# Lost 2.16: "The Whole Truth" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 22, 2006, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440 "2006-03-22T16:03:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![SurrenderDorothy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/surrenderdorothy/32/1221_2.png) [@SurrenderDorothy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SurrenderDorothy)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/81 "2006-03-23T08:07:02Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > HG (pouring cereal): This must be my reward for good behvior, huh? I guess I earned myself some goodwill for finally drawing that map for Ana. > Locke: What map? > HG: To my balloon. > Jack (to Locke): Did you… > Locke: No. > HG (while crunching on dry cereal): Wow, you guys have some real trust issues, don’t you. Guess it makes sense she didn’t tell you. I mean, with the two of you fighting all of the time. 'Course, if I was one of them, these people that you seem to think are your enemies… what would I do? Well, there’d be no balloon. So I’d draw a map to a real secluded place. Like a cave or some underbrush… a good place for a trap. An ambush… And when your friends got there, a bunch of my people would be waiting for them. And then they’d use them to trade for me. I guess it’s a good thing I’m not one of them, huh? You guys got any milk? > > L O S T :eek: oooooh! that sounds intriguing. thank you so much! ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/82 "2006-03-23T12:23:22Z")
> [@SurrenderDorothy](#): > > GAAAAAAAH!!! > > Tivo cut off early!!! > > can anyone tell me what happened at the end? It cut off right when Henry Gale was eating cereal. I don’t even have TIVO, and yet I am fully aware that Lost cuts out early seemingly every single week. I’m astounding people don’t know this yet. Too bad, for you too, because in my opinion, the whole show was 60 minutes of repetitive bullcrap (OH my god. . .MORE Sun and Jin backstory!!!) and 1 minute of something intriguing. Still, that was a good 1 minute. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/83 "2006-03-23T12:31:09Z")
Didn’t Gale make some comment about how Locke and Jack didn’t question anything? I think that was a 😉 to the fans about how no one ASKS ANYTHING!!! The island cured Jin, just like it cured Locke. I thought they ate all the food at the party, after Hurley realized there wasn’t enough to ration? How do they have cereal, candy bars, and ranch dressing? ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/84 "2006-03-23T12:42:02Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > P.S. I am a bona fide heterosexual male, but Daniel Dae Kim sure is one hunky dude, huh? And I am one bona fide heterosexual female, and YES, he is. Stop drooling on my TV boyfriend. 😉 Anyway, I was also wondering why they still have so much food - I thought Hurley gave it all out in “Everybody Hates Hurley.” Locke made some comment that they have lots of food. I don’t think Sun cheated on Jin - she’s been there about six weeks, so she’s probably had one period while there and now has missed one. The island cured Jin just like it cured Locke. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/85 "2006-03-23T12:53:05Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > OK, this is what bugs the shit out of me about _Lost_. Everyone knows that Claire was kidnaped and that The Others have taken all the children. The first thing you do is DON’T EF’N TELL EVERYONE YOU’RE PREGNANT!! Then, don’t leave Sun alone. Ever. Especially not in the very spot she was kidnaped earlier (not everyone knows it was Charlie). Being pregnant on the island is not a happy occaision folks. What good would that do? The Others already know she is pregnant. They are the ones who impregnated her. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/86 "2006-03-23T13:12:15Z")
> [@BiblioCat](#): > > And I am one bona fide heterosexual female, and YES, he is. Stop drooling on my TV boyfriend. ;). Can you pass him over this way on nights when you’re tired or sumthin’? Cause…_DAMN!_ I got the vapors there for a bit! Then Sawyer throws a heapin’ batch of dimples at Sun, and I am one happy hetero! Thanks for the recap of the last minute - I’ll leave off the long explanation of how I lost it - and a request: could someone please recap the previews for next week? Someone mentioned them, and I’m curious. ---
**Author:** ![MrFantsyPants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ba0ec/32.png) [@MrFantsyPants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrFantsyPants)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/87 "2006-03-23T13:36:17Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > I thought they ate all the food at the party, after Hurley realized there wasn’t enough to ration? How do they have cereal, candy bars, and ranch dressing? Not only that, but enough ranch dressing that they can use some for target practice! ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/88 "2006-03-23T13:40:28Z")
Lotta good snark in this episode. AL’s line about Jack and Locke has already been mentioned, but Sun’s comment: “Oh yes. I was trying to trap the son of a fisherman.” was just mean. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/89 "2006-03-23T13:46:52Z")
I hated this episode. What did we learn? That Jin was infertile? Whoopee! We learned more about the story from next weeks previews than we did from this episode. And I know it’s supposed to be a “character-driven” show, but this was an utter waste in that regard also. I say “boo!” And I also caught the “You’re husband…” typo, so double boo ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/90 "2006-03-23T14:27:51Z")
I agree that this episode had a lot of filler. I did enjoy the hunting party. Did anyone else think the clearing where the balloon is supposed to be looked like the area from Claire’s flashback? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Carnage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/max_carnage/32/12775_2.png) [@Max\_Carnage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Carnage)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/91 "2006-03-23T14:35:49Z")
Did anyone else get the feeling that when AL was telling Sayid “No one likes me and I can’t do anything about that” that it was actually Michelle Rodriguez talking to the viewers? ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/92 "2006-03-23T14:41:37Z")
So, my boss and I are at an impasse. She thinks Sun’s lying and was sleeping with Hotel Guy. I think Sun’s telling the truth and the Island/Others/Outside forces either cured Jin or knocked her up independently. What say you all? And has it occurred to anybody else that with the speed of Island Time, Sun’s going to be pregnant for the next five to six years of show time? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/93 "2006-03-23T14:45:59Z")
Sun had that weird, far-away unhappy look during the hug with Jin. I immediately thought she lied about being faithful. Since they didn’t admit the answer, they can still choose whatever fits in best with the future story. ---
**Author:** ![edwino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@edwino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwino)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/94 "2006-03-23T14:51:09Z")
Henry Gale is my new favorite character on the show. The man, despite his fatalism, speaks it like it is and is obviously waaay smarter than anyone else on the show (except maybe Sawyer). It is quite refreshing to see the whole Jack/Locke “partnership” coming to an end – it seemed that their entire power structure was based on a rigid control of information. This wasn’t a healthy way to run a burgeoning society, although it is perhaps the easiest. nterestingly, the Jack/Locke leadership role seems to be ending in a rather natural fashion – Jack/Locke have gotten preoccupied with the hatch, and now with Henry Gale, this has sown resentment while at the same time removing Jack/Locke from the surface life of the island. It is only natural for the huddled, uninformed masses to set their eyes on more accessible protectors – namely Sawyer or Ana Lucia/Sayid. I don’t have high hopes for a freer structure emerging under any rivals, which seems to be a Sawyer-based one or a Ana Lucia/Sayid based one, and predominantly motivated by fear of the Others. But it will be interesting for a change. Charlie and Hurley remain wild-cards, they could definitely go either way. I think especially given the previews which make it look like Locke and/or Jack get stuck in the hatch that a change of regime will at least get people talking and motivated to do something on this island. Especially if Hurley is close in to the new top; everyone knows he can’t keep a secret. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/95 "2006-03-23T14:56:24Z")
> [@Max Carnage](#): > > Did anyone else get the feeling that when AL was telling Sayid “No one likes me and I can’t do anything about that” that it was actually Michelle Rodriguez talking to the viewers? I thought it was AL talking to the viewers. -FrL- ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/96 "2006-03-23T15:01:15Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > Is it possible that Charlie is the father of Sun’s baby, from when he attacked her? That was my first thought, and I’m not totally convinced it can’t be true. > > And yeah, after that last speech by Gale, they should kill him just for being terminally stupid. > > And it occurred to me that AL was checking out Charlie’s “bum,” about 5 seconds before it occurred to Charlie. When did charlie attack sun?! -Kris ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/97 "2006-03-23T15:19:06Z")
On the radio during my commute this morning, they played the backwards dialogue. I don’t have a transcript, but it was basically just more banter back and forth between Sawyer and Bernard about who should/shouldn’t tell Jin about the pregnancy, and why/why not. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/98 "2006-03-23T15:44:11Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > When did charlie attack sun?! > > -Kris In _The Long Con_, when Sawyer needed to incite Jack and get Locke to move the guns, he got Charlie to ‘kidnap’ Sun for a few seconds and she got a bump on the head. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/99 "2006-03-23T15:51:09Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > So, my boss and I are at an impasse. She thinks Sun’s lying and was sleeping with Hotel Guy. I think Sun’s telling the truth and the Island/Others/Outside forces either cured Jin or knocked her up independently. What say you all? Per **Cheesesteak** , I think they played it ambiguous so they can go either way with it down the road. I will say that while the Jin-Sun backstory was mildly interesting, the Jin-Sun island story was irritatingly shallow. It’s a bad habit the show has fallen into: in order to manufacture conflict, a character acts like an asshole for the first half; and to resolve the conflict, the character stops at the end. Lazy, lazy writing. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/100 "2006-03-23T16:02:07Z")
> [@BiblioCat](#): > > Stop drooling on my TV boyfriend. Drooling? I’m not drooling. I’m a straight guy, dammit. I can say Daniel Dae Kim is a hunk without salivating. It’s an observation. Y’know. I’m just sayin’. No, I save my drooling for Sun in that miniscule nightie. Lordamighty. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440.md?page=6)