# Lost 2.15: "Maternity Leave"
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [March 1, 2006, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631 "2006-03-01T17:12:24Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2006, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/221 "2006-03-06T13:50:07Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#):
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> So I think what we have so far is a bunch of ‘special’ people that were somehow coaxed onto the same plane so that it could be intentionally crashed with some mysterious power that would keep the occupants alive, and then the ‘others’ would dress up as older castaways and sneak in and grab the people they wanted, leaving the rest to fend for themselves.
If their conspiracy is that all-powerful it would have been even easier to mess with the flight bookings in the first place, overbook it with fake people, and have ONLY “good” people on it.
In such a case, they wouldn’t have to get all crafty, infiltrate, and make a list.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2006, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/222 "2006-03-06T14:48:16Z")
Well, \*something was powerful enought to tear the airplane apart in mid-air and gently deposit the passengers at two different locations on the island.
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### Author:  [@AndyPolley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndyPolley)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2006, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/223 "2006-03-06T16:05:20Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#):
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> Well, \*something was powerful enought to tear the airplane apart in mid-air and gently deposit the passengers at two different locations on the island.
_Gently?_ A lot of the passengers form the middle section died upon landing, and the tailies section crashed in the water killing most of them. I can believe that someone or thing forced the plane down, but I can’t believe it was planned to keep the passengers alive.
Unless the plane was gently brought down, everyone on board was drugged, and a crash was staged afterwards. The others (or whoever) would then have scattered the unconscious captives about the wreckage making them believe they were just waking up from a plane crash. If that is somehow the case, it didn’t seem to apply to the tail section folks who had the bad luck of coming to in the water. Not to mention how utterly cold it would be to simply choose to kill off a bunch of folks who were also on board, but these Dharma folks look like they’re at least capable of killing survivors to strike fear into the rest (Ethan) and perhaps kill Claire for her bay-bay as well. They’re some ruthless cats.
If a staged crash is the case, that’d be a crazy twist.
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### Author:  [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2006, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/224 "2006-03-06T16:32:38Z")
> [@mbacko1](#):
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> I always figured that the injections the man in the hatch was giving himself were a stimulant to keep himself awake so that he could push the button.
Then why’d he grab some to take with him when he bolted?
> [@AndyPolley](#):
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> Gently? A lot of the passengers form the middle section died upon landing, and the tailies section crashed in the water killing most of them. I can believe that someone or thing forced the plane down, but I can’t believe it was planned to keep the passengers alive.
Not all of them; just the lucky ones…
> [@Turek](#):
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> Steve.
Good one.
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### Author:  [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2006, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/225 "2006-03-06T16:38:25Z")
> [@AndyPolley](#):
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> _Gently?_ A lot of the passengers form the middle section died upon landing, and the tailies section crashed in the water killing most of them. I can believe that someone or thing forced the plane down, but I can’t believe it was planned to keep the passengers alive.
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> Unless the plane was gently brought down, everyone on board was drugged, and a crash was staged afterwards. The others (or whoever) would then have scattered the unconscious captives about the wreckage making them believe they were just waking up from a plane crash. If that is somehow the case, it didn’t seem to apply to the tail section folks who had the bad luck of coming to in the water. Not to mention how utterly cold it would be to simply choose to kill off a bunch of folks who were also on board, but these Dharma folks look like they’re at least capable of killing survivors to strike fear into the rest (Ethan) and perhaps kill Claire for her bay-bay as well. They’re some ruthless cats.
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> If a staged crash is the case, that’d be a crazy twist.
FWIW, this is exactly the theory I ahve had running in the back of my head for sometime now.
- The attendant specifically told Hurley that he wasnt supposed to be on that flight, alot of things went wrong to try and keep him from the flight.
- If it was a Dharma insignia on the plane.
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### Author:  [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2006, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/226 "2006-03-06T16:44:52Z")
> [@AndyPolley](#):
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> If a staged crash is the case, that’d be a crazy twist.
The only real problem I have with a staged crash is the fact that Kate claimed to have been conscious the whole time (pilot episode, when she and Jack are sitting around the fire discussing the crash). She’s the only person who’s said so onscreen, and I suppose there’s always the possibility that she was lying her little head off, but taken at face value it shoots down the “drug everybody, fake a crash, wake 'em up” idea.
I agree it’s likely that the plane was brought down on purpose, though, so I’m totally on that train. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Plynck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plynck)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2006, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/227 "2006-03-06T16:50:45Z")
> [@Draelin](#):
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> I accept that reruns are a fact of life, as are Major Pre-Emptive Sporting Events and Important Happenings in the News. But somebody needs to tell ABC that “new, rerun, new, rerun, rerun, new, new, rerun, rerun, rerun, who the hell knows” _doesn’t work_. I would rather have two months of new episodes, three months of reruns, and then a push to the finish than this “Damn, is it new this week?” crap.
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> Like I’d _ever_ stop watching, anyway. 😃
I’m showing this Wednesday repeating “Whatever the Case May Be”, and next Wednesday repeating “House of the Rising Sun”. Both from \*last \* season. I wonder what their reasoning is; it’s not like those episodes aren’t available on DVD. :dubious:
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### Author:  [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2006, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/228 "2006-03-06T17:03:21Z")
> [@simster](#):
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> - If it was a Dharma insignia on the plane.
There was that faked NTSB document from the Oceanic Airlines website that listed the flight as having been “crew only”. 'nother words, nobody even knows these people are missing. Dharma seems operate on a scale rivaling S.P.E.C.T.R.E…
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2006, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/229 "2006-03-06T17:08:55Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#):
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> Well, \*something was powerful enought to tear the airplane apart in mid-air and gently deposit the passengers at two different locations on the island.
My theory (I think I posted this in the previous thread): It was the TCM and it’s black cloud. We know that said black cloud can physically grab objects (Locke being gragged thru the jungle), and if you go back to the Pilot episode, there were two pretty good clues that this is what happened. Someone (I think Rose) says the TCM’s weird noises sound very familiar, and if you listen to the background noises as the plane is breaking up (especially in the flashback with Kate in handcuffs on the plane), you do hear very TCM-ish sounds.
Here’s my prediction for what we’ll see in the last epsisode this season:
There will be a camera shot of the plane over the island, and we’ll see the TCM’s black cloud shooting up from the island and not only ripping the plane part and “gently” deposiiting it on the island, but it’ll be reading everyone’s minds as well.
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### Author:  [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/230 "2006-03-06T17:36:27Z")
> [@Draelin](#):
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> The only real problem I have with a staged crash is the fact that Kate claimed to have been conscious the whole time (pilot episode, when she and Jack are sitting around the fire discussing the crash). She’s the only person who’s said so onscreen, and I suppose there’s always the possibility that she was lying her little head off, but taken at face value it shoots down the “drug everybody, fake a crash, wake 'em up” idea.
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> I agree it’s likely that the plane was brought down on purpose, though, so I’m totally on that train. 🙂
There’s also the distinct possibilty that their perceptions of the crash have been altered… perhaps even like a giant amusment park ride… so what they think/believe happened is not neccisarily what did happen.
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### Author:  [@Sir\_Prize](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_Prize)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2006, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/231 "2006-03-06T18:48:54Z")
> [@simster](#):
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> There’s also the distinct possibilty that their perceptions of the crash have been altered… perhaps even like a giant amusment park ride… so what they think/believe happened is not neccisarily what did happen.
Wasn’t the tail section crash on camera? Who was that staged for?
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### Author:  [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2006, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/232 "2006-03-06T19:14:03Z")
> [@Sir Prize](#):
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> Wasn’t the tail section crash on camera? Who was that staged for?
Well, first you have to ask ‘who was doing the filming’, right?
I assume that the crash was filmed, and shown, that way so that the audience (us) feel like we are part of it (the experience) as well.
IOW, we experienced it the same way they ‘think’ they did.
Another point… how/why did all (most of) the seatbelts become undone ‘just right’ so that folks didn’t drown… and why weren;t more passengers complaining of the types of injuries that those seatbelts can cause?
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [March 6, 2006, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/233 "2006-03-06T20:05:11Z")
> [@simster](#):
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> Well, first you have to ask ‘who was doing the filming’, right?
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> I assume that the crash was filmed, and shown, that way so that the audience (us) feel like we are part of it (the experience) as well.
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> IOW, we experienced it the same way they ‘think’ they did.
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> Another point… how/why did all (most of) the seatbelts become undone ‘just right’ so that folks didn’t drown… and why weren;t more passengers complaining of the types of injuries that those seatbelts can cause?
Honestly, if that’s the case we’re entering into copout “You’re seeing what the characters saw, and even though there’s an obvious zipper on the back of the costome the characters didn’t see it so you didn’t either, even though it was really obvious to our THIRD observer who… X-files territory.”
Blech.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)
#### Post date: [March 7, 2006, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/234 "2006-03-07T03:27:48Z")
> [@AndyPolley](#):
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> _Gently?_ A lot of the passengers form the middle section died upon landing, and the tailies section crashed in the water killing most of them. I can believe that someone or thing forced the plane down, but I can’t believe it was planned to keep the passengers alive.
‘Gently’ is a relative term here. This is a jet that was going 500 mph, and _came apart in mid-air_. And yet the majority of passengers survived. In real life, they wouldn’t have had to wait to hit the ground to die - the violence of an airliner disintegrating at cruising speed would have killed them all just about instantly.
A couple of years ago an airplane broke apart at the Reno Air races due to a tail failure. This particular airplane was going a little over 200 mph. The pilot was killed instantly. When a plane breaks apart, the drag it exerts at those kinds of speeds makes it decelerate so fast it’s like being slammed into a brick wall.
Think about it - even if the destructure force of the disintigration didn’t kill them, the tailies survived a fall from maybe 30,000 ft _without wings_.
Comparatively speaking, they landed like a feather.
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### Author:  [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)
#### Post date: [March 7, 2006, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/235 "2006-03-07T08:36:29Z")
> [@John Mace](#):
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> My theory (I think I posted this in the previous thread): It was the TCM and it’s black cloud.
I think the black cloud is sprayed out of giant aerosol can of Dharma Initiative [Ubik](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubik).
Wild new **Ubik** Salad Dressing
Not Italian, not Ranch, but an entirely _new_ and different taste treat that’s waking up the world.
Wake up to **Ubik** and be wild!
Safe when taken as directed.
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### Author:  [@PerditaX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PerditaX)
#### Post date: [March 7, 2006, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/236 "2006-03-07T12:30:05Z")
[QUOTE=Sam Stone]
‘Gently’ is a relative term here. This is a jet that was going 500 mph, and _came apart in mid-air_. And yet the majority of passengers survived.
[QUOTE]
Umm…the plane’s capacity is 352 people (per the Oceanic website), it appeared to be full, and only 60 or so people survived the crash. Last time I checked, that’s not a “majority”…
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### Author:  [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)
#### Post date: [March 7, 2006, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/237 "2006-03-07T14:49:04Z")
[QUOTE=PerditaX]
[QUOTE=Sam Stone]
‘Gently’ is a relative term here. This is a jet that was going 500 mph, and _came apart in mid-air_. And yet the majority of passengers survived.
> [@](#):
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> Umm…the plane’s capacity is 352 people (per the Oceanic website), it appeared to be full, and only 60 or so people survived the crash. Last time I checked, that’s not a “majority”…
There also was not (as far as I could see) 300 Bodies laying about either, and the extent of the survivors injuries (with a couple of notable exceptions) was relatively minor…
and again, the seatbelts were pretty useless… Jack woke up in a stand of bamboo… if the seat belt broke, he showed no signs of the injuries that lap belts can cause… most of the survivors we saw at the initial impact were pretty far away from seats/seatbelts.
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### Author:  [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)
#### Post date: [March 7, 2006, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/238 "2006-03-07T16:13:20Z")
This link has a picture of Locke’s anger management class.
[Link](http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ethanrom4tl.jpg)
Do you think the dude with the bad fro is…
Ethan?
It’s being discussed on a major spoiler site. It’s hard for me to tell.
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### Author:  [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)
#### Post date: [March 7, 2006, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/239 "2006-03-07T16:37:27Z")
> [@Honey](#):
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> It’s being discussed on a major spoiler site. It’s hard for me to tell.
I actually see no resemblance whatsoever. I don’t think it’s him.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [March 7, 2006, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/240 "2006-03-07T16:39:10Z")
> [@Honey](#):
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> This link has a picture of Locke’s anger management class.
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> [Link](http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ethanrom4tl.jpg)
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> Do you think the dude with the bad fro is…
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> Ethan?
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> It’s being discussed on a major spoiler site. It’s hard for me to tell.
No real need for a spoiler on that, since the link is pics from a past episode. But, no, I don’t think that looks like him. The nose is different-- straight in profile as apposed to slightly hooked (kinda like his cousin’s 🙂 )
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