# Lost 2.14 "One of Them"
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [February 15, 2006, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668 "2006-02-15T19:22:09Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/141 "2006-02-16T16:10:49Z")
> [@fiddlesticks](#):
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> Presumably the powers-that-be can drop a dime on Sayid to Saddam about his role in torturing a superior officer if he doesn’t do their bidding. Thus Sayid better do whatever the Americans ask unless he wasn’t to end up on a painful road to death.
Thanks, but I meant earlier when Clancy shows Sayid his own personnel file. What was in there to make Clancy think that Sayid would make a good torturer, or could be coerced into torturing someone?
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### Author:  [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/142 "2006-02-16T16:11:05Z")
> [@Kythereia](#):
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> And you know this _how_?
\*\* glares at **Kythereia** in a not-at-all suspicious manner \*\*
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### Author:  [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/143 "2006-02-16T16:21:21Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#):
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> Thanks, but I meant earlier when Clancy shows Sayid his own personnel file. What was in there to make Clancy think that Sayid would make a good torturer, or could be coerced into torturing someone?
The fact that Sayid’s CO orchestrated a Sarin gas attack on Sayid’s home town. Sayid would have gladly tortured the man, without even needing to ask any questions, purely for vengeance.
Reminded me of the Emperor’s taunting of Luke… “Your lightsaber… you want it, don’t you?”
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### Author:  [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/144 "2006-02-16T16:45:34Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#):
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> The fact that Sayid’s CO orchestrated a Sarin gas attack on Sayid’s home town.
Confirming this is the way I heard it also. The Kurgan played Sayid a videotape of the town’s chemical suffering and said “your boss is partly responsible for this.”
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### Author:  [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/145 "2006-02-16T16:46:44Z")
(Just to clarify, the “he said” above is a paraphrase.)
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### Author:  [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/146 "2006-02-16T16:51:09Z")
I’m thinking the vulture and hawk glyph could go either way. I keep seeing different representations of it, both head up and head down. However, if **Baraqiyal** is correct, then the transliteration makes it a vulture.
On the other hand, I believe the glyph on the right side that you see as a feather is actually a bi-literal logogram for a “fire drill”. Not as in “everyone out of the building” but as in “the stick you rotate quickly to make a fire”.
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### Author:  [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/147 "2006-02-16T16:53:12Z")
I don’t think there was any “partly” about it. IIRC the statement was “He did it.” Period. That would focus Sayid on one person, an object for his revenge.
I wonder when Danielle is going to get more specific about the “sickness.” We are seeing everybody going more and more to the extremes of their personalities. Is that what happened to her people?
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### Author:  [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/148 "2006-02-16T17:00:00Z")
One of the best lines of the night was when Kate’s dad asked Sayid whether he had done any translating, Sayid replied “not formally.”
Mr. Kate’s response was classic: “the fact that you know the word formally is good enough for me.”
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### Author:  [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/149 "2006-02-16T17:03:49Z")
As far as I am concerned the only way Balloon man could be proven innocent is if Hurley walks in and says, “Hey! I know that guy, I bought his mining company!”.
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### Author:  [@yellowval](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowval)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/150 "2006-02-16T17:23:24Z")
I had the same thought, **Wile E**. I suspect that if Henry Gale really isn’t one of the others, he’s got some connections to others on the island.
Also, if he’s not one of the others, he just gave some important insight into the “sickness.” According to his story, he and his wife crashed on the island four months ago, and she got sick three weeks ago. That could indicate that the physical signs of the illness begin to show themselves after three months or so on the island (or whatever it is that makes people “sick”). What makes some people apparently immune to the sickness? Rousseau said the members of her party got it, yet she was spared. Also, do the others get the sickness as well, or are they immune?
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### Author:  [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/151 "2006-02-16T17:28:41Z")
I wouldn’t tie his story of sickness too securely to Rousseau’s story; Rousseau said they got sick and she had to kill them because of it, so I’m assuming insanity rather than coughing up lungs.
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/152 "2006-02-16T17:30:42Z")
> [@Trion](#):
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> Wouldn’t prove nothing. He could have come here in a balloon four months ago with his wife and _still_ be an Other. Four months is plenty of time to have undergone the Otherification Process.
Meh, good point. Hadn’t thought of that.
However, if they’re going to play that way, they may as well just kill him now since they have absolutely no way of knowing anything, ever.
Sayid seems to be very interested in the guy lying, but who cares? It’s all pointless if you’re right.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@yellowval](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowval)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/153 "2006-02-16T17:42:07Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#):
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> I wouldn’t tie his story of sickness too securely to Rousseau’s story; Rousseau said they got sick and she had to kill them because of it, so I’m assuming insanity rather than coughing up lungs.
I think he said it started with a fever and then she became delirious. That certainly could mean that she lost her mind, and he blamed it on delirium from the fever.
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### Author:  [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/154 "2006-02-16T17:45:46Z")
> [@Wile E](#):
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> Something else just popped into my head, who’s taking care of Vincent these days?
Michael just wandered off into the jungle and nobody seems to care…but you’re worried about the DOG?
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/155 "2006-02-16T17:48:44Z")
> [@jsc1953](#):
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> Michael just wandered off into the jungle and nobody seems to care…but you’re worried about the DOG?
Umm…Michael is far less likeable than that dog.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@Birdmonster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Birdmonster)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/156 "2006-02-16T17:52:40Z")
This was my first time watch Lost live. Damn the commercials. That was a rude awakening.
-I’m not the only person who loathes Jack, am I? So self-righteous, so judgemental, and definately naive. Stick to doctoring, my man.
-Someone asked if Locke is going to tell about the hieroglyphics. I doubt it. I can’t think of anyone he _would_ tell. If only Boone were still alive…
-Hatch guy is totally evil. I demand more torture.
-Sawyer/Hurley plot was the plot-b…iest subplot ever. They could’ve at _least_ stumbled on some whispering or something.
-I’m so happy to see Locke & Sayid in cahoots. This bodes well for the future.
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### Author:  [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/157 "2006-02-16T17:56:12Z")
> [@jsc1953](#):
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> Michael just wandered off into the jungle and nobody seems to care…but you’re worried about the DOG?
Yeah. Michael’s got some sort of dumb luck. Remember he ran around Other-Infested jungle shouting “WAAAALLLLLTTTT!” for hours before Eko and Jin found him. He should have been Other fodder long before then. Obviously, they don’t want him. They’re probably watching him from a distance, laughing and taking bets on how many times he screams “WAAAAALLLLLTTTT!” in an hour.
Poor Vincent, finds boy, loses boy, finds girl, girl gets shot and dies, finds boy’s dad, loses boy’s dad. Poor Vincent.
Hmm … with his luck I think Ana Lucia should be his next caretaker. He’ll lead her right to the TCM!
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### Author:  [@Rachael\_Rage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachael_Rage)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/158 "2006-02-16T17:57:29Z")
> [@Draelin](#):
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> Regarding Kate’s age–I’m guessing she’s supposed to be closer to thirty than twenty. We don’t know how long ago her buddy Tom was killed, but he had managed to become a doctor, and they were the same age, so I think she’s probably older than she looks. As for the picture … well, _I_ look almost the same as I did at age 15, except for the haircut. 🙂
Yeah, now that I think about it I agree she must be in the late-twenties/30 range. I guess I was taking too literally Shannon’s comment from season 1 “What are you, like\* two\* years older than me?” Shannon was just being flattering in her bitchy way.
Aw, Shannon…we miss you. Kind of.
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### Author:  [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/159 "2006-02-16T17:57:52Z")
Yikes! I hope Sawyer isn’t taking care of Vincent.
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### Author:  [@yellowval](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowval)
#### Post date: [February 16, 2006, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-14-one-of-them/344668/160 "2006-02-16T18:00:13Z")
Something else that bothered me from last night’s show. I certainly can’t be the only one wondering who exactly is in Jack and AnaL’s army. He didn’t ask Sayid, or Locke. It doesn’t appear that Jin is involved. I’d think those three would be the first he would approach.
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