# Lost 2.11: "The Hunting Party" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 18, 2006, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518 "2006-01-18T16:25:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/101 "2006-01-19T17:02:45Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Who is to say it is a “he”? Didn’t she use the pronoun game? You’re absolutely right. How 20th century of me. 🙂 I’m pretty sure she only said “I’m seeing someone.” **rockle** –It was the _Other_ Others (Ethan’s Group) who kidnapped Claire, and Danielle who took Turniphead. As of right now, it seems the Bluebeard Others either don’t know or don’t care about Aaron (although they seem to know pretty much everything going on–I’m sure they know he’s there). I can’t be sure about the needles/testing, but what you say sounds pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![Encinitas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@Encinitas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Encinitas)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/102 "2006-01-19T17:11:50Z")
When all the torches lit up in a circle I thought: “oooo…Tribal Council! I wonder whose torch will be extinguished?” “Who has immunity? Who will be voted off this week?” ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/103 "2006-01-19T17:12:41Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > **John** , you spelled “Kate” incorrectly. > > -Joe What??? Kate saved all their lives by getting captured. That probably wasn’t her plan, but it’s how it worked out. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/104 "2006-01-19T17:19:51Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > **rockle** –It was the _Other_ Others (Ethan’s Group) who kidnapped Claire, and Danielle who took Turniphead. As of right now, it seems the Bluebeard Others either don’t know or don’t care about Aaron (although they seem to know pretty much everything going on–I’m sure they know he’s there). I can’t be sure about the needles/testing, but what you say sounds pretty good. Oh … I am conflating my Others, now. Sorry 'bout that. But we can all agree that it wasn’t the Tailies, right? Also, _where in the world is Carmen Sandiego?_ We haven’t seen her in a while. ---
**Author:** ![Alias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/105 "2006-01-19T17:33:45Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > What??? Kate saved all their lives by getting captured. That probably wasn’t her plan, but it’s how it worked out. Not necessarily. If Kate hadn’t been captured, Jack and co. wouldn’t have had to surrender in exchange for Kate’s life. They could have fought, or at least been able to get more out of Bluebeard. With Kate inserting herself into the situation, they had to give in pretty quick. They had no leverage at all. ---
**Author:** ![RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/53a042/32.png) [@RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RancidYakButterTeaParty)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/106 "2006-01-19T17:40:51Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > The first two numbers were 25 and 29, I think, but I lost it after that. Alright, I’m fairly certain that the last number was 40. And this means… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/107 "2006-01-19T17:45:51Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > **John** , you spelled “Kate” incorrectly. > > -Joe Michael and Charlie, too, apparently. 🙂 > [@middleman](#): > > ``` > I think it is very possible that Ethan is part of Goodwin's group and BB is part of another group. > > ``` That’s what I’ve been thinking all along. ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Tiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Mama\_Tiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Tiger)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/108 "2006-01-19T18:51:25Z")
Okay, a couple of questions: 1. Do we know that Alex is CFL’s daughter? Has she ever specified a gender? If not, why is everyone assuming that because she hasn’t, it’s a girl? 2. Why didn’t they take Eko with them in their search for Michael? He’s as good in the jungle as Locke, plus he’s a big huge strong dude and might be of considerably more help than, say, Sawyer who’s only had about four days to recuperate from his shoulder wound? 3. Why is everything I want to say about this show always in the form of a question? ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/109 "2006-01-19T19:06:35Z")
Eko wasn’t in the hatch when Jack decided to go out looking for Michael. It was very much a spur of the moment deal. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/110 "2006-01-19T19:37:46Z")
> [@Mama Tiger](#): > > 1. Do we know that Alex is CFL’s daughter? Has she ever specified a gender? If not, why is everyone assuming that because she hasn’t, it’s a girl? Rousseau specified that Alex is a girl. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/111 "2006-01-19T19:44:48Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > I’m willing to bet that whoever Sarah was dating is _not_ on the island (unless it’s Steve or Scott, of course), but that leaves a whole bunch of people we’ve seen in _other_ flashbacks–such as the T-1000 who sent Sawyer to Australia, Jack’s best man, Randy the Jerk who was both Hurley’s boss at the chicken place and Locke’s boss at the box company, and a slew of others. > > Yeah. I’ve got too much free time on my hands. Maybe it was Desmond… ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/112 "2006-01-19T19:45:30Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > I’ve done some thinking about Sarah’s affair. Given the usual coincidences, chances are good that whoever she was seeing is somehow connected to all of this. On the island, we have… You left off the person I think is probably the best candidate: Desmond. He had contact with Jack just before his marriage, and all they talked about was Sarah. This episode contained echoes of that conversation-- Sarah: “You’ll always need something to fix.” Desmond: “What if you _could_ fix her?” Jack also said that he doesn’t believe in miracles, which of course came up again last night. Then, after all that time, Desmond remembers Jack – and he specifically asks how “the girl” is, causing Jack to break down. Anybody else on the island quite so interested in Jack’s marital situation? Desmond just looks like the sort of fella who would cuckold another man at the drop of the hat, too. 🙂 The only problem is that, at least according to fan timelines, Sarah’s accident and Desmond and Jack’s meeting were proximate to Desmond ending up on the island (three years befor the crash), while the wedding was still two years away, and presumably they were married for a while before the split. Stoopid timeline. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/113 "2006-01-19T19:46:41Z")
Oh, hey **Smeghead**. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/114 "2006-01-19T19:48:39Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > The only problem is that, at least according to fan timelines, Sarah’s accident and Desmond and Jack’s meeting were proximate to Desmond ending up on the island (three years befor the crash), while the wedding was still two years away, and presumably they were married for a while before the split. > > Stoopid timeline. Like you say, the timelines don’t match up. Desmond was getting ready for the race when Sarah was still hospitalized. I’ve decided I like the Libby idea best. Poor Hurley. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/115 "2006-01-19T20:00:26Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > Like you say, the timelines don’t match up. Of course, they’re based on the assumption that everybody’s telling the plain truth. Here’s my new theory: Everything revolves around Desmond, who is an world-class playboy and a total heel. His game is wandering around busting up the marriages of inattentive professionals and living off the proceeds of spectacular divorce settlements. Far from being coincidentally washed up on the island, the whole setup is in fact a combination bachelor pad and evil-genius hideaway – with a built-in diversion for enraged husbands who manage to track him down. “Press this button every 108 minutes, or the world will end. Me, I’m off to find my hidden yacht and set sail for Antigua.” The silver-tongued devil. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/116 "2006-01-19T20:03:40Z")
Ok, I want to thow my hat into the ring for a second. Locke seemed very interested in why James Ford chose the name “Sawyer.” I’ve heard of a Sci-Fi author named Robert J. Sawer and since our “Lost” Sawyer has read, A Wrinkle in Time, and Watership Down would it be a stretch he’s read or stuff by R.J. Sawyer? Or that the writers are giving a nod to the guy in some fashion? I haven’t read him so if anyone here has, can you think of any connection? I know I’m really grasping at straws here and have spent waaaaay to many brain cells on this today. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/117 "2006-01-19T20:08:56Z")
Yeah. I considered Desmond as well and realized the time line didn’t matchup. It would be funny if it were Locke’s dad! Also, I have a request. I am having trouble getting my head around the Claire/Aaron kidnapping? It seems to me that there were TWO attempts. Ethan took a pregnant Claire and left Charlie for dead. The Claire is returned in the middle of the night (we think she was rescued by CFL?) Ethan returns, all pissed and Charlie guns him down. Later, once Aaron is born, CFL fakes the black smoke and tries to take Aaron to “The Others” to get back Alex. Sayid and Charlie get him back. CFL says it wasn’t Aaron they were after. (But CFL also said she never SAW the Others. She just heard their whispers. Lot of holes in her plotline). Now we know that Alex is with BB, so maybe CFL wanted to get Aaron away from Ethan and turn him over to BB. That is the best proof we have that BB and Ethan are not teammates. But it seems like there is something missing in my facts. Am I leaving anything out? Was she lying about the black smoke or does that have something to do with the TCM? ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/118 "2006-01-19T20:10:03Z")
> [@The Chao Goes Mu](#): > > Ok, I want to thow my hat into the ring for a second. > > Locke seemed very interested in why James Ford chose the name “Sawyer.” > > I’ve heard of a Sci-Fi author named Robert J. Sawer and since our “Lost” Sawyer has read, A Wrinkle in Time, and Watership Down would it be a stretch he’s read or stuff by R.J. Sawyer? Or that the writers are giving a nod to the guy in some fashion? > > I haven’t read him so if anyone here has, can you think of any connection? > > I know I’m really grasping at straws here and have spent waaaaay to many brain cells on this today. Sawyer was the name of the guy who swindled James’s mom. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/119 "2006-01-19T20:13:11Z")
> [@Mama Tiger](#): > > 1. Do we know that Alex is CFL’s daughter? To clarify, we know CFL’s kid is a girl, but we don’t know that that was CFL’s daughter last night. > [@](#): > > 1. Why is everything I want to say about this show always in the form of a question? I think that’s the writers’ plan… ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518/120 "2006-01-19T20:25:16Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Ethan took a pregnant Claire and left Charlie for dead. The Claire is returned in the middle of the night (we think she was rescued by CFL?) Ethan returns, all pissed and Charlie guns him down. > > Later, once Aaron is born, CFL fakes the black smoke and tries to take Aaron to “The Others” to get back Alex. Sayid and Charlie get him back. CFL says it wasn’t Aaron they were after. (But CFL also said she never SAW the Others. She just heard their whispers. Lot of holes in her plotline). > > Now we know that Alex is with BB, so maybe CFL wanted to get Aaron away from Ethan and turn him over to BB. That is the best proof we have that BB and Ethan are not teammates. I don’t know that Danielle (CFL) knew about Ethan kidnapping Claire (or, for that matter, about _Ethan_). When CFL kidnapped Aaron, it was to turn him over to the Others, who wanted “the boy” – Danielle _definitely_ didn’t know about Walt at that point, so it was obvious to her who the Others wanted. Except, she was _waaaaaaay(lt)_ wrong. There _were_ two kidnapping attempts on Aaron, but only one of them was actually directed at _Aaron_. CFL thought she was kidnapping “the boy” but it turns out she got the _wrong_ boy. (Of course, this also assumes that Ethan was specifically targeting the unborn Aaron, and not also “the boy,” who we later learned was Walt.) (Did I sum it up right _this_ time?) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-11-the-hunting-party/340518.md?page=7)