# Lost 2.2: "Adrift"
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [September 28, 2005, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766 "2005-09-28T00:56:56Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/141 "2005-09-29T16:19:54Z")
> [@Mr2001](#):
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> There is a guy who walks past with a backpack and shorts, and he has the right hair color, but I can’t tell if it’s him with my grainy analog cable. I’ll try to find an HDTV screen capture…
It wasn’t Desmond. Someone in my group thought it was him, and we replayed it-- they guy doesn’t look anything like Desmond.
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### Author:  [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/142 "2005-09-29T16:21:36Z")
Don’t know if any of this has been discussed but The Wife just sent me an email with some questions from TV Guides recap of last night:
> [@](#):
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> Lost
> First off, since all you loyal readers were so helpful last week in trying to figure out what Walt said — either “Don’t push the button, the button is bad” or “Push the button, no button is bad” — by listening to it played backward, this week’s quest is to try to figure out the name of the company that is on all the logos in the supply room, on Desmond’s shirt and, weirdly enough, on that shark. Hmm… something’s fishy there. And if anyone has a clue as to what the 237, 236 then 108,000 countdown clock means, I’d also be interested in hearing thoughts on that. Or on what would happen if the numbers weren’t entered in time? Oh, and are Apollo candy bars real, or is that another in-joke? Anyway, these were the most coherent questions I had after I finally calmed my heart palpitations and got the Mama Cass song out of my head again. With Sawyer’s mid-ocean self-surgery, Michael’s near-drowning experience, Sawyer’s shark-bait swim with a predator, and finally Jin’s terrified scream about “the Others,” breathing has become optional during this show. And the only time I was able to stop my heart from racing, the well-crafted tale turned around and broke my heart. With Michael’s intense screaming for the son he already lost once, the flashback when he said goodbye to the tinier Walt and gave him a polar bear — that can’t be a coincidence — and watched him walk away, and then his desperate sunrise sobbing… Sniff, sniff. His determination to get his kid back is so moving. Especially when juxtaposed with his “It’s only a shark? That’s supposed to make me feel better?” ranting, which was perfectly executed. Oh, that just brings up more questions, like what does that “execute” button do, and will we ever find out? Do we think those “natives” are restless, or just misunderstood? And just who is the “him” that Desmond was looking for?
Myself, I didn’t notice the logo on the shark.
> [@Finagle](#):
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> I could have done without the 30 minutes of Michael/Sawyer interaction last night.
People tend to fixate when bad things happen. I could certainly understand it, and in fact I was wondering if Michael was going to blame Sawyer when it happened, as Sawyer insisted in firing the flare though Michael didn’t want him too. Seems like a natural reaction, especially when they were doing the flashbacks of what Michael went through when his girlfriend took their son to another country and he wasn’t going to get to see him again (seemingly). I kept going ‘bitch!’ last night and annoying The Wife…not because Mikes GF wanted to move to another country and help her career, or even that she wanted to take her son with her, but because of the guilt trip she put him through, the whole scene of the lawyer grilling Mike about how good a father he’d been (to paraphrase ‘do you know what your son’s first words were? Do you know what his favorite toy is? Where were you at such and such? Not a very good father, are you??’). That kind of guilt/sacrifice bullshit always sets me off.
-XT
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### Author:  [@Velma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velma)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/143 "2005-09-29T16:21:49Z")
Hmmm, I assumed the raft-goers were meeting the Others on the shore, but maybe those of you saying they are the tail section are right. They could have seen Jin wash up on shore and assumed he was one of the Others, that is why they tied him up. Jin wouldn’t be able to understand them or explain since he can’t speak English, so maybe now that Sawyer and Mike are there they will find out about the tail section. That doesn’t fit in with my initial thought that Jin got to shore ahead of them by clinging to the boat, though, because then he would presumably be with the Others and Walt.
Those of you who can do a screen shot from Tivo, can anyone confirm that none of them on the shore are the same people we saw on the boat capturing Walt? I think the boat people are the Others and the people at the end of this episode are not. The others who have Walt are one place (by the black smoke?) and now the raft goers are someplace else.
Good idea about Desmond waiting for his replacement. My first thought was he was waiting for Jack, but I don’t know why or how he would know Jack was coming.
I thought it was a good episode , but I agree that the Michael flashbacks weren’t necessary. I didn’t learn anything about him or his story I hadn’t figured on already.
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### Author:  [@Grim\_Jaa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grim_Jaa)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/144 "2005-09-29T16:26:08Z")
The symbols surrounding the word “Dharma” are from the chinese “I, Ching”. However the trigrams have little meaning when configured in that fashion. When stacked in a hexagram they have very specific meanings.
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### Author:  [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/145 "2005-09-29T16:28:33Z")
> [@Velma](#):
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> I thought it was a good episode , but I agree that the Michael flashbacks weren’t necessary. I didn’t learn anything about him or his story I hadn’t figured on already.
Disagree…thought the flashbacks went well showing why Michael was in such distress, pretty much in total shock and completely irrational. Certainly we knew that he must have gone through some of that by assumption, but it worked well (for me) showing the flash backs and then him on the raft…made the story fit tighter together (and of course explained somewhat the polar bear thing I suppose…or at least deepened the mystery).
-XT
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### Author:  [@Velma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velma)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/146 "2005-09-29T16:33:19Z")
> [@xtisme](#):
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> Disagree…thought the flashbacks went well showing why Michael was in such distress, pretty much in total shock and completely irrational. Certainly we knew that he must have gone through some of that by assumption, but it worked well (for me) showing the flash backs and then him on the raft…made the story fit tighter together (and of course explained somewhat the polar bear thing I suppose…or at least deepened the mystery).
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> -XT
Yes, well I thought they did fit in well enough with the episode and it is always interesting to see a bit of backstory played out. Usually you get an ‘aha’ moment from the flashbacks though that wasn’t here this time. Maybe I am just impatient and want to use all the time allotted each episode to answer some of my frickin’ questions! 🙂
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### Author:  [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/147 "2005-09-29T16:37:57Z")
> [@Antonius Block](#):
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> I’m not **Larry Mudd** , but:
Thanks! (just wanted you to know I appreciated it, it just took me a long time to get back to this thread!)
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### Author:  [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/148 "2005-09-29T16:51:22Z")
Here’s a good look at the [mural](http://pics.livejournal.com/electriclime/pic/0008sw06). Creepy.
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### Author:  [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/149 "2005-09-29T16:55:06Z")
Okay, the promo from last week lied to us! It said, “Next week, the fate of ALL the survivors will be revealed”. Except we still don’t know what’s going on with Walt…
I didn’t see the logo on the shark – what scene was it in? Was it in the scene when Michael shot it (when the fin surfaced)? It was pretty dark on my TV, and that’s the only place I recall part of the creature beind above the water. Or was it some other place?
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### Author:  [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/150 "2005-09-29T16:57:32Z")
I didn’t see it either…hoped one of you caught it. I have it on DvD from last night and plan on going back to take a look tonight unless someone else finds it.
-XT
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### Author:  [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/151 "2005-09-29T17:13:47Z")
They show screencaps [right here](http://www.thetailsection.com/) (scroll down).
They also have spoilers for the next two episodes, if you are inclined to click on them. It’s clear which they are though so you don’t accidentally do.
And don’t worry. I missed the symbol on the shark too.
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### Author:  [@Cat\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Jones)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/152 "2005-09-29T17:15:42Z")
> [@](#):
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> Kate’s choco-gasm was nice, though.
All choco-gasms are nice **Sam Hell** aaaaall of them 😉
> [@](#):
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> _Originallly posted by **Why Not** _
> Doesn’t it seem more likely that the guy in the looney bin who was repeating the numbers is/was Desmond’s intended replacement…or his predecessor?
Predecessor ? I like it … when he got off the island and told people what went on there … they locked him up ?
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### Author:  [@Velma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velma)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/153 "2005-09-29T17:18:11Z")
> [@xtisme](#):
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> I didn’t see it either…hoped one of you caught it. I have it on DvD from last night and plan on going back to take a look tonight unless someone else finds it.
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> -XT
There was a shot of the shark swimming underwater, it was quick but as it goes by you can spot it on the side, near its tail. It is not on the fin that shows above water.
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### Author:  [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/154 "2005-09-29T17:18:52Z")
> [@xtisme](#):
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> Disagree…thought the flashbacks went well showing why Michael was in such distress, pretty much in total shock and completely irrational.
Plus, this gave them an excuse to give his ex-lady some more screen time. Yowza!
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### Author:  [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/155 "2005-09-29T17:20:23Z")
> [@AndyPolley](#):
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> Hurley’s in the hatch!! Hurley to the rescue!
Yes, but how the eff did he get there?
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/156 "2005-09-29T17:22:30Z")
> [@Big G](#):
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> About the snowman joke: Apparently, Michael used this joke in a card he wrote to Walt in one of the flashbacks last season. Also, Hurley told this joke on the beach last season. (Note: I got this from listening to a local morning show today).
I thought the joke that Michael put in the card was the penguin joke-- black and white and red all over.
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### Author:  [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/157 "2005-09-29T18:07:45Z")
> [@Monstre](#):
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> Okay, the promo from last week lied to us! It said, “Next week, the fate of ALL the survivors will be revealed”. Except we still don’t know what’s going on with Walt…
He’s wet, speaking backwards, and has acquired a phobia about buttons.
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### Author:  [@kath94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kath94)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/158 "2005-09-29T18:15:22Z")
> [@Finagle](#):
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> He’s wet, speaking backwards, and has acquired a phobia about buttons.
Well, my first thought last week at seeing a wet Walt was that he had drowned and was appearing “dead” to Shannon. This might mesh with the fact that his character isn’t shown in any promo photos. Anyone else?
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### Author:  [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/159 "2005-09-29T19:37:01Z")
But Desmond asked Locke if any of the survivors were sick. Maybe the front section doesn’t contract any sickness, but the back does and they go all paranoid and the like.
Why did Saiyd look at Charlie funy when he said the Crazy French Lady had a lost wingnut? Did Saiyd see Charlie pick up the statue?
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### Author:  [@AndyPolley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndyPolley)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/160 "2005-09-29T19:56:46Z")
Remember that theory we came across last week based on an obscue French book that uses the numbers? We all thought it was BS. Here’s the apparent proof that it was BS.
[Brillo comes clean](http://www.livejournal.com/users/mattalcala/15575.html)
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