# Lost 2.10: "The 23rd Psalm" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 11, 2006, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422 "2006-01-11T02:18:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![flex727](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/258eb7/32.png) [@flex727](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flex727)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/101 "2006-01-12T15:44:15Z")
Anybody notice that there was absolutely no mention of the numbers during the recap episode? I also noticed that they were only barely mentioned (i.e. once) during the last recap episode. For something that figured so prominently during the previous episodes, it is certainly being ignored now. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/102 "2006-01-12T15:47:09Z")
> [@thwartme](#): > > That’s what I meant by referring to Michael Crichton’s novel _Prey_ in my earlier comment. Oh, ok, I haven’t read that one. There’s some similar stuff in _The Diamond Age_ by Neal Stephenson. > [@av8rmike](#): > > Where did this idea come from? It just seems like a decent super-science explanation. The cloud could be lots of things, but that makes the most sense to me at the moment. For example, it could be a hologram or a hallucination or something, but that doesn’t seem to make sense since the cloud has had actual physical effects on things. ---
**Author:** ![rainy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c2a13f/32.png) [@rainy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rainy)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/103 "2006-01-12T15:52:11Z")
> [@DoctorJ](#): > > Are we sure it was years ago? My impression at the time was that it was maybe a few days between when the heroin plane departed and when Eko went to find them, if that. > > Those bodies were certainly not years decomposed. Two months or so would be a lot closer. I don’t think we can rely on the state of decomposition as a accurate indicator of time. I’m thinking that on a tropical island bodies should be gone in a relative flash. Like whats-his-name that Anna skewered. I would have thought that he’d be sludge by the time that Jin saw him with Eko. And none of these bodies show any real signs of scavengers getting at them. And Eko’s attitudes / demeanor seemed like time had passed and he had changed. -rainy ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/104 "2006-01-12T16:00:12Z")
Rumors are swirling that… Clancy Brown. Will be guest starring in the future. Please let this be true. Wouldn’t he be perfect as the leader of the others? Just the thought of it is giving me chills. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/105 "2006-01-12T16:02:10Z")
I imagine the images have something to do with the [Hanso Foundation](http://thehansofoundation.org/activeproject.html) Accelerated Remote Viewing Training Facility. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/106 "2006-01-12T16:07:41Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s the creature from The Abyss! It reminded me of the “id monster” from The Outer Limits episode _The Man with The Power_ with Donald Pleasance. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/107 "2006-01-12T16:19:10Z")
**av8rmike: It’s the creature from The Abyss!** Raise your hand if you think it was a Nigerian smoke tentacle… Hurley’s crush… I wonder if she recognizes him for having won the lottery? Or is it just, “Here’s a man who knows how to find food…” **SenorBeef: why does michael have to be alone?** Maybe because Walt knows there’s another mole… **borchevsky: Also, did anyone else hear the drug deal guys mention Sayid right before they got Eko-slashed? I don’t even remember the exact context of it now, but I was sure I heard Sayid’s name.** I heard it too… \*\*flex727: Where are the numbers??? \*\* That’s in keeping with the above-stated point that it’s supposed to be about the characters, and that the writers have also said the numbers don’t necessarily mean anything, and we’re all a bunch of retentive geeks for trying to read too much into this. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/108 "2006-01-12T16:31:32Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Raise your hand if you think it was a Nigerian smoke tentacle… 😃 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Valerieblaise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@Valerieblaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Valerieblaise)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/109 "2006-01-12T16:33:58Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > **borchevsky: Also, did anyone else hear the drug deal guys mention Sayid right before they got Eko-slashed? I don’t even remember the exact context of it now, but I was sure I heard Sayid’s name.** > > I heard it too… I heard it as well, and my mind didn’t even go to Sayid from the island. I immediately thought of the character of Kareem Sayid on “Oz,” a Muslim prisoner that Adebesi (Adewale’s character) admired - who eventually killed Adebisi. Of course, it’s probably a coincidence, but seeinging Adewale play another bad guy in the flashbacks put me in that frame of mind. Now, of course I’m wondering about what connection he could possibly have to the “Lost” Sayid, and I got nothing there. ---
**Author:** ![Psycho\_Pirate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Psycho\_Pirate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Psycho_Pirate)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/110 "2006-01-12T16:55:13Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > I suppose it’s conceivable they had to switch planes. After all, the statues and everything else was correct. They didn’t switch planes. Eko’s bloody handprint was still on the wall next to the door. Occam’s razor suggests it is likely just a continuity/production problem. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/111 "2006-01-12T17:05:16Z")
So can we presume that Walt is being held at one of the other Dharma sites? If so, what does this say about the sightings of Wet Walt? Michael’s using the computer for Unapproved Purposes…is the world going to end, or was the guy on the film just blowin’ smoke? ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/112 "2006-01-12T17:17:57Z")
> [@Psycho Pirate](#): > > They didn’t switch planes. Eko’s bloody handprint was still on the wall next to the door. Ah, yes. You are correct. How exactly did they refer to Sayid? I missed that part. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/113 "2006-01-12T17:22:03Z")
> [@Psycho Pirate](#): > > They didn’t switch planes. Eko’s bloody handprint was still on the wall next to the door. > > Occam’s razor suggests it is likely just a continuity/production problem. That, and probably a logistics thing. The plane in the jungle is a crashed plane, and the one taking off from the airstrip was in working condition. Probably not as easy to take that “plane wreck” prop and move it to another site, and have it roll down the tarmac like it’s taking off – as to just use another airplane of the same make. Of course, they could have just painted the same numbers on it, but maybe that prop guy called in sick the day of shooting, and it didn’t get done… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/114 "2006-01-12T17:26:11Z")
Wow, what a great episode! Eko gets such a cool backstory, too. But we still don’t know exactly why he was in Australia. Were the drugs supposed to be brought there eventually? Surely that plane couldn’t fly from Nigeria to Australia (without refueling somewhere). Does anyone have pics of the tail section of the Nigerian plane(s) that show the different numbers? Could the plane have two sets of numbers (one on one side and one on the other)? ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/115 "2006-01-12T17:36:38Z")
> [@flex727](#): > > Anybody notice that there was absolutely no mention of the numbers during the recap episode? I also noticed that they were only barely mentioned (i.e. once) during the last recap episode. For something that figured so prominently during the previous episodes, it is certainly being ignored now. I missed part of it, but when Locke went into the gun cabinet to change the combination, there was a quick shot of him using the numbers to open it. But we already knew that one. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/116 "2006-01-12T17:41:10Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > For example, it could be a hologram or a hallucination or something, but that doesn’t seem to make sense since the cloud has had actual physical effects on things. Yeah, I don’t know too many holograms that can rip trees up by their roots. And I’m wondering where the trees are going? I don’t recall seeing any of them actually land. ---
**Author:** ![MrsMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e8cbc/32.png) [@MrsMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrsMonkey)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/117 "2006-01-12T17:43:29Z")
On another message board I found a link to a site with images of the black smoke: [http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6056](http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6056) ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/118 "2006-01-12T17:45:05Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Wow, what a great episode! Eko gets such a cool backstory, too. But we still don’t know exactly why he was in Australia. Were the drugs supposed to be brought there eventually? Surely that plane couldn’t fly from Nigeria to Australia (without refueling somewhere). The Island isn’t anywhere near Australia. Or Los Angeles. Or Nigeria. Or anywhere else on Earth. ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/119 "2006-01-12T17:49:27Z")
> [@MrsMonkey](#): > > On another message board I found a link to a site with images of the black smoke: > > [http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6056](http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6056) Wow. Hmm, maybe that’s why he says he’s a Priest at the end? The images he saw as some kind of revelation about himself and what he should do. Which only makes me wonder more what sort of images Locke saw, and what revelation he got from it. ---
**Author:** ![Psycho\_Pirate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Psycho\_Pirate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Psycho_Pirate)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2006, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422/120 "2006-01-12T17:58:27Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > So can we presume that Walt is being held at one of the other Dharma sites? If so, what does this say about the sightings of Wet Walt? I have my own theory about Walt. I haven’t kept up with these threads, so more than likely this theory has already been hashed out and forgotten about, but in case it hasn’t, I’ll post it in a spoiler box below. As much fun as it is to come up with weird theories about where Walt is and what is happening to him, the obvious reason for this subplot is that the actor who plays Walt is a small child, and it is too difficult to have him in every episode because small children grow too quickly. This is probably the same reason the small children were taken from the Tailies. It wouldn’t make any sense for Walt to grow eight inches in “a few months” of island time, so they have to come up with something to remove him. My guess is that he will never be back in a full time role, or if he is, he will have been “aged” by “The Others”, perhaps as part of the “Hanso Foundation Life-Extension Project.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-10-the-23rd-psalm/339422.md?page=7)