# Lost 2.19: "S.O.S." **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 12, 2006, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390 "2006-04-12T15:58:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/101 "2006-04-13T18:36:45Z")
> [@Velma](#): > > Do you think Locke wanted to go on that Outback trip to see the faith healer that Rose went to? He was really adamant about going. For a minute I thought Rose would see a photo of him or another Lostaway on the wall at the healer’s place. I don’t think you need to sign up for a extreme survivor weekend to get to Ayers Rock. Rose and Bernard didn’t. > [@Ethilrist](#): > > I call dibs on the bar where Sawyer met Jack’s dad being in the town that Isaac lives in. I don’t think that Sawyer and Jack’s dad’s bar was all the way to hell and gone in the wilds of the NT though. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/102 "2006-04-13T18:37:49Z")
Crap! Forgot the linky. [http://www.atn.com.au/nt/south/uluru.htm](http://www.atn.com.au/nt/south/uluru.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Invisible\_Chimp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f05b48/32.png) [@Invisible\_Chimp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Invisible_Chimp)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/103 "2006-04-13T18:45:22Z")
> [@Velma](#): > > Or maybe they have gotten to him already and he is now One Of Them and luring the Losties into a trap. I believe that is the case. I think Michael is now a double agent for the Others. If he is not a convert, then the Others are using Walt to get Michael to do what they want. Michael is definately leading the Losties into a trap. Nothing truly revolutionary in the Rose and Bernard backstory. Bernard does have a point though, that nobody is trying to get off the island anymore. And nobody is wondering about the strange labels on the food. The Losties are in thrall to the island. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/104 "2006-04-13T18:53:15Z")
[Here’s a link](http://www.thetailsection.com/2006/04/lost_lockes_scrap_paper.php#more) to the poem that Locke was drawing over. The original is in French, and it looks like the English translation (on top) was done by some software translation program, and a not very good one at that. Any Francophones care to offer us a better translation? It looks like something to give Locke inspiration to renew his faith. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/105 "2006-04-13T18:57:00Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Maybe it hit the rock and ran aground. Don’t forget that the ship is waaaay inland for some reason that will probably never be explained. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/106 "2006-04-13T19:05:23Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > I don’t think that Sawyer and Jack’s dad’s bar was all the way to hell and gone in the wilds of the NT though. Okay, then, Isaac lives in the town near where the one-legged lady lives (I’d have said, the one near where Sawyer shot the guy, but that guy was running a shrimp-fry place, so, near the ocean). ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/107 "2006-04-13T19:12:42Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Keep in mind that the ship Black Rock had the name painted on its back (OK, stern, if you want to be pedantic). So if there’s a connection between it and the actual black rock, there are two possibilities. One - after the ship is wrecked, someone says, “Hey, look - there’s a big black rock up there! Let’s haul the ship forty miles inland so that we can enjoy the delicious irony of the juxtaposition!” Two - after the ship makes it inland somehow, they decide to rename the wreck for some reason. Third possibility: Someone way back when discovered the powers of the black rock. They build a ship to go get slaves to work the area. They decide to name the ship after the source of the mention. Perhaps a Hanso is involved. During one of the trips, the ship wrecks and gets inland for some reason they never explain. But I actually prefer the ironic juxstaposition theory. And it the rock was definitely at the line. It was in the background when Jack was yelling to the Others. That’s when the camera was spinning. The spinning effect indicated to me we were supposed to see the black rock over and over again without focusing on it. I think it is important. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/108 "2006-04-13T19:31:20Z")
Maybe it’s a dead Horta. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/109 "2006-04-13T19:33:31Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Maybe it’s a dead Horta. Dammit, **Cervaise** , he’s a doctor, not a bricklayer. ---
**Author:** ![Broken\_Wind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Broken\_Wind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broken_Wind)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/110 "2006-04-13T20:03:05Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > Dammit, **Cervaise** , he’s a doctor, not a bricklayer. God, that was PERFECT! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/111 "2006-04-13T21:40:45Z")
Yep. That’s **Draelin** , Giver of Comedy Gold. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rachael\_Rage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@Rachael\_Rage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachael_Rage)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/112 "2006-04-13T22:14:09Z")
I was glad to see the backstory of Bernard and Rose, but - and this may be too nitpicky - but I always thought they had been married longer. I don’t want to go back and re-watch the pilot, but I think Rose said something to Jack like: “My husband’s hands always swell when we fly. He’s taken to giving his wedding ring to me to hold for him…” in other words, it sounds like they have taken multiple flights together, over a period of time. If they’ve only known each other a few months, and he’s only been wearing a wedding ring for, what, a few days? Then that’s not long enough to have a “habit” of giving it to Rose to hold. And, yes, I realize that there are ways around this (he’s taken flights wearing other rings so he knows his fingers swell…) but it wasn’t written that way. Messing with their timeline seems entirely arbitrary. Early on, when Rose would talk about Bernard before we knew he was a tailie, her bond with him seemed to come from a long, loving marriage. I like that they married later in life, but why not ten years ago, not a couple of months? They could have had the meet-cute scene and then cut to them much later having the “I’m dying” conversation. If they just wanted to show that Bernard would marry her even though she was sick…well, that feels like cheap writing. You can show a loving married couple without every aspect of their lives being a crisis. I’m actually less convinced of how deep and lasting thier bond is knowing it was so short in forming. It sells out what I liked about Bernard and Rose to begin with: they’re a normal, middle-aged married couple. Why complicate things? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/113 "2006-04-13T22:32:50Z")
> [@vaderspal](#): > > …they’re a normal, middle-aged married couple. Why complicate things? None of the Lostaways is “normal”. Making some of the “normal” would complicate things. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/114 "2006-04-13T23:04:53Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > None of the Lostaways is “normal”. Making some of the “normal” would complicate things. 🙂 She can still be dying (the crux of their unnormalness) and have been married for longer than a few months. The short period of time bothered me too. ---
**Author:** ![pinkfreud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pinkfreud/32/17603_2.png) [@pinkfreud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinkfreud)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/115 "2006-04-13T23:09:36Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > - Henry Gale’s agent needs to get that guy a horror flick. He could be the American Hannibal Lecter. Did you see **Saw**? Michael Emerson wasn’t exactly Hannibal Lecter, but he was plenty creepy. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/116 "2006-04-13T23:24:13Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Well, if you caught the opening minutes you did see the map, in the ‘previously on’ segment… Nice… the “next week on lost…” is showing previews from the next’s weeks “last week on lost…” … there has to be some sort of opposing mirrors thing going on there. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/117 "2006-04-14T00:02:04Z")
I enjoyed the Bernard/Rose backstory and disagreements. Who is the woman playing Rose? She’s great. Didn’t care about Jack and Kate. Just a bit of “Henry’s” creepy smile was enough. Eeeww! I can see why Locke is delaying. He wants to get the diagram at least partly correct before bothering to show it to anyone. I just don’t know why he couldn’t find a blank piece of paper instead of marking up a text. Vincent was a pleasant surprise. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/118 "2006-04-14T00:06:18Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Vincent was a pleasant surprise. And Sawyer culd use the love, too! He’s been knocked down at least a few notched by Jack and Hurley. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/119 "2006-04-14T00:12:02Z")
> [@Velma](#): > > I think the Others let Michael go too, or they maybe were aware of him spying on them so they made themselves look weak on purpose. Or maybe they have gotten to him already and he is now One Of Them and luring the Losties into a trap. Either way I am skeptical of the fact that they are actually as vulnerable as Michael claims. Or else Michael is lying to get the rest of them to help him. By the time they get to Walt he might be one of the Others anyway. Maybe the Others are using Walt’s psychic abilities to keep tabs on the Losties. …eh, but then why did Bluebeard and company flee from the medical hatch after Claire escaped? Then again, maybe Ethan’s near-suicidal pursit of Clair was not only to get her BAY-BAY back, but also to prevent her from showing the way back to the hatch? Of course, that doesn’t make sense either. After all, at that point the Losties had four whole guns - but maybe the Bluebeardies really have THAT few people. Eh. We shall see. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2006, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390/120 "2006-04-14T01:39:48Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Well, if you caught the opening minutes you did see the map, in the ‘previously on’ segment… Yeah, but I thought he let the timer run out again. That’s what the previews implied to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-19-s-o-s/352390.md?page=7)