmy Boy!” ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Death](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecccb3/32.png) [@Evil\_Death](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Death)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/67 "2004-10-21T21:36:26Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > I think that was _The Brown Bunny_ you’re thinking of…unless, of course, you’re familiar with a version of Alice in [Wonderland](http://www.wonderlandthemovie.com/) that I’m not. It appears that I _am_ familiar with a version of [Alice in Wonderland](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074113/) that you are not. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/68 "2004-10-21T22:34:58Z")
Has this been asked already? Did they really survive the crash or is this the afterlife? ---
**Author:** ![EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilHamsterOnCrack)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/69 "2004-10-21T22:50:12Z")
> [@Trunk](#): > > now THAT’S interesting. > > for all the “mad bombers” and “windmills and turbines” theories out there, one interesting theory is that the island is a manifestation of people’s thoughts/dreams/fears somehow. > > Could Sawyer have known her and wished he was stranded on a desert island with her? > > Could Locke have wished to be able to walk again? > > Could Jack have wished for a chance to reconcile with his father? > > Could Hurley have wish to be thin, “Drive Shaft” wished to be sober, the black guy to be with his son? Kinda like a “Sphere” type thing? ---
**Author:** ![Juniper200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@Juniper200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Juniper200)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/70 "2004-10-21T23:06:20Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Has this been asked already? > > Did they really survive the crash or is this the afterlife? It’s been discussed, and I think the general consensus is that we will feel profoundly ripped off if that’s the case. ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/71 "2004-10-22T00:06:24Z")
> [@Trunk](#): > > They collected water from leaves, LAST NIGHT. > > And, they’ve been collecting water using tarps. It just hasn’t rained in a while (which makes you wonder why it was still on the leaves, but at least they showed that they have that covered.) Not like that. You can harness the natural respiration process of plants to create a constant collection of fresh water it’s kind of like the “solar still” another poster mentioned. Conventional solar stills are also effective - they work by collecting the condensation from the temperature change when the sun rises. This is a much safer bet than just waiting for it to rain, especially when you have children and pregnant women in your party. I bet those plants could go for longer without water than us puny humans could. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/72 "2004-10-22T00:18:50Z")
Thanks Juniper and OneChance for the name and link. 🙂 So far I’m liking what I hear, reminds me a little of Damien Rice. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/73 "2004-10-22T03:46:09Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Did they really survive the crash or is this the afterlife? If it were, why all the dead bodies? And how would the pilot, the marshal and this week’s swimmer die? ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/74 "2004-10-22T11:11:50Z")
> [@Fiver](#): > > If it were, why all the dead bodies? And how would the pilot, the marshal and this week’s swimmer die? Maybe they are just the ones from the plane that had unresolved life issues and couldn’t “pass on” to the Afterlife, so they are stuck on the island to work out their problems. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/75 "2004-10-22T11:21:06Z")
> [@av8rmike](#): > > … Kate wishing to be absolved of her crime? > > … The Korean man wishing his wife was _more_ chaste and subservient? > > … Claire wishing that her pregnancy was complicated? > > Interesting idea, **Trunk** , but I’m not really buying it yet. Well, I’m not necessarily either, but it is somewhat consistent with everything we’ve seen. We don’t have the back stories of those characters you mentioned, yet. Maybe Claire had to get away from a guy. Maybe Korean wife was looking for a chance to break free. But, the back stories we **do** have – Kate captured by a marshall, Locke wanting a “walkabout”, Jack being tormented by his father’s expectations – would fit into this theory, to a degree. Clearly, something “magical” is happening. What’s the logic behind the magic? Is it random? Maybe. . .maybe not. ---
**Author:** ![Encinitas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@Encinitas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Encinitas)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/76 "2004-10-22T15:24:52Z")
Ok, what is the significance (if any) of Charley’s tattoo on his left shoulder that says _Living is easy…with eyes closed_? It is a quote from the Lennon and McCartney song [Strawberry Fields](http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/beatles/14349.html). The next line in the song is “Misunderstanding all you see.” 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Carnage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/max_carnage/32/12775_2.png) [@Max\_Carnage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Carnage)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/77 "2004-10-22T15:52:08Z")
> [@Cuckoorex](#): > > I’m pretty sure that Sawyer’s actual line was, “I made this wish four year ago.” I think he said “I made this birthday wish four years ago.” I only took it as Sawyer just being a little pervert and trying to make Kate blush. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/78 "2004-10-22T17:23:58Z")
> [@Encinitas](#): > > Ok, what is the significance (if any) of Charley’s tattoo on his left shoulder Means he likes elbow sex. What? ---
**Author:** ![Encinitas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@Encinitas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Encinitas)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/79 "2004-10-22T17:39:06Z")
Doesn’t everybody? Oh look! A doll in a pool! ---
**Author:** ![Juniper200](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@Juniper200](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Juniper200)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282/80 "2004-10-22T18:07:07Z")
> [@Encinitas](#): > > Ok, what is the significance (if any) of Charley’s tattoo on his left shoulder that says _Living is easy…with eyes closed_? > It is a quote from the Lennon and McCartney song [Strawberry Fields](http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/beatles/14349.html). > The next line in the song is “Misunderstanding all you see.” 😕 That’s one of Dom Monaghan’s real tattoos. I suppose there’s some significance in their choosing not to cover it up – it’s a neat sort of commentary on the character’s chemical dependence. Of course, they didn’t cover up the Elvish “nine” tattoo on his other arm, either. Maybe Charlie’s just a geek who likes the Beatles? 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-1-5-white-rabbit/270282.md?page=5)