# Lost 2.16: "The Whole Truth" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 22, 2006, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440 "2006-03-22T16:03:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/121 "2006-03-23T19:21:01Z")
As for Charlie having a gun and AL and Sayid not asking why, Sawyer said that if people wanted a gun they just had to ask him. I get the impression that Sayid and AL were both too stubborn to ask Sawyer for anything and they just figured that Charlie did ask. I liked Charlie this episode, he was a lot less pathetic and more of a smart-ass. Re: The food. I would guess since they still have some they must have rationed out some of the basic essentials for those minding the hatch and they let people party with the “luxury” items, like potato chips, candy and peanut butter. Re: Hurley in the mental institution. I believe that in one of the previous episodes his mother commented about him having a breakdown. Why he had the breakdown was probably never explained. Re: Sun and is she telling the whole truth? They have always let us believe that those two really love each other, remember she almost left him and then changed her mind? They did leave us with a little doubt about whether or not something happened with her and baldLee, but I think if something had happened she would have had no trouble breaking with Jin because essentially she would have already taken that first big step. Still I could be wrong but I think the baby is indeed Jin’s. As for Jin, we didn’t hear the exact details of his sterility but sometimes if it’s just something like “low motility” or some such thing it is still possible for one of the little dudes to make the swim and that’s all it takes. He may not even have needed to be “cured” by the island. I also did not like how they made Jin revert back to asshole, granted he was worried about her but still that was a bit too much. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/122 "2006-03-23T19:23:39Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Oh, yeah–do you think that was intentionally coy writing having the hobbit make the joke about “no breakfast?” > > “How about elevenses? Do you think he knows about that?” > “I don’t think he knows about elevenses, Pippin…” Yeah, that made me smile. Along with Charlie telling Ana Lucia that Sayid had no sense of humor. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/123 "2006-03-23T19:24:18Z")
> [@The Composer](#): > > Regarding Henry Gale: > > I think he’s an ‘Other’. I predict there might have been a real-life HG and wife in a balloon, and, after it crashed they were captured and/or killed by the Others. This man is an Other in disguise which is why > > AL, Sayid and Charlie appear to find the balloon in the next episode. Those were my thoughts from the moment he brought up the balloon thing. I just hope that the writers don’t have the Lostaways release him upon Sayid’s return and announcment that they found the balloon. I really, really hate it when they have the characters do something so obviously stupid. BTW, supposedly the company which owns the lab where Sun and Jin went for fertility tests was shown in Charlie’s backstory-- a billboard or sign in the London skyline. That’s why I always like to watch each episode twice, the 2nd time paying attention to what’s going on in the background, not what the main characters are doing. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/124 "2006-03-23T19:45:13Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > BTW, supposedly the company which owns the lab where Sun and Jin went for fertility tests was shown in Charlie’s backstory-- a billboard or sign in the London skyline. That’s why I always like to watch each episode twice, the 2nd time paying attention to what’s going on in the background, not what the main characters are doing. Oops, my bad. Make that the company which manufactured the pregnancy test that Sun took on The Island-- Windmore Labs. There was a Windmore Construction sign in the epsiode “Fire + Water”. What does that mean? Beats the hell outta me! ---
**Author:** ![Ass\_For\_A\_Hat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Ass\_For\_A\_Hat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ass_For_A_Hat)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/125 "2006-03-23T19:48:13Z")
> [@tripthicket](#): > > It’s not even interesting that neither Sayid nor AL questioned Charlie’s possession of the handgun. I still think that Sayid knows Charlie was in on the gun heist. I know there are people that disagree with me on this, and they certainly haven’t built on Sayid’s “Have you forgotten?” speech, but I still think he knows. And if he didn’t have it figured out by now, this was a hell of a big clue. > [@Wile E](#): > > Re: Sun and is she telling the whole truth? They have always let us believe that those two really love each other, remember she almost left him and then changed her mind? They did leave us with a little doubt about whether or not something happened with her and baldLee, but I think if something had happened she would have had no trouble breaking with Jin because essentially she would have already taken that first big step. Still I could be wrong but I think the baby is indeed Jin’s. I agree. I think it’s possible that she did have the affair with Baldy, but I also think her story to Jin would have been different if she really thought that Baldy was the father. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/126 "2006-03-23T19:55:52Z")
How many days has passed since Jin emerged from his tent with the big smile on his face? I suspect we are to presume that that was when the deed was done. Has enough time passed that Sun could feel the early effects of pregnancy? Of course, that begs the question: does Island Time always corrolate to real time? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/127 "2006-03-23T20:00:30Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > How many days has passed since Jin emerged from his tent with the big smile on his face? I suspect we are to presume that that was when the deed was done. Has enough time passed that Sun could feel the early effects of pregnancy? Of course, that begs the question: does Island Time always corrolate to real time? 🙂 I’ve been reading on another site that the rafties have only been back for 6 days! :eek: If that’s the case, it could have been a little goodbye sex prior to the raft launching. Sun should give birth sometime in 2009. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/128 "2006-03-23T20:12:26Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > I’ve been reading on another site that the rafties have only been back for 6 days! :eek: The raft was launched on day 44, the Rafties came back on day 48, and AL said last night she’d been there a week, so we’re around day 55. If Sun _just_ missed her period, she got pregnant around the time Michael started building the raft and Claire came back from her visit with the Others. [Timeline](http://tviv.org/wiki/Lost/Timeline) ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/129 "2006-03-23T20:30:50Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > The raft was launched on day 44, the Rafties came back on day 48, and AL said last night she’d been there a week, so we’re around day 55. If Sun _just_ missed her period, she got pregnant around the time Michael started building the raft and Claire came back from her visit with the Others. > > [Timeline](http://tviv.org/wiki/Lost/Timeline) Thank you for the timeline. When was it that Sun and Jin were on the outs? Wouldn’t it be nice if they started each episode with a little tagline that said: **Day 55** or **Day 56** or something? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/130 "2006-03-23T20:36:48Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Oops, my bad. Make that the company which manufactured the pregnancy test that Sun took on The Island-- Windmore Labs. There was a Windmore Construction sign in the epsiode “Fire + Water”. It’s “Widmore.” Widmore is a suburb of London, so it makes sense just as something to establish location. Damon Lindeloff and Carlton Cuse mention it in [this podcast](http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcasts/102999.html). I can’t keep track of who’s who, but in reference to the Widmore sign, they say: “It seems to be fairly innocuous, but write it down.” “You’ll be hearing more about the Widmore company.” “Maybe related to the Hanso foundation.” They also point out that in that shot they took care to include the power station featured on the [album cover for Pink Floyd’s _Animals_,](http://pink-floyd.ru/albums/animals/cover.jpg) which I didn’t notice at all. (Anyone got a screenshot?) This is kind of neat, because _Animals_ features a cynical parody (“Sheep”) of the 23rd Psalm, which Charlie had recited with Eko only two episodes before “Fire + Water.” ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/131 "2006-03-23T20:56:15Z")
> [@vaderspal](#): > > Me, three. > > [nitpick] > Actually, it’s Jin who would need the healing. According to the doc there’s nothing wrong with Sun. Which is why the doubt over whether or not she did the bald guy. > [/nitpick] > > But come on, Sun, really. I mean, your husband might be a violent criminal, but he is teh _hot_. Is the hotel manager’s weenie son really so appealing? :smack: D’oh! You folks are correct, of course, about whose parts were not functioning properly. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![MrsMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e8cbc/32.png) [@MrsMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrsMonkey)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/132 "2006-03-23T21:01:02Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > When was it that Sun and Jin were on the outs? Day 35 is when Jin leaves Sun and moves to the beach after finding out she speaks English. Michael starts building the raft on Day 28. So seems possible it could’ve been during that time. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/133 "2006-03-23T21:06:17Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Bit of a pot calling a kettle black, Charlie dissing AnaLucia for murdering somebody last time she had her hands on a gun… I was thinking that Charlie should have said, “At least the last person I killed, I killed on purpose”. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/134 "2006-03-23T21:08:31Z")
[This site](http://lost.cubit.net/timeline.php) is great for timeline issues, although it needs to be updated for the latest epsidode. According to it, last week’s ep ended 9 days after the rafties returned. I think each episode is supposed to be 2-3 days, so let’s say 12 days since they returned, at the latest. That’s pretty quick for a pregnancy, especially since the Smiley Jin moment was a day or two after they arrived back in camp. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/135 "2006-03-23T21:13:00Z")
I believe Sun did not cheat because she told Jin it was him that had the problem. If she wanted to cover her tracks, she would have just contended that the problem was hers and it must have “fixed itself.” Why would she level with him and then lie? His false impression that it was her problem would have been the perfect cover. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2006, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/136 "2006-03-23T21:44:44Z")
Hmmm. An unexplained pregnancy. A bunker called The Swan. [Leda and the swan](http://www.loggia.com/myth/leda.html) reference? ---
**Author:** ![Rachael\_Rage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@Rachael\_Rage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachael_Rage)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2006, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/137 "2006-03-24T01:48:35Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > I was thinking that Charlie should have said, “At least the last person I killed, I killed on purpose”. Yow, _burn_. I’d hire you as a writer on the strength of that line alone! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2006, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/138 "2006-03-24T03:56:32Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > So Henry is not an Other, he’s a viewer. 😉 So was Arzt, and look what happened to him… The writers want to vicariously blow us up. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2006, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/139 "2006-03-24T03:57:33Z")
Er, not vicariously, no idea why I said that. In effigy? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2006, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440/140 "2006-03-24T04:21:14Z")
> [@](#): > > I was thinking that Charlie should have said, “At least the last person I killed, I killed on purpose”. Ana Lucia would have come back with “Three out the four people I’ve killed were on purpose, so there.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-16-the-whole-truth/349440.md?page=8)