# Lost 2.12: "Fire + Water" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 25, 2006, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505 "2006-01-25T03:45:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/41 "2006-01-26T04:07:28Z")
> [@buncombe](#): > > But yeah, not much happened in this episode, except that Locke seemed scarier. What was he doing in the bunker, with the wee tool thing? Messing around with the lock? With the timer to the countdown thing? Seemed to be changing the combonation on the weapons locker again because he was hiding the drugs/statues in there. ---
**Author:** ![buncombe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@buncombe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buncombe)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/42 "2006-01-26T04:11:02Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Seemed to be changing the combonation on the weapons locker again because he was hiding the drugs/statues in there. :smack: Ohhhhhhhhh. But, is it really that complicated to change the combination? Not that I would know. I don’t have a bunker-saferoom-weapon room. One day, one day… ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/43 "2006-01-26T04:12:09Z")
I gotta say, this is the first episode of Lost that I thought totally sucked. Nothing about the episode seemed to have any meaning whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/44 "2006-01-26T04:14:32Z")
IIRC Unbaptised babies go to limbo, not purgatory. Actually I think opinion is changing about that as well. Agree mostly a lame episode. Tho I liked: Noticing the washer / dryer Tailies AnaL being direct Eko * * * I would think that even the most female cluelss guy would know how to respond to “do you think I can pull this off”? (esp if she could) Brian ---
**Author:** ![edwino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@edwino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwino)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/45 "2006-01-26T04:40:46Z")
Argh! Tivo out of room. Anybody wish to recap the last 3 minutes or so (and next week’s preview)? From Eko and Claire’s speech? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/46 "2006-01-26T05:00:53Z")
> [@buncombe](#): > > Um, does anyone know what was up with Locke doublechecking his bag after nabbing Charlie’s special hoard? > > He was talking to Claire, and then looked in his bag like he was confused or something. At first I thought, “Hey, Charlie stole his goodies back!” and then I thought, “He’s debating telling Claire about Charlie!” but neither of those seem to match up, quite. The way I read it was… he was about to put the water bottle in the bag, then realized that if he does it carelessly, Claire will see what’s inside. So he paused, then made sure to put it in carefully (e.g. without pulling anything out to rearrange or make room) where the rest of the contents of the bag would not be in her view. ---
**Author:** ![buncombe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@buncombe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buncombe)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/47 "2006-01-26T05:04:29Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > The way I read it was… he was about to put the water bottle in the bag, then realized that if he does it carelessly, Claire will see what’s inside. So he paused, then made sure to put it in carefully (e.g. without pulling anything out to rearrange or make room) where the rest of the contents of the bag would not be in her view. Oh. Yes, that makes perfect sense. ☹ I guess I was looking so intently for “clues” in this rather dull episode that I, um, overdid it. Were Eko’s Special Trees burned down? Aww. ---
**Author:** ![edwino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@edwino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwino)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/48 "2006-01-26T05:25:21Z")
Veronica Mars tonight, last scene, Veronica is looking at a fortune. Remember, this runs on UPN opposite “Lost.” _True love stories never have endings 4 8 15 16 23 42_ ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/49 "2006-01-26T05:32:21Z")
Anyone think that Charlie was acting completely out of character, even by _Lost_ standards. Supposing he actually wasn;t using what the hell is supposed to account for his craziness? I’m waitng for Charlie to have an “Eeeeeerrriiiiiiiiiinnnnnn!!!” moment. ---
**Author:** ![Katriona](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/katriona/32/113_2.png) [@Katriona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katriona)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/50 "2006-01-26T05:34:22Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > You All Every Buddies, the diaper commercial… Ack!!! > > Eko, marking trees, “because these are the ones I like.” HAhahahah! That diaper ad was so many kinds of wrong, I don’t even know where to start counting! And I cracked up at that Eko line, too. After I tried and tried to analyse it for a deeper meaning, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Achren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@Achren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achren)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/51 "2006-01-26T05:37:05Z")
> [@edwino](#): > > Veronica Mars tonight, last scene, Veronica is looking at a fortune. > > Remember, this runs on UPN opposite “Lost.” > > _True love stories never have endings > 4 8 15 16 23 42_ _rewinds, watches scene_ Ha! That’s a great catch **edwino**. That just flew past me. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/52 "2006-01-26T05:37:45Z")
Who did the diaper commercial director say he wanted to use instead of Drive Shaft? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/53 "2006-01-26T06:08:01Z")
Sorry. Not gonna read whole thread before commenting. Me like Eko. Me hate Locke. Locke devil. Locke need to die. Eko need to kill Locke. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/54 "2006-01-26T06:15:28Z")
I can see why people would be upset with Charlie, but come on…Hurley doesn’t even try to get his pal’s side of the story? I was surprised that Locke punched C. three times and that everyone turned their back on him except Jack, who felt he had to do something medical. More nicknames from Sawyer, all for Hurley: Jabba, Hoss, Jethro. Did he use those already? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/55 "2006-01-26T06:22:32Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Anyone think that Charlie was acting completely out of character, even by _Lost_ standards. Supposing he actually wasn;t using what the hell is supposed to account for his craziness? I’m waitng for Charlie to have an “Eeeeeerrriiiiiiiiiinnnnnn!!!” moment. Yep, and here’s my hypothesis. CFL’s prediction is coming true, and the losties are sucumbing, one by one, to “the sickness”. Last week it was Michael. He wasn’t just his usual irritating self-- he was absolutely nuts. And Charlie, too, this episode. I like the reference to the washer/drier being newer-- those writers are efin’ with us… Gottal love Eko. I’m marking the trees. The ones I like. Did Charlie’s fire destroy those trees…??? The diaper scene with DriveSuck was just wrong. Very wrong. I’m getting more and more suspicious of Libby all the time. She was too insistant that she remembered Charlie from the plane. Maybe she’s a Dharma plant, pre-crash. **Note: Next week’s episode is a repeat of “Numbers”.** ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Mann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce73a5/32.png) [@Rich\_Mann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rich_Mann)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/56 "2006-01-26T06:28:24Z")
I, personally, thought that Charlie needed some sense (literally) knocked in to him. I also thought Locke rocked. Locke doesn’t know what the audience knows. He naturally assumes that Charlie is using, nuts, or both. He isn’t stealing Clair and Aaron–he’s protecting them from a drugged-crazed madman. Just because he’s seems to be sort of a guru doesn’t mean he’s not allowed to lose his patience in an extreme situation. ---
**Author:** ![some\_white\_dude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b487fb/32.png) [@some\_white\_dude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/some_white_dude)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/57 "2006-01-26T06:30:32Z")
I’d say Sawyer had the best line of the episode. Something like, “Don’t you have a load you need to drop too?” spoken to Hurley after Libby dropped her laundry. Cracked up my whole Lost-watching gang. He’s quickly become one of my favorite characters this season. ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/58 "2006-01-26T06:47:08Z")
Its about darn time _someone_ noticed the peculiar practically brand-spanking new washer and dryer. But still it seems hardly worth mentioning. Obviously the Dharma folks must be deeply intwined with the Maytag or Whirlpool R&D department. 🙂 I still wonder why the obviously new appliances hardly warrant a second thought for anyone except for the fresh eyes of a tailie. Fairly boring episode, much less exciting than the previews led us to believe last week. Hard to feel sorry for poor ol’ Charlie. Very interesting that Locke didn’t destroy the statues but instead is keeping them intact inside the safe. Gotta wonder what the reasoning is there. ---
**Author:** ![StGermain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stgermain/32/2868_2.png) [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/59 "2006-01-26T06:48:34Z")
I don’t think this requires a spoiler box. Libby is a psychologist - could Hurley recognize her from the mental hospital? This ep didn’t do a whole lot for me, although the visual at the end with Eko and Claire and Aaron was wonderful. StG ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2006, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505/60 "2006-01-26T06:53:50Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Heh – Hurley is calling them “Tailies” too. Wonder if that came from the show producers reading the online chatter… 😉 They were calling them that in the Podcasts right after the Tailies were introduced. 🙂 > [@Antigen](#): > > Unbaptized infants who die end up in purgatory. You know, like this damn island. There’s a deeper meaning here, but i’m too tired to figure it out. Babies go to limbo, but [that’s under discussion](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10287400/from/RL.5/) > [@rockle](#): > > They didn’t have wings, did they? I assumed they were holy figures from the halos, but since they didn’t have wings I never made that connection. Dunno why, but I thought St. Anne was the sister of Mary, and not the mother. Sounds like I got her and St. Elizabeth confused again, dangit. I thought it was only the ‘higher’ angels that had wings? They looked more like Saints to me though… > [@Katriona](#): > > That diaper ad was so many kinds of wrong, I don’t even know where to start counting! > > And I cracked up at that Eko line, too. After I tried and tried to analyse it for a deeper meaning, of course. Very wrong… very very wrong. As for the Eko line, I just thought he decided he liked those ones best to build himself a hut on. 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-12-fire-water/341505.md?page=4)