# Lost 2.15: "Maternity Leave"
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [March 1, 2006, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631 "2006-03-01T17:12:24Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/121 "2006-03-02T17:43:03Z")
If there are really six Dharma stations, maybe the other three are located above ground, in plain view on the other side of that line Bluebeard told our guys not to cross.
If anybody had thought to either circumnavigate the island or even climb to the highest point to see if they are even on an island, they’d know a lot more wouldn’t they?
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### Author:  [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/122 "2006-03-02T17:46:36Z")
> [@randwill](#):
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> If anybody had thought to either circumnavigate the island
Watch out for Rousseau’s jungle traps if you do that…
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> or even climb to the highest point to see if they are even on an island, they’d know a lot more wouldn’t they?
watch out for Polar bears…
The point that various characters have made from time to time and everybody always forgets is that the island is, in fact, very very dangerous, particularly since it seems to be chock-full of cranky, hostile, armed people…
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### Author:  [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/123 "2006-03-02T17:47:50Z")
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> Locke really shouldn’t go crashing dishes around where Henry can hear it, especially since that’s exactly the reaction he was going for. That was also a really girly little hissy fit.
Yeah, what’s up with Locke? He used to be so, I don’t know, _ **zen** _. If the Island is getting to him, is there hope for anyone?
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### Author:  [@Hanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hanna)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/124 "2006-03-02T17:48:18Z")
While I enjoyed this episode, I think the plot was weak. Did Claire actually think she could march right into that bunker (which was, when she left, still occupied by people who wanted to cut her unborn child out of her) and take the vaccine? Gun or no gun I think it was a very stupid idea and highly unbeliveable to me. Why did she even think a vaccine that had been injected into her stomach would work to save her baby, and why not bring Jack (who knows about meds) rather than Kate?
This show is losing me.
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### Author:  [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/125 "2006-03-02T17:50:40Z")
> [@Merijeek](#):
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> When he was deliberately being concealed behind the door I said to the girlfriend:
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> Me: That sounds exactly like bluebeard.
I’m sure it was him, although beardless Bluebeard threw me for a loop for just a sec because I don’t think I’ve ever **seen** [M.C. Gainey](http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0301370/) in anything where he was clean shaven. He’s always sported at least a moustache, and quite often a beard, too.
> [@middleman](#):
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> One thing that strikes me is that if the girl from Malcolm in the middle was Alex, and she helped Claire escape, what is she doing firing a gun at Sawyer?
I don’t think there’s any reason to believe that she was the one who fired the gun, specifically. There were a whole bunch of Others out there in that confrontation in the woods, judging by the ring of torches. And we don’t even know that the “Bring her out, Alex!” was the same Alex as Danielle’s daughter, although that seems to be the insinuation. If it was, then why Kate is being restrained by a 16-year old girl, rather than one of the bigger guys… well, that one I don’t know…
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> If alex had been **raised by an Other** (heh)
Oooh, nice. I don’t think that variation of the episode 1x10 title had even occurred to me yet, although it should have.
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### Author:  [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/126 "2006-03-02T17:51:44Z")
Zeke == Bluebeard. It’s in the eyes. If I’m wrong, ban me from SDMB.
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### Author:  [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/127 "2006-03-02T17:54:36Z")
> [@ronincyberpunk](#):
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> Zeke == Bluebeard. It’s in the eyes. If I’m wrong, ban me from SDMB.
Is anyone doubting that the man on the boat, the man who warned Jack and the man in the hall talking to Ethan are same person?
They are all played by the same actor, and are the same character…
…unless he has an EVIL TWIN! :eek:
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### Author:  [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/128 "2006-03-02T17:55:55Z")
There seemed to be some confusion. I guess my time on SDMB is safe yet again.
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### Author:  [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/129 "2006-03-02T17:55:57Z")
> [@cbawlmer](#):
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> Locke really shouldn’t go crashing dishes around where Henry can hear it, especially since that’s exactly the reaction he was going for.
Exactly. Maybe Locke did it deliberately, to try to get Henry to act up and split apart the Lostaways so they can out him as an Other?
Otherwise, that’s… really too freaking obvious.
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### Author:  [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/130 "2006-03-02T18:00:28Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#):
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> Watch out for Rousseau’s jungle traps if you do that…
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> watch out for Polar bears…
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> The point that various characters have made from time to time and everybody always forgets is that the island is, in fact, very very dangerous, particularly since it seems to be chock-full of cranky, hostile, armed people…
By “circumnavigate the island” I meant; walk around the edge on the beach and see if you ended up where you started. You’d never go into a jungle.
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### Author:  [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/131 "2006-03-02T18:08:26Z")
> [@blondebear](#):
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> Yeah, what’s up with Locke? He used to be so, I don’t know, _ **zen** _. If the Island is getting to him, is there hope for anyone?
I also noticed in the scenes for next episode, that for Locke the hatch is no longer “the hatch”… it’s “MY hatch”.
> [@randwill](#):
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> If anybody had thought to either circumnavigate the island or even climb to the highest point to see if they are even on an island, they’d know a lot more wouldn’t they?
They have climbed to higher ground before (in the first two episodes) to try the radio transmission. Although I don’t think it was the high **est** point. One thing I’m interested in that has never come back up – Danielle long ago mentioned that there was a radio tower on the island (episode 1x18 “Numbers”), that it was up by the Black Rock. Well, the Dynamite Retrieval Team has been to the Black Rock, but we didn’t see any radio tower, and nobody has mentioned it since. Although maybe Hurley’s the only one (besides Danielle) who knows, because it was Hurley that she told. And we know how much these folks tell each other about what they’ve learned… 😉
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> in plain view on the other side of **that line Bluebeard told our guys not to cross**.
Speaking of which, now I have a weird scene playing in my head…
**Jack** : What the heck are you talking about?
**Bluebeard** : Walt is not the issue here, Jack! This is about drawing a line, Jack, drawing a line in the sand, where YOU DO NOT CRO… also, Jack… “Others” is not the preferred nomenclature. It’s Island-American, please…
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/132 "2006-03-02T18:11:38Z")
> [@jaderabbit](#):
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> Sun: I bow to your vast experience, but aren’t the baby’s only food sources attached to your chest? Should you really be taking those away from him?
First thing I said to the girlfriend: Isn’t the only source of milk on the island about to go wandering unarmed through the jungle?
Sigh. They need someone to declare themselves dictator and punish stupidity.
-Joe
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### Author:  [@Stainz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stainz)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/133 "2006-03-02T18:23:24Z")
Has anyone here read this week’s EntertainmentWeekly article speculating on Lost? It’s interesting …
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### Author:  [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/134 "2006-03-02T18:24:51Z")
> [@middleman](#):
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> One thing that strikes me is that if the girl from Malcolm in the middle was Alex, and she helped Claire escape, what is she doing firing a gun at Sawyer?
If that was her…
Anyway, Sawyer was drawing a gun. If someone is drawing a gun at you, you’re going to shoot them, whether you wanted to or not to begin with.
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> Maybe she was supposed to help Claire escape. Because I had the same thought as **ivylass**. If alex had been raised by an other (heh), it would seem she would be loyal to them.
Well you can be loyal to people without being able to stomache the idea of helping them kill an innocent…
> [@cbawlmer](#):
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> Locke really shouldn’t go crashing dishes around where Henry can hear it, especially since that’s exactly the reaction he was going for. That was also a really girly little hissy fit.
Yeah, that was a reaaaaaally weak plot device. Out of character for Locke. Especially since Locke knows that the guy is smart, that he’ll lie, manipulate… and he fell for something easy and transparent?
> [@Monstre](#):
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> I don’t think there’s any reason to believe that she was the one who fired the gun, specifically. There were a whole bunch of Others out there in that confrontation in the woods, judging by the ring of torches.
I think they’re referring to the boat incident.
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### Author:  [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/135 "2006-03-02T18:31:47Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#):
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> I think they’re referring to the boat incident.
Well, there’s not any definite reason to believe that Alex was specifically on the boat, either. She certainly wasn’t one of the people in the forefront wielding guns (and now that we’ve seen a young teen who may be Alex, that wasn’t the same person as Molotov Cocktail Girl on the raft).
There’s reason to believe Alex may have been present at the confrontation in the woods (“Bring her out, Alex!”) – but again, I doubt she was the shooter who grazed Sawyer when he pulled his gun.
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### Author:  [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/136 "2006-03-02T18:33:05Z")
> [@Merijeek](#):
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> First thing I said to the girlfriend: Isn’t the only source of milk on the island about to go wandering unarmed through the jungle?
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> Sigh. They need someone to declare themselves dictator and punish stupidity.
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> -Joe
Can’t non-post-pregnancy women be induced to lactate?
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### Author:  [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/137 "2006-03-02T18:33:16Z")
> [@Merijeek](#):
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> First thing I said to the girlfriend: Isn’t the only source of milk on the island about to go wandering unarmed through the jungle?
I said the same thing. What was Sun going to feed him? They don’t have any formula, or even bottles, if Claire had been able to pump some breast milk. She had no idea how long she’d be gone.
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/138 "2006-03-02T18:44:44Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#):
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> Can’t non-post-pregnancy women be induced to lactate?
Anyone? Anyone?
As someone who is neither female, pregnant, nor post-pregnant, I’m not the one to ask. 🙂
-JoE
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### Author:  [@flex727](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flex727)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/139 "2006-03-02T19:00:26Z")
> [@Antigen](#):
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> I have a boyfriend for that.
I know what you mean. Mrs.Flex has a husband for that. :rolleyes:
(and a TiVo)
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### Author:  [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2006, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-15-maternity-leave/346631/140 "2006-03-02T19:01:03Z")
Regarding Alex shooting at Sawyer (or anyone), I’m sure she would do it if the adults told her to. That’s called self-preservation. What a minor does in the presence of authority figures is not necessarily what they would choose to do on their own.
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