# Lost 2.1: "Man of Science, Man of Faith" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 21, 2005, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631 "2005-09-21T00:46:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/261 "2005-09-22T23:40:56Z")
Re the digitally blurred comic cover – IIRC, in the beginning the idea was that they were going to be able to wrap the whole mystery up in a single season if necessary. And then it got really popular. There are really only two ways to make a work of fiction longer: 1. Make every planned incident take a loooooong time to get through. (aka padding) or 1. Add more incidents, and especially subplots. Obviously they went with 2, much the stronger course. OTOH, in a story like this, each mysterious event narrows down the field of possible explanations for What’s Going On. AKA writing yourself into a corner, see XFiles. My guess is that the polar bear turned out to be a sticky problem in the ‘expanded’ Lost overall theory – and the producers have decided to try to shove it under the rug. Which would explain why the comic book cover got blurred (why remind viewers?) and the shooting of the polar bear got no mention in the recaps. It also seemed to me that the tree-shaking-monster got way, way downplayed. Also missing is the giant whatever that ate the co-pilot. Okay, yes, I admit they couldn’t include EVERYTHING in the recap – we didn’t see Hurley’s golf course, for example – but having something shown-but-altered is much more noteworthy than just not-shown. I also note that none of the excellent theories offered above have included a reason for said polar bears. Unless you’re going to claim it wasn’t a polar bear at all, but a white lab rat that mutated and escaped? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/262 "2005-09-22T23:43:17Z")
> [@Menocchio](#): > > My theory is that they are red herrings, more or less. Claire’s psychic may have arranged to put her on fligh 815, because \*they \*needed a child for the experiment. But, after Rousseau injected her, Turniphead was ruined for their needs. So, in a pinch, they took Walt. Neither of them have any real supernatural significance. CFL injected Aaron with something? When was that? ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/263 "2005-09-22T23:44:37Z")
**WINGNUT THEORY ALERT** : Someone I work with had the idea today that “the boy” the Others are looking for is actually _Jack_. I don’t buy it - I stand by my earlier statement that Walt is the key, somehow - but they argue that Jack’s father was on Flight 815 (albeit in an “altered state” at the time), and all flashbacks seem to intertwine through Jack somehow, and that the Dad referred to Jack as “boy” or “my boy” in every flashback in which he appeared. Can anyone confirm or deny the dialogue “clues”? _OK, now back to our regularly scheduled wingnut theories …_ ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/264 "2005-09-22T23:52:24Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > CFL injected Aaron with something? When was that? At the end of last season, Claire recovered the memory that Rousseau, not Ethan, came at her with the needle just before she was kidnapped. I’m making the assumption that she actually suceeded in injecting something, and that Claire’s memory is actually correct. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/265 "2005-09-23T00:01:57Z")
My goodness, y’all have delved into this much deeper than I have. I completely missed the name of the SUV driver, though I did think that one day it would haunt Jack that he let the one man die on the table in order to attend to the other patient. I was jarred by how much younger Jack looked in the flashbacks, with longer hair and a clean face. Looks like he’s dropped 10 or 15 pounds, too. Now re his hair: I thought that maybe he grew his hair over the break and then they blow dried it, using “Party of Five” tapes as reference. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Rieux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/266 "2005-09-23T00:06:48Z")
It never occured to me that it was a wig, either. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/267 "2005-09-23T00:49:29Z")
> [@thwartme](#): > > My guess is… Alex is down the hatch. > > We need more [Kate](http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/1412/evangelinelilly063xa.jpg) ! Holy crap. That is some damn fine wallpaper. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/268 "2005-09-23T01:03:53Z")
I didn’t notice this until just now, but in that picture, she really looks like a Gelfling. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/269 "2005-09-23T01:06:09Z")
did you notice that in Desmond’s kitchen, natural light was coming in through the window… it did not appear that there was a ravine directly next to the hatch… ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/270 "2005-09-23T01:07:02Z")
More Shannon ass wouldn’t be bad, either. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/271 "2005-09-23T01:15:48Z")
For the next 30 minutes, if you tune into TNT you can see Jin as the bady guy in the episode of Charmed that’s on. He speaks perfect English, BTW. ---
**Author:** ![Kingspades](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecae2f/32.png) [@Kingspades](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kingspades)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/272 "2005-09-23T01:21:29Z")
Nonsequitur lottery update: According to [alllotto.com](http://alllotto.com), 1-0-8 was the Pick 3 winning combination in both Missouri and Ontario on Saturday, 9/17/05. Our favorite six numbers, however, have never been winners. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/273 "2005-09-23T01:41:10Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > My guess is that the polar bear turned out to be a sticky problem in the ‘expanded’ Lost overall theory – and the producers have decided to try to shove it under the rug. Which would explain why the comic book cover got blurred (why remind viewers?) and the shooting of the polar bear got no mention in the recaps. I think it’s much more likely that it has something to do with copyright issues – like how Marvin could “hum like Pink Floyd” in the original broadcast of the _Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy_, and rebroadcasts skipped over that bit. If DC Comics grumbled at all, it makes perfect sense that the cover would be blurred out. ---
**Author:** ![EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ab097/32.png) [@EvilHamsterOnCrack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilHamsterOnCrack)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/274 "2005-09-23T03:07:13Z")
umm… did it seem to anyone else that Desmond stressed the word “brother”, when he said it in the hatch? as if to show that he knew it was Jack, and was waiting for HIM, as opposed to it just being a normal speech pattern which reminded Jack of desmond? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/275 "2005-09-23T03:11:02Z")
While the polar bear was the part that’s seemed to have the most connection, the main story of comic book was about the government tricking two superheroes into capturing an alien. They experimented on him and accidentally gave him a terminal illness. He broke out and started a plan to gain his revenge. So you’ve got people being used as pawns, government experiments, alien invaders, mysterious diseases, and two secret plots working against each other with humanity caught in the middle. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/276 "2005-09-23T04:09:59Z")
> [@Dooku](#): > > For the next 30 minutes, if you tune into TNT you can see Jin as the bady guy in the episode of Charmed that’s on. He speaks perfect English, BTW. Yeah. Daniel Dae Kim actually doesn’t speak Korean. He grew up in Pennsylvania. He lied to get the audition for Lost, and has been working like crazy with Yoon-jin Kim (the woman who plays Sun) to fake it. He fakes it well, doesn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/277 "2005-09-23T05:10:17Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Yeah. Daniel Dae Kim actually doesn’t speak Korean. He grew up in Pennsylvania. He lied to get the audition for Lost, and has been working like crazy with Yoon-jin Kim (the woman who plays Sun) to fake it. He fakes it well, doesn’t he? I don’t think so. From the interviews in the special features on the DVD it sounded like he grew up speaking (at least some) Korean, but wasn’t fluent and never really spoke it as an adult. He was born in Korea, so one would assume his parents spoke Korean at home. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/278 "2005-09-23T05:39:10Z")
> [@spoke-](#): > > So what happens if you hit the Execute button? Maybe that’s what starts up the TCM. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/279 "2005-09-23T06:05:04Z")
> [@Menocchio](#): > > It’s a magnetic field generated by the machinery under the hatch, and probably controlled by the computer. The black cloud is actually ferromagnetic particles picked up in the field. Oh great… so they were attacked by rogue iron filings from physics class? How embarrassing for the pilot of the plane… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/280 "2005-09-23T06:05:37Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > If DC Comics grumbled at all, it makes perfect sense that the cover would be blurred out. Also possible, though sort of a stretch: Was the recap show done by Bad Robot, i.e. JJ Abrams’s production company? Or was it done by the network? I seem to recall that the previous clip/recap show toward the end of season 1 was done by the network independent of Bad Robot, and I further note that the credits at the end of this one had different producers and executives than the regular show. So it’s conceivable that DC granted the rights to the comic to the production company but not the network separately, and thus when the network put together its own clip show, they didn’t have the right to use the comic on their own, and were obliged to obscure it. I’ll admit that this is unlikely, but it depends on how the show is owned, operated, and financed, and the details of the DC deal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631.md?page=15)