# Lost 2.17: "Lockdown" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 29, 2006, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423 "2006-03-29T16:50:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2006, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/161 "2006-03-30T21:47:02Z")
> [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](#): > > It also looks like it’s Thunderdome time next week when the rest of the Losties find the drop supply. Two men enter, one man eats? ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2006, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/162 "2006-03-30T21:48:40Z")
Does anyone read ABC’s diary entries? Is it considered cannon? [This one](http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/diary/105434.html) is interesting but I don’t know wether to assign it any weight or not. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2006, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/163 "2006-03-30T22:07:21Z")
> [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](#): > > Am I the only one thinking that there will probably be a fresh supply of antidote/innoculation/vacine whatever you want to call it in the drop supply? Nope. I was thinking the same thing. > [@](#): > > I wonder if they find it if they will be smart enough to tell Jack? What do you mean “they”? Jack was one of the original people who found it. **OK, prediction time:** Locke will eventually help Henry Gale escape, especially now that he knows he is one of The Others. Here’s why. Locke wants to stay on the island and he wants peaceful relations with Zeke’s gang. Remember, he’s the one that tried to convince Jack not to form th army. Live and let live. The only quesiton I have is whether or not Gale will learn that Sun is pregnant, although I strongly suspect he will. ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2006, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/164 "2006-03-30T22:14:40Z")
[Another annotated pic of the map](http://www.thehatchonline.com/images/dharmadoor.jpg). > [@John Mace](#): > > There’s nothing more cocky than a guy who knows he can win at poker. And I’ll bet Kate doesn’t need a ruler to figure that out!! Well, when Kate was saying she wanted to take a shower, I definitely got the impression she was hoping that Jack would volunteer to scrub her back… ---
**Author:** ![Improv\_Geek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2006, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/165 "2006-03-30T22:16:08Z")
I think there is one vital question that no one has asked - Why would someone scribble these notes on the door in uv reactive ink??? Why not the paper, or on the real walls. We haven’t seen reams of paper but we have seen books which could be used. Why the inside of the blast door in uv ink? Someone above suggested it was a continuing work done every time the door came down but it seems more likely to me to be the works of someone trapped. I mean, if the doors came down and stayed down for X days, it could cause someone to need this outlet. I don’t think it was Desmond, my guess is that it was the guy before him. ---
**Author:** ![Improv\_Geek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2006, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/166 "2006-03-30T22:21:23Z")
> [@tanstaafl](#): > > [Another annotated pic of the map](http://www.thehatchonline.com/images/dharmadoor.jpg). > Well, when Kate was saying she wanted to take a shower, I definitely got the impression she was hoping that Jack would volunteer to scrub her back… If he won’t, I will! ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2006, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/167 "2006-03-30T22:37:42Z")
Simple enough question: Locke said “I didn’t do it for the money” - then why did he do it? Certainly not to help his dad out. Seems to me the most reasonable thing would’ve been to take all of it and run - reasonable payback. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2006, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/168 "2006-03-30T22:46:11Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Seems to me the most reasonable thing would’ve been to take all of it and run - reasonable payback. I disagree. Why entangle yourself with shady underworld characters about which you know nothing? The reasonable thing to do would be to tell dear ol’ dad to go jump in a lake, then make sure you never contact him or are contacted by him again. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2006, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/169 "2006-03-30T22:49:06Z")
Remember though. Locke was kind of a puss before he got on the island. That big standoff scene would have been out of character. Locke didn’t become a tough guy until he looked into the eye of the island. ---
**Author:** ![GraceTX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c4cdca/32.png) [@GraceTX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GraceTX)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2006, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/170 "2006-03-30T22:51:50Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Simple enough question: > > Locke said “I didn’t do it for the money” - then why did he do it? Certainly not to help his dad out. > > Seems to me the most reasonable thing would’ve been to take all of it and run - reasonable payback. I think he should’ve given the money to the two thugs, told them where his dad was hiding, and asked them to bring back his kidney. ---
**Author:** ![misstee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/958977/32.png) [@misstee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/misstee)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2006, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/171 "2006-03-30T22:59:44Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Her reading of the obits. Seemed kind of random to me. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find out that she was in on the con, or that Daddy is really “Sawyer.” It doesn’t seem too odd to me. The obits is one of the firsts things I read when I crack open the paper. The only thing I read before that is big flashy articles that catch my eye while I am flipping to the obit section. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2006, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/172 "2006-03-30T23:00:30Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Remember though. Locke was kind of a puss before he got on the island. > > That big standoff scene would have been out of character. > > Locke didn’t become a tough guy until he looked into the eye of the island. All the more reason to run like the little wuss he was. You don’t involved with mobsters unless you have a real good reason to. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2006, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/173 "2006-03-30T23:17:34Z")
> [@ronincyberpunk](#): > > I think there is one vital question that no one has asked - Why would someone scribble these notes on the door in uv reactive ink??? Why not the paper, or on the real walls. We haven’t seen reams of paper but we have seen books which could be used. Why the inside of the blast door in uv ink? > > Someone above suggested it was a continuing work done every time the door came down but it seems more likely to me to be the works of someone trapped. I mean, if the doors came down and stayed down for X days, it could cause someone to need this outlet. > > I don’t think it was Desmond, my guess is that it was the guy before him. There was only black/uv light available for a period of time when the map was visible to Locke. Why? Good question. If someone was in there with the blast doors down (whether voluntarily or not) during a prolonged period when black/uv light was the only light available, the only way they’d be able to see something scribbled anywhere would be if it was visible in black/uv light. Maybe some of the books and records have also been scribbled on… Maybe the Dharma blacklightbulbs come packaged with Dharma blacklight pens… ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2006, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/174 "2006-03-30T23:22:53Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Remember though. Locke was kind of a puss before he got on the island. > > That big standoff scene would have been out of character. > > Locke didn’t become a tough guy until he looked into the eye of the island. Well, not necessarily. If it went down the way I proposed, then it could be that Locke was _attempting_ to find his testicles and really stand up to his father, and Helen catches the lie and leaves him anyway, then that’s a big life lesson to not do that again. So it could be a tentative moment of bravery that bites him in the ass. Of course, it _didn’t_ play out that way, so it’s an irrelevant what-if. It’s just that I would have liked it better, possibly for my own reasons, as said. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2006, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/175 "2006-03-30T23:23:07Z")
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**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2006, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/176 "2006-03-30T23:40:23Z")
RE: Locke delivering the money for reasons other than money. I thought it was simply because he’s a nice guy who cares for his father. Period. He tells him in the car that he could have just asked him for the kidney, he didn’t have to trick him. Same here. His dad asked, he does. Simple. John’s just not the kind of guy to cheat a guy, threaten a guy or sic the mob on a guy. Pre-island John, anyway. I have the feeling we may see a Locke of a different color before this story’s done. ---
**Author:** ![Airblairxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Airblairxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airblairxxx)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2006, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/177 "2006-03-31T01:38:33Z")
> [@ronincyberpunk](#): > > I think there is one vital question that no one has asked - Why would someone scribble these notes on the door in uv reactive ink??? Why not the paper, or on the real walls. We haven’t seen reams of paper but we have seen books which could be used. Why the inside of the blast door in uv ink? > > Someone above suggested it was a continuing work done every time the door came down but it seems more likely to me to be the works of someone trapped. I mean, if the doors came down and stayed down for X days, it could cause someone to need this outlet. > > I don’t think it was Desmond, my guess is that it was the guy before him. Or maybe whomever was drawing this didn’t want the other person in the hatch to know that he was doing it. (Also, re: paper, Henry Gale had to draw the map to his balloon on a page ripped out from one of the books, so it looks like blank paper doesn’t exist on the island.) ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2006, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/178 "2006-03-31T01:42:33Z")
> [@Airblairxxx](#): > > (Also, re: paper, Henry Gale had to draw the map to his balloon on a page ripped out from one of the books, so it looks like blank paper doesn’t exist on the island.) Not necessarily. Ana Lucia and Henry just didn’t have immediate access to any. ---
**Author:** ![Rachael\_Rage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@Rachael\_Rage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachael_Rage)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2006, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/179 "2006-03-31T01:44:26Z")
> [@cbawlmer](#): > > “The car” is the car that hit Michael (in the street, in his flashback), **Kate’s getaway car** (in the accident that killed her “only love”), and Locke (in the toy store parking lot). Screencaps were taken of each incident and each time it was the same damn car. There was some discussion of this last season, and whether it was just the show’s “crash car” or whether it was an intentional link. The way this show works, I can’t help feeling it’s intentional. (bolding mine) Actually, IIRC it was the car that Kate _hit_ with Tom’s car after the cops shot him. I don’t believe the car means anything, really. But I think it is intentional. Just a wink from producers to we screen-cap-happy fans. Like someone said upthread of how all numbers are the numbers, and all jets are Oceanic flights, etc. All - well, many - cars are “the car.” > [@RikWriter](#): > > I don’t know why you would say that. It was pretty clear in the Eko-centric episode that they were one and the same. Well, if that’s true (that the smoke-monster and the TCM are one and the same), then IMO that’s a gigantic cop-out. The entire first season emphasized the HUGENESS of this thing, and it pulls trees right out of the ground! And it casts a lumbering, very monster-like shadow on the cockpit of the plane! Although I (reluctantly) agree that the Eko episode _appears_ to prove this, I’m convinced there has to be more to it. Or at least that there was initially, until the writers chickened out because they couldn’t think of something that was five stories tall and invisible, without it being silly. Am I all alone in this? ---
**Author:** ![Antigen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Antigen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antigen)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2006, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423/180 "2006-03-31T02:06:37Z")
> [@honeydewgrrl](#): > > Maybe the Dharma blacklightbulbs come packaged with Dharma blacklight pens… Oh, come on people! Have you all forgotten that plenty of _other_ things [glow under UV light](http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/f/blblacklight.htm)? No need for special pens, when the guy in the hatch comes already equipped with one, so to speak. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-17-lockdown/350423.md?page=10)