# Lost 2.1: "Man of Science, Man of Faith" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 21, 2005, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631 "2005-09-21T00:46:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/301 "2005-09-24T00:11:02Z")
Agh, I’m a dumbass. Forgot to refresh/read to bottom before I posted. ---
**Author:** ![Katriona](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/katriona/32/113_2.png) [@Katriona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katriona)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/302 "2005-09-24T00:23:08Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > While the polar bear was the part that’s seemed to have the most connection, the main story of comic book was about the government tricking two superheroes into capturing an alien. They experimented on him and accidentally gave him a terminal illness. He broke out and started a plan to gain his revenge. > > So you’ve got people being used as pawns, government experiments, alien invaders, mysterious diseases, and two secret plots working against each other with humanity caught in the middle. Aha, interesting - DH and I were convinced that it was nothing more than that Walt had conjured up the polar bear from the comic, the same way in his flashback he was looking through a book on birds, and after his being frustrated trying to get his mom and her BF to pay attention to him, we see a dead bird on the patio. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/303 "2005-09-24T01:35:31Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Would it be a bad idea to play the “bad numbers” in the lottery? Absolutely a bad idea. Because if you win, you’ll share the prize with about 10,000 people who all had the same idea. ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Tiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Mama\_Tiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Tiger)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/304 "2005-09-24T02:49:34Z")
I did play the numbers at keno a few months ago and won $75…but I wasn’t sure I should keep it just in case it would mean my house would burn down and my office would get struck by a meteor(ite)! ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/305 "2005-09-24T03:57:10Z")
> [@Mama Tiger](#): > > I did play the numbers at keno a few months ago and won $75…but I wasn’t sure I should keep it just in case it would mean my house would burn down and my office would get struck by a meteor(ite)! See, these curses are proportional. If you kept the money, all that would have burned is your morning toast and a dog would have taken a whiz on your office door. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/306 "2005-09-24T05:11:29Z")
I wonder if some of the parents of the castaways aren’t in on this. Think about it - the Korean couple were essentially forced onto that flight by her father. Jack was hauled down to Australia by his father’s death, but when he found the casket, it was empty. Maybe Dad isn’t dead, but used that as a pretext to get his son onto that flight. Come to think of it, almost all these characters have a connection through their parents. One died on a table beside Jack - maybe he was involved in some conspiracy and the crash was involved. Perhaps Jack’s wife got healed because she was injected with something. Maybe even by Jack’s Dad. Locke’s Dad is another powerful man with a sinister or flawed background. Sawyer’s Dad killed his mom and himself. Maybe it wasn’t because of money, but because of what they were doing. Maybe the parents took some drug or took treatments for some purpose, and their offspring inherited some trait or were changed in some way. So now they’re being collected up and sent to the island. That would also explain the inordinate interest in the baby and Walt - 3rd generation whatevers. As for Hurley, maybe when he won the lottery with those exact numbers it alerted someone that their secret was out, and they were actually trying to kill him or drive him to the source of the numbers so he could show them how the secret got out. I’m sure this is totally wrong, but it’s fun to speculate on possibilities anyway. ---
**Author:** ![rainy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@rainy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rainy)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/307 "2005-09-24T13:48:57Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Maybe the parents took some drug or took treatments for some purpose, and their offspring inherited some trait or were changed in some way. So now they’re being collected up and sent to the island. That would also explain the inordinate interest in the baby and Walt - 3rd generation whatevers. I like it. Kind of borrowing a page from the movie “Scanners.” -rainy ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/308 "2005-09-24T14:35:36Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Absolutely a bad idea. Because if you win, you’ll share the prize with about 10,000 people who all had the same idea. For the same reason, you should never play a string a consecutive numbers, and you’re better off playing a lot of numbers above 31. Not that it’s ever gonna matter. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/309 "2005-09-24T16:06:59Z")
Anybody know where I can get a quick, accurate transcript? Damn crappy TV sound. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/310 "2005-09-24T17:39:58Z")
didn’t the words on the back of Sayid’s photo of his “girlfriend” say “see you in another life”? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/311 "2005-09-24T19:35:22Z")
I didnt go thru this whole thread, but has anyone pointed out that the “quarantine” warning, being on the \*\*inside \*\*the hatch, would apply to the island, not to the Desmond’s bunker. I’ve been thinking ever since the episode “Solitary” that the key to this whole thing is the “sickness” that CFL talked about. Didn’t it start happening about 2 months after her crew was stranded on the island, and isn’t that about how much time the Flight 815 people have been there now? ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/312 "2005-09-24T19:39:54Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Didn’t it start happening about 2 months after her crew was stranded on the island, and isn’t that about how much time the Flight 815 people have been there now? 40 days is the generally accepted number. A quarantine is usually 40 days. So was Noah’s flood, among other things. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/313 "2005-09-24T20:16:39Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I didnt go thru this whole thread, but has anyone pointed out that the “quarantine” warning, being on the \*\*inside \*\*the hatch, would apply to the island, not to the Desmond’s bunker. I’ve been thinking ever since the episode “Solitary” that the key to this whole thing is the “sickness” that CFL talked about. Didn’t it start happening about 2 months after her crew was stranded on the island, and isn’t that about how much time the Flight 815 people have been there now? Have you noticed that many of the passenger are acting manic and having trouble sleeping? Jack had to be sedated to get him to sleep. Locke was out all night every night. The phrase, “When was the last time you got some sleep?” has come up numerous times, applying to several different major characters. Maybe it’s just a coincidence, but I think the island possibly activated something they were already carrying, or they were all injected with something in the period between when they blacked out as the plane was going down and when t hey all woke up on the island. No one remembers exactly what happened, do they? No one stayed conscious all the way down. I wonder if it’s a coincidence that Locke got his legs back mysteriously, and Jack’s wife ALSO got her legs back mysteriously after Jack had an encounter with a guy connected with the island, who seemed to know she was going to be fine. I’ll bet they were both injected with some kind of regeneration drug. Maybe it’s an immortality drug. Wouldn’t it be interesting if Rousseau was actually a passenger on the **Black Rock** , and that’s the ship she’s talking about that ran aground? Maybe she’s 140 years old, and the island or a drug she took keeps her alive. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/314 "2005-09-24T20:18:26Z")
Oh, and I wonder if the island isn’t being used as a laboratory? That would explain the quarantine inside the hatch, and it would also explain the polar bear - maybe they bring all sorts of animals to the island to test how the drug works on them. And the plane crash was engineered to give them a collection of human subjects to work with. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/315 "2005-09-24T20:48:02Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > didn’t the words on the back of Sayid’s photo of his “girlfriend” say “see you in another life”? I think it was “We’ll meet again, in this life or the next” ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/316 "2005-09-24T21:14:08Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > No one remembers exactly what happened, do they? No one stayed conscious all the way down. Early in the pilot, recapping events, Jack says, “I blacked out and missed the tail section breaking off,” and Kate responds, “I was awake for the whole thing.” Her flashback shows her pinned in her seat, grimacing and conscious, as the plane goes down. Plus she had a good head start on getting those handcuffs off. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/317 "2005-09-24T21:37:01Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Oh, and I wonder if the island isn’t being used as a laboratory? That would explain the quarantine inside the hatch, and it would also explain the polar bear - maybe they bring all sorts of animals to the island to test how the drug works on them. And the plane crash was engineered to give them a collection of human subjects to work with. That’s something that occured to a lot of us early on. The problem with any theory I’ve come up with is that none explains \*\*everything \*\*that has happened. It’s easy to come up with a theory that explains this or that or this combination of things, but the correct theory has to be all encompassing. I’m beinging to wonder if the writers have several possible explanations to offer and haven’t decided themselves which it will be. Assuming, of course, that they’re not just making all this shit up. And surely there are many gratuitous references to the numbers, like Rutherford’s time of death and the aisles in the toy store that Locke refers to when he first meets his mother. You gotta sift through the chaff to find the wheat here. In that light, I think the best way to figure out what’s going on is to focus on only the most bizzar aspects of the story and see if a theory can be devloped to explain them. I wonder if we’ll get some clues from Desmond in next week’s episode… ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/318 "2005-09-24T22:11:47Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Wouldn’t it be interesting if Rousseau was actually a passenger on the **Black Rock** , and that’s the ship she’s talking about that ran aground? Maybe she’s 140 years old, and the island or a drug she took keeps her alive. She would have to be lying (a possibility). She said she followed a broadcast signal to the island. That would be impossible on the Black Rock. I tend to believe she was telling the truth. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/319 "2005-09-24T23:21:01Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I think it was “We’ll meet again, in this life or the next” And, before they went into surgery, didn’t Locke’s dad say something like “see you on the other side”? ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2005, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/320 "2005-09-24T23:48:10Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > And, before they went into surgery, didn’t Locke’s dad say something like “see you on the other side”? And of course Desmond said ‘See you in another life’. Iiiiinteresting. Don’t know what it means, but interesting all the same. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631.md?page=17)