# Lost 2.18: "Dave" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 5, 2006, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441 "2006-04-05T17:48:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/181 "2006-04-07T03:54:06Z")
The Dharma Initiative/Hanso Group folks may be good but how do you arrange to rip a plane apart in mid-air and have only certain special people survive? If they are really behind certain Lostees being on the Island then I say the plane crash has to be a faked and planted memory. ---
**Author:** ![Greywolf73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d9b06d/32.png) [@Greywolf73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greywolf73)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/182 "2006-04-07T04:39:42Z")
> [@Cuckoorex](#): > > So nobody buys my WAG that Pseudo-Henry is the head honcho on the island? I think Hanzo is dead, and Henry is the top dog. I’ll take your WAG about Henry and raise you my WAG that everyone on the island is actually in a mental institution sharing a group hallucination. Yeah. 🆒 Actually, I think your WAG makes a lot of sense. Pseudo-Henry is certainly manipulative enough to be in a position of power. Maybe the Others decided to send in the big guns when they realized that maybe the Losties weren’t as helpless or confused as they had hoped? I think Pseudo-Henry’s main goal is to divide the group and cause dissention in the ranks. ---
**Author:** ![jakeline](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@jakeline](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jakeline)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/183 "2006-04-07T05:10:25Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > - Psuedo-Henry also mentioned that he was “good”. I really think Dharma is some kind of science cult. I found it interesting that Not-Henry mentioned this. Didn’t the tailies’ Other mention that he was instructed to make a list of who was good? I think that this is going to be a major plot point later. Actually, now that I think of it, everyone remaining has done something bad in their life. Locke stole money, Sawyer was a crook, Kate was a crook (with a heart of gold, natch), my little hobbit was a druggie and a jerk, Jin and Eko hurt people for a living, etc, etc. The only people whose flashbacks showed them to be pretty good people are Claire, Michael, and Sun… but they’re all linked because of their children (and children-to-be). Not sure what I’m getting at here, but I think this will come up again later. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/184 "2006-04-07T05:39:01Z")
> [@medstar](#): > > I was rather surprised that Jin was able to pull an enraged Hurley off of Sawyer so easily. Sure, Jin is muscular and agile, but Hurley is so much larger than he is that I thought Hurley would just shake Jin off and go back to pounding on Sawyer. It was good to see Sawyer get his butt kicked, though. Well, when you look at it that way, the whole scene was contrived. Sawyer could kick the living shit out of Hurley. He’s street smart and obviously knows his way around a fight, and in much better shape than Hurley. Sure, Hurley had surprise, but the scene was intended primarily for comic effect - in a more realistic scenario, Sawyer would’ve probably beat him down severely. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/185 "2006-04-07T06:06:55Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Well, when you look at it that way, the whole scene was contrived. Sawyer could kick the living shit out of Hurley. He’s street smart and obviously knows his way around a fight, and in much better shape than Hurley. Sure, Hurley had surprise, but the scene was intended primarily for comic effect - in a more realistic scenario, Sawyer would’ve probably beat him down severely. You get pancaked by a guy who outweighs you by 200 pounds, you gotta problem. ---
**Author:** ![Gamaliel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b487fb/32.png) [@Gamaliel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gamaliel)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/186 "2006-04-07T06:08:03Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Well, when you look at it that way, the whole scene was contrived. Sawyer could kick the living shit out of Hurley. He’s street smart and obviously knows his way around a fight, and in much better shape than Hurley. Sure, Hurley had surprise, but the scene was intended primarily for comic effect - in a more realistic scenario, Sawyer would’ve probably beat him down severely. Sawyer is all talk. He’s been pretty much beaten at everything else, even mango poker, so why not a fight with a guy twice his size? ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/187 "2006-04-07T07:01:45Z")
> [@Rockwell](#): > > Did anybody else notice that Eko dipped his hand in a tub of water and then made the “sign of the cross”? It was not the traditional way but it sure looked like he was making the self blessing. I noticed it. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/188 "2006-04-07T13:24:35Z")
> [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > You get pancaked by a guy who outweighs you by 200 pounds, you gotta problem. That and he’s spry, dude… ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/189 "2006-04-07T13:33:53Z")
Here are some screencaps that show Libby’s face as she’s walking away with Hurley. She’s not looking too friendly in the last two. In the last pic she looks “Otherly”. [Pics](http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=thumbnails&album=1033&page=17&sort=) ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/190 "2006-04-07T13:59:12Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > The republican guard is only considered “elite” on a very relative basis - compared to the rest unmotivated, ineffective Iraqi forces. > > They’re not considered elite in the same way that the US rangers, or to some extent, marine corps would be. And the Republican guard was generally ‘elite’ in the sense that it was made up of mostly Sunnis that were very loyal to Saddam, and therefore not likely to stage a coup. When your top criterion in your ‘elite’ troops is political loyalty, I imagine you’ll let in a few lemons. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/191 "2006-04-07T14:18:33Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > Here are some screencaps that show Libby’s face as she’s walking away with Hurley. > > She’s not looking too friendly in the last two. In the last pic she looks “Otherly”. > > [Pics](http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=thumbnails&album=1033&page=17&sort=) The expression change was pretty extreme, but in what I remember of my reaction from when the show aired, combined with that last cap, it seems plausible that it was due to her anxiety of Hurley remembering that she was also in the psych ward with him (whether she is actually a shrink or not). But I think it certainly casts signifigant doubt as to whether her feelings for Hurley are legit. That certainly isn’t a look of “Gee…I really like him, and I’m so glad we finally got it out in the open. My lips are still tingling with his peanut-buttery kiss…_blissful sigh_” ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/192 "2006-04-07T14:23:49Z")
> [@honeydewgrrl](#): > > The expression change was pretty extreme, but in what I remember of my reaction from when the show aired, combined with that last cap, it seems plausible that it was due to her anxiety of Hurley remembering that she was also in the psych ward with him (whether she is actually a shrink or not). But I think it certainly casts signifigant doubt as to whether her feelings for Hurley are legit. > > That certainly isn’t a look of “Gee…I really like him, and I’m so glad we finally got it out in the open. My lips are still tingling with his peanut-buttery kiss…_blissful sigh_” She could suddenly be considering the _position_ this will likely put her in… …d&r… ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/193 "2006-04-07T14:26:18Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > Here are some screencaps that show Libby’s face as she’s walking away with Hurley. > > She’s not looking too friendly in the last two. In the last pic she looks “Otherly”. > > [Pics](http://www.lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=thumbnails&album=1033&page=17&sort=) That, and she’s totally checking out his ass. Somebody pouted that she didn’t go for the second kiss… dude, she was backed up to the cliff edge by a guy who, two minutes earlier, wanted to jump off, and had just told her (I think…) that he was in the booby hatch because he snapped like a twig after a balcony collapsed under his weight… I’d want to get to firmer ground, myself… ---
**Author:** ![Ass\_For\_A\_Hat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Ass\_For\_A\_Hat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ass_For_A_Hat)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/194 "2006-04-07T14:59:23Z")
> [@Greywolf73](#): > > I think Pseudo-Henry’s main goal is to divide the group and cause dissention in the ranks. I agree. You may go so far as to say that both Henry and Locke are in the hatch for the same reasons. They’re both there to push buttons. Sorry if someone’s already used that. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/195 "2006-04-07T15:13:52Z")
I wish nO’Henry could stick around for a while. The actor who plays him does an amazing job of bringing out the creepy. A completely believable mix of sympathetic and evil all at once. ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/196 "2006-04-07T15:32:11Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Well, when you look at it that way, the whole scene was contrived. Sawyer could kick the living shit out of Hurley. He’s street smart and obviously knows his way around a fight, and in much better shape than Hurley. Sure, Hurley had surprise, but the scene was intended primarily for comic effect - in a more realistic scenario, Sawyer would’ve probably beat him down severely. I disagree. Sawyer was caught off guard, and it can be awfully difficult to gain the upper ground once you’re in a vulnerable position. Besides, Hurley’s one big dude. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/197 "2006-04-07T15:47:17Z")
> [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > You get pancaked by a guy who outweighs you by 200 pounds, you gotta problem. Do we have any reason to believe that Sawyer can fight? I’m trying to remember. Keep in mind he’s someone that gets by on his wits and charm, not fists. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/198 "2006-04-07T17:21:51Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > …that he was in the booby hatch… Took me a minute to figure out what “booby hatch” meant. My first mental image was the UV map… one of the hatches having the word “BOOBIES!!!” written next to it. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/199 "2006-04-07T17:38:52Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Do we have any reason to believe that Sawyer can fight? I’m trying to remember. Keep in mind he’s someone that gets by on his wits and charm, not fists. Well, there’s evidence to suggest that he fights dirty when he is getting beat in a fight. Back in the Pilot episode, Part 2 (season 1), in his character’s introduction, he was in a scuffle with Sayid. After exchanging a couple punches, Sawyer swung wild, and Sayid ducked and clocked him with a good one. After a few moments of getting his butt kicked, Sawyer turned the tables by throwing sand in Sayid’s face – and he had jumped on top of Sayid when the others pulled the two of them apart. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2006, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441/200 "2006-04-07T17:58:29Z")
I pretty much figured that Libby’s change of expression was from her remembering her time in the psych ward. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-18-dave/351441.md?page=11)