# Lost 2.11: "The Hunting Party" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 18, 2006, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518 "2006-01-18T16:25:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/81 "2006-01-19T15:04:37Z")
I thought the whole confrontation wth the ‘others’ was poorly done. First of all, _don’t you have any questions for them, guys?_ Why in heck did they seem completely uninterested in A) how the ‘others’ got on the island, and B) What in hell is going on? And what, no negotiations? Bluebeard says, “Start a fire, we’ve got some talking to do”. I fully expected the next scene to be a sit-down around a campfire where some secrets are revealed, perhaps a pact is made, or at least there’s an attempt to understand each side’s point of view. But no… They remain mysterious, turn over Kate, and that’s it? Everyone just goes their own way. And now Jack is going to raise an army against them? WTF? That’s simply suicidal. These people have resources Jack doesn’t know about, he has no idea how many of them there are, they’re obviously totally at home on the island, well armed, and able to move in groups of 10 without Locke or anyone else know they are there. It all just seems way too contrived. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/82 "2006-01-19T15:06:12Z")
What I want to know is how the Others got those torches to all light and extinguish on cue? Have you ever tried that? It’s impossible, unless they were all gas fueled. In that case, where are the Others getting the natural gas? ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/83 "2006-01-19T15:10:19Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > See, that doesn’t make sense to me either. In that scenario the bolts are accessabile to them while they are locked in the gun locker, so thay can (for instance) try smashing them open with the but of a gun or something. If he really thinks they’ll never open it, why not just say he bolted it shut. Why specify “from the inside”?. I’m thinking it’s just because he didn’t happen to have a wrench or a screwdriver with him. Without a wrench, he wouldn’t be opening the vent. If he had a screwdriver, he could have opened the lock from the inside. We know he knows how from last week’s episode. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/84 "2006-01-19T15:13:28Z")
They clearly have diesel or gasoline to power their boat. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/85 "2006-01-19T15:31:45Z")
Since Michael was headed north instead of east, I guess that means that he was getting instructions from the IM chat sessions. Is Sayid the only one that knows the CFL’s daughter’s name was Alex? Too bad they didn’t bring Sayid on this hunting trip. He could have given Alex the word that her moms was looking for her. I’m thinking that Ethan was part of a different group than the Bluebeard clan. Mr. Friendly didn’t seem too put out by the mention of the name. More like he gained a little intel about a rival group. In the preview thay showed a blond chick tossing her hair. Was that Libby? If so, she sure cleaned up nice. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/86 "2006-01-19T15:38:35Z")
I posted most of this in the Lost questions thread, but I figured there’d be more discussion here: Yay! They actually pointed out that Cindy got taken less than a mile from camp! When Sawyer called the Other “Zeke” was that just a nickname, or does he know him from previously? Did Sawyer get shot first, or was he hit with his own bullet? I notice that Zeke didn’t acknowledge Ethan as being one of his crew, so there may be more than one band of Others on the island. It may not have been The Others, it might be Some Others… Oh, and once again, if you need to keep a secret, shoot Hurley first. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/87 "2006-01-19T15:41:05Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Why wasn’t Jack for questioning? Like “Who are you?”(1), “How did YOU get on the Island?” I understand why the writes didn’t want those answered, but Jack could have ASKED. And couldn’t he have said “We didn’t WANT to be on this Island” Yeah, that was pretty lame of those guys not to ask, although I doubt BB would have been any help. I don’t think The Others want the outside world to know about the island. I also think they are studying the Lost-aways in some way, and don’t want them to leave either. They want them as guinea pigs. And of course Locke doesn’t want to get off the island, either, so we couldn’t have expected him to ask. Why didn’t Jack bring Sayid with him, I wonder… ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/88 "2006-01-19T15:48:12Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Why didn’t Jack bring Sayid with him, I wonder… I wondered this for a minute. But Jack was in a hurry, to be sure, and probably didn’t have time to look for Sayid. In addition, Shannon’s been dead two days. Sayid’s got bigger things on his mind. ---
**Author:** ![RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/53a042/32.png) [@RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RancidYakButterTeaParty)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/89 "2006-01-19T15:55:33Z")
Going back to the days of number insanity, did anyone catch the combination that Locke called out to Sawyer? ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/90 "2006-01-19T15:56:31Z")
I think it is very possible that Ethan is part of Goodwin’s group and BB is part of another group. Maybe they were from different projects. So doing a census of the different factions on the island (alive or dead), allowing for possible overlap: The Losties. The Tailies. The French Crew (Danielle, Alex) Adam and Eve The (Possible) Crew of the Black Rock The Nigerian Plane Crash BB’s Crew Goodwin’s Crew (the cult like others) Jack’s Dad (possible hallucination) Desmond and the guy before him who died TCM Sharks, Horses and Bears…oh my! It makes me wonder why Danielle said she had never seen the Others. Which ones are considered “Others” may be up for debate, but why was she surprised at seeing people? They seem to be all over the place. I’m surprised no one has opened a Starbucks in the island. It would probably do good business. Did I miss anyone? ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/91 "2006-01-19T16:02:49Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > But after that, why not just say, “Okay, no problem, we’ll stay on this side of the line?” Sounds like a sweet deal to me. [ul] [li]The Tailies have kidnapped and are holding several children, including Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalt[/li][li]The Tailies made one effort to kidnap Aaron, and may do so again; and[/li][li]The Others have killed several Losties without apparent motivation.[/li][/ul] The are a threat, and what incites their lethal violence can’t be foretold. So, you must kill them all. Sua ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/92 "2006-01-19T16:03:12Z")
> [@RancidYakButterTeaParty](#): > > Going back to the days of number insanity, did anyone catch the combination that Locke called out to Sawyer? The first two numbers were 25 and 29, I think, but I lost it after that. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/93 "2006-01-19T16:08:35Z")
> [@Team of Scientists](#): > > How are they gonna get away with training an army without the Others knowing about it? They aren’t. > [@Frylock](#): > > I understand Jack’s initial beligerance (sp?)–it forced Bluebeard to tip his hand. Okay. > > But after that, why not just say, “Okay, no problem, we’ll stay on this side of the line?” Sounds like a sweet deal to me. There’s that whole “getting Walt back” thing… > [@middleman](#): > > Did I miss anyone? The Nosies. The pilot survived, and there were empty seats. It’s unlikely but not inconceivable (“you keep using that word…”) that somebody crawled out of the wreckage and has been surviving alone, or just with a few others, all this time. The Losties probably never went back to do a detailed search of the nose section, so they wouldn’t necessarily have hooked up with them; that rainstorm would have wiped away Jack, Kate & Charlie’s tracks. ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/94 "2006-01-19T16:17:25Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > I wonder do they get online Thursday morning and check to see what got noticed? I was just listening to the Podcasts from ABC this week and in the first or second one they mention that they like to hear what the people are saying about it and when they write the episodes they put in more/fill out the stuff people have latched on to. I did notice Alex, I just wish I had someone to watch Lost with! I like being able to make comments and have someone make comments in return. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/95 "2006-01-19T16:36:23Z")
I’ve done some thinking about Sarah’s affair. Given the usual coincidences, chances are good that whoever she was seeing is somehow connected to all of this. On the island, we have Sawyer, Sayid, Locke, Charlie, Hurley, Michael, Jin, Boone, Eko, and several others. I think the Sawyer answer is too easy, Sayid had never been to L.A., Locke was involved with Helen, Charlie’s not her type, Hurley’s never mentioned his hot blonde girlfriend, Michael lived in New York, Jin lived in Korea, Boone was too young for her and probably wouldn’t have dated the woman who inadvertently caused his stepfather’s death, Eko’s unlikely. I’m willing to bet that whoever Sarah was dating is _not_ on the island (unless it’s Steve or Scott, of course), but that leaves a whole bunch of people we’ve seen in _other_ flashbacks–such as the T-1000 who sent Sawyer to Australia, Jack’s best man, Randy the Jerk who was both Hurley’s boss at the chicken place and Locke’s boss at the box company, and a slew of others. Yeah. I’ve got too much free time on my hands. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/96 "2006-01-19T16:45:38Z")
Who is to say it is a “he”? Didn’t she use the pronoun game? It could be Libby! [sub] Or maybe that is just me hoping for some hot girl on girl action![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/97 "2006-01-19T16:48:08Z")
Does anybody else wonder about those torches that the Others lit up? How do we know each torch represents a person? If, as someone said, there were 10 torches visible, perhaps there were only 5 Others surrounding our boys, each one lighting 2 torches. Is this a hint that there aren’t really that many Others? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/98 "2006-01-19T16:48:40Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Who is to say it is a “he”? Didn’t she use the pronoun game? > > It could be Libby! Or Kate. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/99 "2006-01-19T16:54:06Z")
> [@SuaSponte](#): > > The Tailies made one effort to kidnap Aaron, and may do so again Nitpick / Question: It wasn’t the Tailies (AnaLucia, Eko, and co.). And are we actually sure that the Others tried to kidnap Turniphead (as Aaron will forever and always be known to me) anyway? As I interpreted that sequence of events, they weren’t after “Aaron” so much as they were after “the boy” – and, as it turns out, Aaron was not “ **THE** ” boy they were after. Which is why Claire was returned mostly unharmed (physically, anyway). The needles in Claire’s dreams were memories of tests they did before they determined that, “Oops, we don’t need _this_ kid, our bad, sorry, here you go, have him back, no harm, no foul, oh, and _whoopsie_ about the dead hobbit back there!” Or am I misremembering incorrectly? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/100 "2006-01-19T16:58:50Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Jack is an idiot. **John** , you spelled “Kate” incorrectly. -Joe [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518.md?page=6)