# Lost 2.2: "Adrift"
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [September 28, 2005, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766 "2005-09-28T00:56:56Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/161 "2005-09-29T20:02:35Z")
> [@eenerms](#):
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> Why did Saiyd look at Charlie funy when he said the Crazy French Lady had a lost wingnut? Did Saiyd see Charlie pick up the statue?
No, Sayid heard the voices when he was running from CFL, so if she’s nuts, so is he. Plus, he’s kinda in love with a lady who’ll tie him up and speak french to him and then untie him so he can “fix her music box,” if you know what I mean. :dubious:
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### Author:  [@Cat\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Jones)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/162 "2005-09-29T20:25:37Z")
> [@John Mace](#):
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> I thought the joke that Michael put in the card was the penguin joke-- black and white and red all over.
Yup and **Ponster** also tells me the Hurley joke was about snowballs …
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### Author:  [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/163 "2005-09-29T20:33:11Z")
> [@Cat Jones](#):
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> Well i had that image in my head from when Hurley spotted the numbers but then … there is obvioulsy something nasty ‘out there’ already whereas evil and all manner of other nasty things were released for the first time when Pandora opened the box. OTOH she also released _hope_…
And “hope,” you will recall, is exactly what Locke said he was expecting to find in the hatch.
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### Author:  [@Jurph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jurph)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/164 "2005-09-29T20:35:58Z")
> [@Honey](#):
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> Here’s a good look at the [mural](http://pics.livejournal.com/electriclime/pic/0008sw06). Creepy.
Check out the white face and the dark face in the upper right corner – I don’t know what it means, but I know they’re talking about John Locke! Also, I count 12 stick figures in the upper left. I don’t know what that means, either, but it’s got to be bad. If being a stick figure is a good thing (e.g. surviving) that means 36 people won’t. If being a stick figure is a bad thing (e.g. getting sick, dying, winning a lifetime ticket to live inside the hatch) that means 12 people will.
I agree that the guy in the park with Michael is _not_ Desmond (I now have an HDTV version to flip through).
I noticed that the 108-minute countdown didn’t start ticking once Locke reset it. What happened 108 minutes earlier that might have triggered the countdown that Locke disarmed?
[spoiler]I’ve found the following dialogue from Season 8, Episode 24, that really clears a lot of things up for me.
LOCKE: …but that still doesn’t explain the polar bear.
HAMMOND: What polar bear?
LOCKE: The one we killed the first week we arrived. There was a polar bear on the island!
HAMMOND: Really? That’s pretty wild.
_FADE TO BLACK_
[/spoiler]
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### Author:  [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/165 "2005-09-29T20:39:23Z")
> [@Jurph](#):
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> Also, I count 12 stick figures in the upper left. I don’t know what that means, either, but it’s got to be bad. If being a stick figure is a good thing (e.g. surviving) that means 36 people won’t. If being a stick figure is a bad thing (e.g. getting sick, dying, winning a lifetime ticket to live inside the hatch) that means 12 people will.
Well, we started out with 14 “main” characters. Boone is dead and Walt is missing, leaving 12. Make of that what you will. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/166 "2005-09-29T21:02:34Z")
> [@Jurph](#):
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> I noticed that the 108-minute countdown didn’t start ticking once Locke reset it. What happened 108 minutes earlier that might have triggered the countdown that Locke disarmed?
Good idea. I hadn’t thought of that. It could have been 108 minutes since the hatch was blown. Perhaps if outsiders compromise the security of Desmond’s vault, it will automatically self-destruct after 108 minutes, unless he resets the alarm.
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### Author:  [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/167 "2005-09-29T21:08:46Z")
> [@Dewey Finn](#):
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> Good idea. I hadn’t thought of that. It could have been 108 minutes since the hatch was blown. Perhaps if outsiders compromise the security of Desmond’s vault, it will automatically self-destruct after 108 minutes, unless he resets the alarm.
Does anybody remember offhand if the “alarm” that woke him up in the premiere was that beeping? And did he go right to the computer?
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### Author:  [@Redsland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redsland)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/168 "2005-09-29T21:29:55Z")
> [@Draelin](#):
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> Does anybody remember offhand if the “alarm” that woke him up in the premiere was that beeping? And did he go right to the computer?
Yes on both counts.
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### Author:  [@Ass\_For\_A\_Hat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ass_For_A_Hat)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/169 "2005-09-29T22:03:49Z")
> [@Dewey Finn](#):
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> Perhaps if outsiders compromise the security of Desmond’s vault, it will automatically self-destruct after 108 minutes, unless he resets the alarm.
This same system would also prevent Desmond’s escape. If the system senses people coming in, it would also sense Desmond’s departure. Not that he’s got anywhere to go. If his medicine is destroyed though, he’d succumb to the island’s infection.
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### Author:  [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/170 "2005-09-29T22:15:28Z")
> [@Jurph](#):
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> Check out the white face and the dark face in the upper right corner – I don’t know what it means, but I know they’re talking about John Locke!
I think it’s more literal: A white man and a black man. What other elements are there? Waves, fish, one shark, and a bunch of figures outside the water. (I don’t know how the two houses fit in with the rest.)
Apart from the pictograms, there are numeric figures: The sum of Hurley’s numbers, and one of them in isolation: 42. Given the number of times we see that arrangement of the eight _I Ching_ trigrams in the hatch, it might make sense to look at [hexagram 42](http://www.pale.org/ching/wilhelm/42.html) (Increase.) : The text of the oracle is:
> [@](#):
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> Increase. It furthers one
> To undertake something.
> It furthers one to cross the great water.
The traditional commentary is:
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> Wind and thunder: the image of Increase.
> Thus the superior man:
> If he sees good, he imitates it;
> If he has faults, he rids himself of them.
(Don’t bother reading after that, it all refers to the changing lines you get if you actually cast the oracle. eg; each line of the hexagram has 4 possible states; “solid yin,” “solid yang,” “yin changing to yang,” or “yang changing to yin.” So a proper casting of the _I Ching_ would be “Hexagram X” changing to “Hexagram Y”, and the additional stuff all refers to the significance of individual lines changing. It doesn’t refer to the raw meaning of the hexaqram.)
Anyway, the imagery of hexagram 42 seems to relate to the literal physical situation that Sawyer and Michael were in, and the commentary fits with the personal stuff that they were working through. That’s kind of neat.
While we’re free-associating, that Apollo bar is still on my mind, which _could_ colour the sigificance of that big-assed arrow that’s between “(I) M SICK” and the sun. The sun is associated with Apollo, and the _arrows_ of Apollo symbolize the sudden outbreak (and eventual cure) of contagious disease.
Come to think of it, in the Iliad, Apollo is called _Apollo Smintheus_ (“Apollo Mouse-god”) in connection with his association with plague.
I’m _sure_ there’s a connection between mice and the number 42.
“It sounds good…” 😉
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### Author:  [@Dr.Rieux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Rieux)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/171 "2005-09-29T22:18:22Z")
> [@rockle](#):
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> I don’t think the thing with the marked tail was a shark. IANA ichthyologist, but I think sharks’ tails move in a fish-like manner: more back-and-forth than up-and-down. That Water Thing’s tail moved more like a whale’s or a dolphin’s (mammals, not fish). If there actually _was_ a shark, it was in the water _in addition to_ the Water Thing, no?
[Dolphin](http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1577753,00.html), hmmm?
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### Author:  [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/172 "2005-09-29T23:20:00Z")
> [@Antonius Block](#):
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> I’d be surprised if the writers make Jack [bisexual](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo), however…
Well, he is [bi-curious.](http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1503#post1503)😛
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [September 29, 2005, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/173 "2005-09-29T23:34:51Z")
> [@rockle](#):
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> I don’t think the thing with the marked tail was a shark. IANA ichthyologist, but I think sharks’ tails move in a fish-like manner: more back-and-forth than up-and-down. That Water Thing’s tail moved more like a whale’s or a dolphin’s (mammals, not fish). If there actually was a shark, it was in the water in addition to the Water Thing, no?
It’s a shark. I saw the tail moving laterally, in the manner of a fish. The dorsal fin also was straight, not curved like a dolphin’s.
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### Author:  [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/174 "2005-09-30T00:16:50Z")
> [@John Mace](#):
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> It’s a shark. I saw the tail moving laterally, in the manner of a fish. The dorsal fin also was straight, not curved like a dolphin’s.
Well, what was going on when the Water Thing breached (or whatever it’s called), when all that appeared out of the water was the “V” of the tail? I’ve seen Shark Week like 15 times. Sharks don’t do that (do they?), and this thing did. Did no one else see that? I think there was _ **a** _ shark, but it was Not Alone.
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### Author:  [@Skott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skott)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/175 "2005-09-30T00:58:41Z")
> [@Honey](#):
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> Here’s a good look at the [mural](http://pics.livejournal.com/electriclime/pic/0008sw06). Creepy.
Thanks for the link. 🙂 One thing I noticed is that everywhere I’ve read, they say that the mural says “m sick” and wonder what “m” means. However, there’s a pictograph of an eye right before it…
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/176 "2005-09-30T01:10:59Z")
> [@rockle](#):
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> Well, what was going on when the Water Thing breached (or whatever it’s called), when all that appeared out of the water was the “V” of the tail? I’ve seen Shark Week like 15 times. Sharks don’t do that (do they?), and this thing did. Did no one else see that? I think there was _ **a** _ shark, but it was Not Alone.
I’ve seen Great Whites leap into the air much like dolphins do, with their entire bodies out of the water. Did you not notice how the camera, showing the shark’s eye view, rocked back and forth-- left and right-- in the exact manner that a shark would swim? Dophins breach mainly to breathe. Did you see a blow-hole?
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### Author:  [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/177 "2005-09-30T01:15:17Z")
How did Kate get so far into Desmond’s cave? I assumed that he knocked her out as she descended and brought her further in. But when Locke showed up, Desmond asked him who she was. Wouldn’t he already know something about her?
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### Author:  [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/178 "2005-09-30T01:34:12Z")
> [@John Mace](#):
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> I’ve seen Great Whites leap into the air much like dolphins do, with their entire bodies out of the water. Did you not notice how the camera, showing the shark’s eye view, rocked back and forth-- left and right-- in the exact manner that a shark would swim? Dophins breach mainly to breathe. Did you see a blow-hole?
No … the only “un-shark-like” behavior I saw was a tail coming out of the water and going back under, like the flukes of humpbacks that I’ve seen on whale watches (I think that behavior is called “lobtailing,” but maybe not). No blowhole, as I did not see the entire head or back of whatever it was. I saw the shark fin near the pontoon and I don’t doubt there are sharks in the water. I just think there may be something else too. But it sounds like nobody else saw what I thought I saw (except my husband, and he was with me at the time, so he is not a reliable source, I don’t think).
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### Author:  [@Caricci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caricci)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/179 "2005-09-30T01:46:29Z")
I have noticed that Walt is not in any promo pictures.
I’ve also noticed that we were to find out the fate of all the survivors and we didn’t find out about Walt.
Now I’m reading about the mural and the 12, not 14 main characters and the white face and the black face.
Oh, MAN! Well, you know…
I guess the poor little guy is dead. ☹
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### Author:  [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)
#### Post date: [September 30, 2005, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-2-adrift/323766/180 "2005-09-30T01:47:16Z")
My Google ads are all for Pandora jewelry and beads.
By the way, Charlie is Pan.
As for the mural, what’s that thing in the far right corner near the light? It looks like it has two large front teeth. Could it be the rabbit from Monty Python and the Holy Grail?
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