# Lost 2.1: "Man of Science, Man of Faith" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 21, 2005, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631 "2005-09-21T00:46:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![AndyPolley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@AndyPolley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndyPolley)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/141 "2005-09-22T12:22:20Z")
I just watched the Walt & Shannon scene again (very Twin Peaksy) and there is nothing to make out of his whispering…it sounds like it’s being played in reverse. Of course, we can make something out of him speaking in reverse, right? I think that Desmond was injecting himself with an antidote to the sickness that claimed Danielle’s crew. The Island itself was quarintined. I’m still trying to figure out the significance of Desmond washing his dishes from the night before first thing in the morning when he clearly has a dishwasher in that kitchen of his. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Big\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e4f/32.png) [@Big\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Big_G)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/142 "2005-09-22T12:24:02Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > I have a feeling that we’re going to hear some more about the driver of the SVU that Jack’s future ex-wife plowed into. They were discussing **Lost** on the local morning show and i caught the end of thier theory about the SUV driver. They though he was Boone’s father, I think because of the guy’s last name. I might have misunderstood, but that might be something to check into. Big G ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/143 "2005-09-22T12:26:51Z")
> [@Jurph](#): > > We’ve solved the coincidence of how Hurley got the numbers… but we were never told why Rousseau’s tribe were broadcasting the numbers. Maybe they were begging to be air-dropped some more vaccine? Trying to warn others away? Actually, Rousseau’s team changed course to investigate the broadcast of the numbers, and were shipwrecked. She later changed the transmission to the distress call you heard in S01E01. So someone was already transmitting the numbers before she and her crew got there. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/144 "2005-09-22T12:50:20Z")
> [@Big G](#): > > They were discussing **Lost** on the local morning show and i caught the end of thier theory about the SUV driver. They though he was Boone’s father, I think because of the guy’s last name. I might have misunderstood, but that might be something to check into. I didn’t get a chance to go back and re-listen, but my brain is telling me that the SUV driver’s last name was Rutherford–if I’m right, that makes him either Shannon’s father or the man she was briefly married to (but by Jack’s hair, that flashback took place well before Shannon could have been of marriageable age). ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/145 "2005-09-22T13:02:31Z")
In the first hour re-cap show that preceeded the season premier, I noticed that the cover of the comic book that Walt is reading on the beach was optically blurred out. Anybody remember, or can check, to see if that has always been the case? ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/146 "2005-09-22T13:03:03Z")
> [@AndyPolley](#): > > I just watched the Walt & Shannon scene again (very Twin Peaksy) and there is nothing to make out of his whispering…it sounds like it’s being played in reverse. Of course, we can make something out of him speaking in reverse, right? On a local radio show here, they said that Walt said something like, “Press the button … no button is bad.” Could that _possibly_ be right? And if so, could the alleged “button” be the EXECUTE button that Jack didn’t press last night because Locke told him not to? ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/147 "2005-09-22T13:05:16Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > … no button is bad." Is that “No button is bad” or “No!! Button is bad!!” 'Cause I wouldn’t know which way to take it, if I’d understood it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bradministrator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a698b9/32.png) [@bradministrator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bradministrator)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/148 "2005-09-22T13:08:13Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > I didn’t get a chance to go back and re-listen, but my brain is telling me that the SUV driver’s last name was Rutherford–if I’m right, that makes him either Shannon’s father or the man she was briefly married to (but by Jack’s hair, that flashback took place well before Shannon could have been of marriageable age). ER dude: “Adam Rutherford, 57, chest trauma, no breath sounds” ---
**Author:** ![TommyTutone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c4cdca/32.png) [@TommyTutone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TommyTutone)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/149 "2005-09-22T13:11:45Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > What’s the deal with 108? > > Is this the same Desmond who Jack saw back home? That was definitely Desmond in the hatch (or at least a twin). 108 = 4 + 8 +15 + 16 + 23 + 42 ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/150 "2005-09-22T13:13:45Z")
> [@Hurley](#): > > Look in the burning death hole. Am I the only one that shouted “Band Name!”? ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/151 "2005-09-22T13:14:08Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > In the first hour re-cap show that preceeded the season premier, I noticed that the cover of the comic book that Walt is reading on the beach was optically blurred out. Anybody remember, or can check, to see if that has always been the case? No, it hasn’t - my husband noticed the same thing. Oh, and **Draelin**? I’ve heard the same thing about the driver’s last name. And IIRC, Shannon’s dad died when she was in her teens, and left all his money to Boone’s mom … _dun-dun-duuuuuuuuuuuuuun._ On preview … I don’t know. The guys on this radio station are huge fans of the show, but they’re also known fatheads, so I don’t know whether to trust them or not. They could be making the whole think up just to yank our collective chains. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/152 "2005-09-22T13:16:18Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > In the first hour re-cap show that preceeded the season premier, I noticed that the cover of the comic book that Walt is reading on the beach was optically blurred out. Anybody remember, or can check, to see if that has always been the case? I thought I noticed that too. That was weird. If you actually want to read the comic, you can find it [here](http://www.lostlinks.net/comic/comic1.htm). WARNING: The site uses hi-res jpg files (average size is over 200K). Might slow down some computers. ---
**Author:** ![Ass\_For\_A\_Hat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Ass\_For\_A\_Hat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ass_For_A_Hat)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/153 "2005-09-22T13:17:43Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > Actually, Rousseau’s team changed course to investigate the broadcast of the numbers, and were shipwrecked. We don’t yet know the whereabouts of her wrecked ship, do we? > [@Flutterby](#): > > …but would Walt want to communicate with him when Locke already did what he told him not to do? > > I’m also very certain that one of the voices said ‘Vincent’ just before Walt appeared. Walt doesn’t know about the hatch yet, does he? It could be that the “others” were kind enough to let him come back for his dog. Maybe there’s something “special” about Vincent too. The fact that the button is labelled ‘execute’ has to be of some siginificance. My recollection of early '80s computers is pretty foggy, but I don’t recall ‘execute’ on any keyboards that I ever saw. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/154 "2005-09-22T13:20:31Z")
> [@bradministrator](#): > > ER dude: “Adam Rutherford, 57, chest trauma, no breath sounds” Then that _has_ to be Shannon’s father. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/155 "2005-09-22T13:26:27Z")
there are a few images of the “numbers” from 2:1 on [this site](http://www.thetailsection.com/) ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/156 "2005-09-22T13:26:43Z")
Regarding Walt… When have we had people hearing the voices? Shannon all exhaused, Sayid wounded, sick, and exhausted, Sawyer when he was…abruptly woken up and chasing a boar…was he fighting off an infection from Sayid’s knife at that point? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Innuendo\_Hunter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Innuendo\_Hunter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Innuendo_Hunter)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/157 "2005-09-22T13:29:41Z")
> [@thwartme](#): > > In case anyone’s interested, lyrics for “Make Your Own Kind Of Music” by the Mamas And The Papas are [here.](http://www.lyrics007.com/The%20Mamas%20&%20the%20Papas%20Lyrics/Make%20Your%20Own%20Kind%20Of%20Music%20Lyrics.html) . Thanks My wife and I were wrong about the song. We were WAG’ing big time, but I thought it was **Helen Reddy** , my wife thought it was **Dusty Springfield**! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/158 "2005-09-22T13:35:14Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > there are a few images of the “numbers” from 2:1 on [this site](http://www.thetailsection.com/) Interesting. The symbol looks like the I Ching in an octagon with the Yin/Yang in the centre. Can anyone confirm? ---
**Author:** ![fusoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecccb3/32.png) [@fusoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fusoya)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/159 "2005-09-22T13:50:03Z")
wow, four pages and nobody’s brought this up yet? Am I the only one disappointed that we didn’t get ANY kind of check in with the raft guys? I saw Daniel Kim in the credits so they probably aren’t dead yet, but if they pull another one of these keep-the-character-off-the-show-for-long-enough-that-you-presume-they’re-dead tricks and then have them show up back on the island next month, or just decide to have a scene with them in the middle of the ocean four episodes later, then I am done watching this show. I broke a dish when I threw it at the TV (fortunately my aim sucks and I hit the wall) when Claire showed up again last season. In this case, I won’t be HAPPY if they’re dead, but if they aren’t, it’s just being cheap leaving their story off the show. The writers WILL redeem themselves if they end up showing up again in the finale with a rescue team…but of course, if that happens, then no more show. Also, another nitpick, but why isn’t ABC airing this show in widescreen? I watched season 1 in a marathon over the summer via use of a means that won’t be mentioned here, and those episodes were in widescreen, and I couldn’t watch last night’s episode due to the horrible cropping on my non-HDTV…so I had to wait an hour and half until that alternate method was available to me. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631/160 "2005-09-22T13:50:47Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > When have we had people hearing the voices? Shannon all exhaused, Sayid wounded, sick, and exhausted, Sawyer when he was…abruptly woken up and chasing a boar…was he fighting off an infection from Sayid’s knife at that point? Danielle has also heard the voices, which implies you need to be sleepy or batshit crazy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-1-man-of-science-man-of-faith/322631.md?page=9)