# Lost 2.12: "Fire + Water" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 25, 2006, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505 "2006-01-25T03:45:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2006, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/1 "2006-01-25T03:45:16Z")
First, the thread rules: > [@](#): > > Information about all episodes aired to this point – including the current week – will be unboxed. > Information about this week’s episode’s “next week” teasers will be unboxed. > Information about future episodes taken from spoiler sites/inside sources will be boxed. This includes links to promo photos and screencaps from future episodes. > Speculation based on events in episodes aired up to this point (including teasers) will be unboxed. > Speculation based on spoilers for upcoming episodes will be boxed. > > Please remember, links inside spoiler boxes are readable even to those who don’t highlight. Based on the previews, this episode should have been titled either “The Dingo Ate My Baby” or “Did You Get the Stuff, Man?” Maybe we’ll get a glimpse of what the Oceanic Army looks like. Anyone wanna bet that there isn’t a power struggle for who commands it? From the ABC “Lost” site: “Fire + Water” When Charlie’s vividly surreal dreams lead him to believe Claire’s baby, Aaron, is in danger, Locke suspects Charlie may be using again. Meanwhile, Sawyer encourages Hurley to act on his attraction to Libby. Some useful links are given below: Thread index for Season 1 Episodes: [1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=277083) [2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=278382) [3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=279542) [4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=280792) [5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=281998) [6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=283328) [7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=284665) [8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=285925) [9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=287237) [10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=289514) [11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=290718) [12](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=295320) [13](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=296591) [14](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=297760) [15](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=301602) [16](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302710) [17](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=303909) [18](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=304986) [19](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=309511) [20](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=310613) [21](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=315048) [22](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=316088) [23](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=317139) [24](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=318051) Thread index for Season 2 Episodes: [1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=335991) [2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=337167) [3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=338307) [4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=339366) [5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=340432) [6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=343878) [7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=345144) [8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=346239) [9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=347177) [10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=353542) [11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=354691) [The Official Lost Jargon Thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=286221) [Official “Lost” Questions Thread, Season 1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=284542) [Official “Lost” Questions Thread, Season 2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=336040) ---
**Author:** ![Broken\_Wind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Broken\_Wind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broken_Wind)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2006, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/2 "2006-01-25T03:53:14Z")
Meanwhile, Sawyer encourages Hurley to act on his attraction to Libby. That can only spell disaster for Hugo. Or a bullet in the shoulder. ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2006, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/3 "2006-01-25T04:47:15Z")
[QUOTE] That can only spell disaster for Hugo.QUOTE] Or for the other person in the spoiler that isn’t a male. Sorry, best I can do with my inability to do spoiler tags. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2006, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/4 "2006-01-25T04:48:41Z")
Or um, my inability to quote. After all these years you’d think I’d know some stuff… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2006, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/5 "2006-01-25T09:15:20Z")
> [@Broken Wind](#): > > Meanwhile, Sawyer encourages Hurley to act on his attraction to Libby. That can only spell disaster for Hugo. Or a bullet in the shoulder. I’m still suspicious of Libby. Do we know she was on the plane? ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2006, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/6 "2006-01-25T14:30:12Z")
Since tonight’s episode is about Charlie, I’m going to continue to hold out hope that we hear “You All Everybody” again. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2006, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/7 "2006-01-25T14:43:19Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I’m still suspicious of Libby. Do we know she was on the plane? I’m very certain I saw her in the water. So, if she is a plant (a foxy plant!) then she’s a hell of a lot better at it than Goodwin. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2006, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/8 "2006-01-25T14:53:34Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > Since tonight’s episode is about Charlie, I’m going to continue to hold out hope that we hear “You All Everybody” again. I’m holding out hope that he looses the power of speech and that his fingers fall off. Retroactively. So I never have to hear that song again. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2006, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/9 "2006-01-25T15:54:44Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > I’m holding out hope that he looses the power of speech and that his fingers fall off. Retroactively. So I never have to hear that song again. Actually, that could be a whole hell of a lot of fun, too! ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2006, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/10 "2006-01-25T19:29:59Z")
Hmm. Interesting tidbits at [Epguides.com](http://Epguides.com) in their episode guides for upcoming episodes. Nothing too spoilery, just bits about who each episode is centered around. The next one, “The Long Con” is a Sawyer-centric episode and airs Feb. 8th. No description for this one. Then comes “One Of Them” which is Sayid’s turn, but no episode description. This one airs the 15th. Then comes one for Claire called “Maternity Leave.” It is also listed as airing Feb. 15th. It says it’s a Claire-centric episode, but the episode descripton says… Wait, I’ll put it in another spoiler box for the truly virginal… Kinda spoilery thing: "More insight on Sawyer’s life as a con man is revealed and Sawyer sets his sights on the recurring lottery girl who pulled out Hurley’s lottery numbers. " Maybe Libby is the Lottery Girl? Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2006, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/11 "2006-01-25T20:36:48Z")
I’ll put this in a box even though it was in the commercial for the show: It seemed to show Charlie setting a fire as a diversion in order to snatch the baby. Of course they would never make a preview misleading. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2006, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/12 "2006-01-25T21:44:23Z")
> [@BiblioCat](#): > > Kinda spoilery thing: > > "More insight on Sawyer’s life as a con man is revealed and Sawyer sets his sights on the recurring lottery girl who pulled out Hurley’s lottery numbers. " > Maybe Libby is the Lottery Girl? Interesting. No. The lottery girl has been seen before. She is the real life wife of the guy that plays Michael. She was in Sawyer’s hotel room when the T-1000 came to send him to Australia. ---
**Author:** ![Antigen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Antigen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antigen)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/13 "2006-01-26T02:08:55Z")
Hmmm. We know people’s dreams mean a lot on this island… ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/14 "2006-01-26T02:09:21Z")
Charlie’s getting jeeeeealoussssss! “Here I am, a famous rock star. And I’m losing my favorite bird to some old bald-headed guy… I all, everybody!” ---
**Author:** ![Antigen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Antigen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antigen)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/15 "2006-01-26T02:13:06Z")
I know it’s incredibly silly of me, but I’d like to believe that the show’s writers stole the term “Tailies” from the Dope. ---
**Author:** ![Achren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@Achren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achren)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/16 "2006-01-26T02:13:52Z")
> [@Antigen](#): > > I know it’s incredibly silly of me, but I’d like to believe that the show’s writers stole the term “Tailies” from the Dope. Just heard that here - had the same thought! ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/17 "2006-01-26T02:14:13Z")
Heh – Hurley is calling them “Tailies” too. Wonder if that came from the show producers reading the online chatter… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/18 "2006-01-26T02:21:12Z")
Who was Charlie’s mother supposed to be in that little tableau? I’m guessing that Claire = B.V.M., but Ma Meghan = ? And were there two birds, or only one? I saw the white dove - was there also a crow? ---
**Author:** ![Achren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@Achren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achren)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/19 "2006-01-26T02:23:46Z")
I’d guess Elizabeth or [St. Anne](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01538a.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/20 "2006-01-26T02:24:55Z")
I think we’re going to find that Charlie has overprotective feelings for the baby because of something in his past regarding his brother’s baby (and his irresponsible brother). [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505.md?page=2)