# Lost 2.23: "Live Together, Die Alone" \[Season Finale\] Open Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 24, 2006, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024 "2006-05-24T13:20:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/221 "2006-05-25T15:30:14Z")
> [@honeydewgrrl](#): > > I’m under the impression that Walt’s ‘unique qualities’ were more than the Others had bargained for, so while he was initially sought out by them as an asset, once they had him, he turned out to be a potential liability…hence the deal with Michael to release them on their merry way. Curses! An entire night goes by without anyone else making the point I wanted to make, and then you scoop me while I’m writing! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/222 "2006-05-25T15:30:41Z")
Why are we assuming that Maichael and WAAAAAAAAALT are going to actually leave on the boat? We know that Desmond (an experienced sailor) couldn’t get away in his ocean-going yacht. We know that the Other’s lil’ tub isn’t suitable for the open sea. So why will Micael escape (even though we all desperately want to get rid of him)? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/223 "2006-05-25T15:31:49Z")
Oh yeah, has anyone put any thought into the title? Who died? Or did Locke and Ecko **not** die because at the very end they were together in the room? Anyone? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/224 "2006-05-25T15:32:40Z")
> [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](#): > > The guys in the outpost were definitely speaking Portuguese according to my closed captioning. They also said something about they were glad they didn’t miss this one, implying that they have missed earlier EM events. I’m guessing that would be the one that brought down Flight 815. If they were in the Antarctic, somewhere under the central Pacific, then they could have called Penelope in Britain. That would account for the day/night difference. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/225 "2006-05-25T15:35:51Z")
I haven’t seen anyone mention this yet, but wasn’t Michael getting sick at one point?? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Carnage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/max_carnage/32/12775_2.png) [@Max\_Carnage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Carnage)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/226 "2006-05-25T15:39:06Z")
Minor little thing I noticed. In the flashback laundry room, there was actually a jug of Purex brand laundry detergent. That’s the first non-Dharma branded goods I’ve seen on the island. Well, that and Apollo bars. ---
**Author:** ![Rachael\_Rage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@Rachael\_Rage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachael_Rage)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/227 "2006-05-25T15:42:12Z")
> [@tanstaafl](#): > > And, did not-Henry says something to Michael like “Walt decided to join us”? I heard that too. Of course, Michael didn’t manage to say “what what _what_?” > [@tanstaafl](#): > > Does Michael really expect to be rescued? He gets picked up and says “Yeah, we’re the only survivors from flight 815, but we can’t tell you where we’ve been for the past two months or where this boat came from. Sorry.” Yeah, that’ll work… [Henry as Mr. Burns] Release the Dharma-logo, boat-eating sharks. [/Henry as Mr. Burns] ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/228 "2006-05-25T15:43:27Z")
> [@drewcosten](#): > > I’m fairly sure it said Newport Beach. I’m staring at it now and you got it right. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/229 "2006-05-25T15:48:36Z")
> [@vaderspal](#): > > [Henry as Mr. Burns] > > Release the Dharma-logo, boat-eating sharks. > > [/Henry as Mr. Burns] “Release the Dharma-brand™ boat-eating sharks.” 🙂 -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/230 "2006-05-25T15:56:12Z")
1. I was right (or mostly right) about Fake Henry being a leader among the Others; yay for me. 2. I’m thinking that Sayid is still out there, maybe even pretty close to the dock and might be able to see what’s going on. Guerrilla warfare, anyone? 3. I really, REALLY wanted to see Michael and Walt get blown up on that boat. Does that make me evil? 4. I wish Charlie had been killed in the blast. Again; does that make me evil? ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/231 "2006-05-25T16:03:19Z")
Just remembered something that occured to me. Isn’t this the first time we have had a scene not on (or near) the Island that _wasn’t_ in a flashback? And doesn’t this pretty much eliminate all of the “they’re in another time” or “the rest of the world has been destroyed” theories? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/232 "2006-05-25T16:03:59Z")
> [@Cuckoorex](#): > > 1. I was right (or mostly right) about Fake Henry being a leader among the Others; yay for me. > > 2. I’m thinking that Sayid is still out there, maybe even pretty close to the dock and might be able to see what’s going on. Guerrilla warfare, anyone? > > 3. I really, REALLY wanted to see Michael and Walt get blown up on that boat. Does that make me evil? > > 4. I wish Charlie had been killed in the blast. Again; does that make me evil? 1. Props for you! 2. Maybe more like piracy. He’s on the boat with Jin and Sun. Maybe they can run down and sink Michael. (See #3) 3. See #2. 4. No. Twisted, maybe. But not evil. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/233 "2006-05-25T16:04:37Z")
> [@tanstaafl](#): > > Though I suppose it should be Lemuria, since they’re in the Pacific. Given the Nigerian plane, I’m still halfway convinced the island is a mobile platform. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/234 "2006-05-25T16:10:49Z")
Did anyone notice that the name of Elizabeth/Libby’s dead husband was David? Dave, of course, was Hurley’s “friend” in the psych ward – and Libby was there at the same time. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![yellowval](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/919ad9/32.png) [@yellowval](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowval)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/235 "2006-05-25T16:17:09Z")
> [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](#): > > Since “The Swan” hatch is gone now, who else thinks that the electromagnetic anomaly’s won’t exist. So maybe compasses will work now? Maybe Michael will make it? This brings up other things that the island/electromagnet are speculated to have caused. Specifically the healing of Locke, Rose, and Jin. Will Locke be back to the wheelchair? Will Rose’s cancer return? Will Jin’s little swimmers evaporate? Also, if it was so easy just to turn the magnet off, why have they kept it going all this time? Why not just shut the magnet off? Doesn’t seem to have killed anyone yet, that we know of. I think the reasons why it has not must be very important to Hanso. I also wonder if Henry, Klugh, et al. knew the importance of the magnet (or potential lack thereof). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/236 "2006-05-25T16:26:23Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > So…we know what (probably) brought down the plane. Two questions… > > First, how did anyone survive? “Cartwheeling through the jungle” and lots of people walk away with minimal damage? Jack survives the crash, he’s in the jungle, he’s not in his seat, and he’s unhurt? > > Second, and I’m assuming this is just a bit of bad science, if you’ve got an electromagnet that can tear a plane apart from 8 miles up and unknown miles horizontally, isn’t it likely that Desmond’s fillings would have been ripped out of his head and through the back of his skull? Last I remember, magnetism is a very powerful but short-ranged force. For it to reach a long distance the power up close would have to be immense. I’m talking Bluebeard’s boat being dragged out of the water and tearing a path through the jungle, here. Yes, yes, yes and yes! All those things. But a magnetic field works the same as an electric field-- in fact, they are the same thing (Electromagnetism). Both forces obey an inverse square law. So, are we thinking that Jack and Kate were excchanging “meaningful glances”, which is what Sawyer was thinking, or was it an acknowledgement to put “Plan B” into motion? And is Michael aware of and part of “Plan B”? I’m not fully conviced of that, but I’m leaning in that direction. And I’ll second the person who said a native Spanish speaker would not mistake Portugese for Spanish (unless, perhaps, the native speaker spoke the Galician dialect of Spanish). ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/237 "2006-05-25T16:31:26Z")
> [@](#): > > The thing I don’t get now, though, is that if Desmond brought down Flight 815 by accident, due to neglecting the button, how did Hanso/Dharma know that all these ‘special’ people should be on that particular flight? Are we right back to wondering whether it’s just a coincidence, or if there was something deliberate about them all being there? I don’t think any of it was coincidence. We’ve had way too much setup at this point for me to believe that this group of people ended up on this island totally by accident. I think Brother Justin\*deliberately led Desmond away from the hatch at that time so that the button would go un-pushed. He knew that Desmond would follow him if he saw the torn suit, and he led him far enough away that he couldn’t get back in time. I also think he is far less dead than Desmond thought he was. - aka Mr. Krabs ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/238 "2006-05-25T16:42:40Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > So, are we thinking that Jack and Kate were excchanging “meaningful glances”, which is what Sawyer was thinking, or was it an acknowledgement to put “Plan B” into motion? And is Michael aware of and part of “Plan B”? I’m not fully conviced of that, but I’m leaning in that direction. My wife and I thought the same thing about “Plan B” last night. Maybe there was a backup plan that Jack told Kate but not Sawyer or Hurley? > [@](#): > > And I’ll second the person who said a native Spanish speaker would not mistake Portugese for Spanish (unless, perhaps, the native speaker spoke the Galician dialect of Spanish). Ideally they wouldn’t. But we are talking about a couple of phrases mumbled on a TV show. My wife said she could understand some of what they were saying. Are you saying she’s lying about understanding them, that I’m lying saying that she speaks Spanish or that the Close Captioning system of whoever made that post is lying about them speaking Portugese? ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/239 "2006-05-25T16:44:36Z")
This whole episode was like one big WTF after another. It made 24 seem absolutely plausible. Most critically, why would Desmond go along with Locke’s little let’s-not-push-the-button experiment? He’s already seen what happens. Bad, bad stuff. He could have mentioned that to Locke. The sailboat was looking pretty good for something that was wrecked on a reef and then spent three years out in the weather. I’d like to know where all the fiberglass resin to repair it came from. The HUGE pile of pneumatic tube capsules. Something makes no sense about that. Namely, if there were guys in the hatch continually writing notebooks and stuffing them in tubes, they would have had to have had something like 40,000 tubes to start with. I was disappointed in Desmond’s backstory – when we first saw him in Jack’s flashback, he was kind an oracular presence. But then it turns out he’s just a dumb schmuck like everyone else on the island, possibly even dumber because he bought the whole story of not going outside for \* three years \*. Sayid’s plan could not possibly have been dumber. We know the bad guys have at least one power boat, and there’s nothing more visible on the high seas than a sailboat. Since when does dynamite generate huge flaming fireballs? A big _bang!_ and some overpressure, yes. But unless they were dumb enough to ignite it next to barrel of kerosene, no big fireball. I only caught a few episodes this season, but what’s the deal with the invisible map? Couldn’t they, like, you know, write it down on paper? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/240 "2006-05-25T16:52:12Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > My wife and I thought the same thing about “Plan B” last night. Maybe there was a backup plan that Jack told Kate but not Sawyer or Hurley? Yep, both of those guys were out of the loop. Loop, dude! 🙂 > [@](#): > > Ideally they wouldn’t. But we are talking about a couple of phrases mumbled on a TV show. My wife said she could understand some of what they were saying. Are you saying she’s lying about understanding them, that I’m lying saying that she speaks Spanish or that the Close Captioning system of whoever made that post is lying about them speaking Portugese? Well, you’re original post said “Spanish-speaking” not native speaker. Hell, I could call myself “Spanish-speaking”, so I was thinking that she might not be a native speaker. So, no, I was not saying you were lying. Sorry if that was confusing. Funny thing is, how many of us thought “Russian”. I think we assumed, before any words were spoken, that the guys were Russian. I know I did. Then I heard a couple “Spanish sounding” words, and immediately said “must be Portugese” to my friends. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024.md?page=13)