# Lost 2.23: "Live Together, Die Alone" \[Season Finale\] Open Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 24, 2006, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024 "2006-05-24T13:20:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/341 "2006-05-26T16:50:08Z")
> [@Dewey Finn](#): > > And the station that Sayid found near the yurts was just a stone wall (perhaps a cave collapsed?). So something happened on the island that caused the Hanso Foundation to evacuate. I think that “hatch” was a mock-up, built by the Others. Part of the whole fake village, living in huts, eating fish, guarding their own hatch, less armed than we are ruse. I don’t think that was a real Dharma hatch at all, ever. * * * On those lockdowns, I’m wondering why each room needs to get locked down from the other. If the lockdown is to keep a hatch dweller from going outside during a food/supply drop, they run the risk of accidentally locking the button pusher away from the computer (like Locke in the first lockdown we saw), and causing the super magnet / anomaly to kill everybody. But if the lockdown is not to prevent the Hatchies from going outside, then what’s the purpose? ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/342 "2006-05-26T16:56:52Z")
I don’t think it would be unusual for Desmond’s boat to be far away from other competitors. It’s a round-the-world race. It takes months to complete and the oceans are very big and you can lose sight of any competitor very quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/343 "2006-05-26T16:57:01Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Still, the counter was pretty much destroyed, so they’d have to set up a new timing system (unless the alarm mechanism is still working). But it’s going to a huge stretch of the imagination to believe that the Swan station is still operable after what happened in the Season Finale. My impression was that the whole “failsafe turn the key” thing was a last ditch measure that would terminate for good the super magnet necessitating the button pushing thing. My impression is that the button no longer needs to be pushed, because whatever it was is now either destroyed or defunct. Anybody else get this impression as well? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/344 "2006-05-26T17:00:09Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Funny thing is, how many of us thought “Russian”. I think we assumed, before any words were spoken, that the guys were Russian. I know I did. Then I heard a couple “Spanish sounding” words, and immediately said “must be Portugese” to my friends. Just talked to my mother, who speaks Portuguese, and she confirmed it. (She thinks it was Brazilian Portuguese, as opposed to the Azorean Portuguese she knows). I always thought Portuguese sounded like a cross between Spanish and Russian. ---
**Author:** ![Stereo\_Isomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Stereo\_Isomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stereo_Isomer)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/345 "2006-05-26T17:06:57Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > On those lockdowns, I’m wondering why each room needs to get locked down from the other. If the lockdown is to keep a hatch dweller from going outside during a food/supply drop, they run the risk of accidentally locking the button pusher away from the computer (like Locke in the first lockdown we saw), and causing the super magnet / anomaly to kill everybody. > > But if the lockdown is not to prevent the Hatchies from going outside, then what’s the purpose? Don’t forget that they get an announcement with a countdown when a lockdown is coming. It couldn’t be heard too well when it happened to Locke because the facility hasn’t been well maintained, but presumably, if everything was functioning as originally intended, it would be heard loud and clear with plenty of time given, and those in the station would have been trained to expect it. > [@Monstre](#): > > My impression is that the button no longer needs to be pushed, because whatever it was is now either destroyed or defunct. Anybody else get this impression as well? Yes, that was what I thought after that scene too. Though that raises the question of why the Dharma initiative didn’t do that a long time ago. They must have been getting something out of maintaining the magnet. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/346 "2006-05-26T17:29:24Z")
You’all are not going to believe the stupidity that came upon me Wednesday night. Instead of using the automatic recording for Lost on my DVR, I scheduled a manual recording like I usually do in order to have it record until 5 minutes after the hour. I watched the first 40 minutes of the show or so and then went to bed, safe in the fact that my favorite show would be waiting for me when I was ready. Then next night after work, I get in my comfy sweats, pour a glass of wine and sit down to watch the show. Turn on TV, click on recorded list and I see: Wednesday, May 24th, Lost----8:58pm to 10:05pm :eek: :smack: Crappity crappity crap!!! ---
**Author:** ![jaderabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9fc29f/32.png) [@jaderabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaderabbit)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/347 "2006-05-26T17:36:29Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Just talked to my mother, who speaks Portuguese, and she confirmed it. (She thinks it was Brazilian Portuguese, as opposed to the Azorean Portuguese she knows). I always thought Portuguese sounded like a cross between Spanish and Russian. Thanks. My half-Brazilian friend must have a funny accent, since she sounds nothing like these guys. But I’m glad to know that I can understand Portuguese at least some of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/348 "2006-05-26T17:37:58Z")
> [@Stereo Isomer](#): > > Don’t forget that they get an announcement with a countdown when a lockdown is coming. It couldn’t be heard too well when it happened to Locke because the facility hasn’t been well maintained, but presumably, if everything was functioning as originally intended, it would be heard loud and clear with plenty of time given, and those in the station would have been trained to expect it. Well, I considered the little warning countdown, but was also thinking, “What if one is asleep when it comes?” – might not be enough warning. (Or maybe in the shower, or on the can… ;)) Although, the _intention_ of the station was to have 2 people manning it, with one awake (and “on duty”?) at any given time. So presumably, that shouldn’t have been a problem under normal operating circumstances? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/349 "2006-05-26T17:41:07Z")
But you can watch the whole episode for free on ABC’s website, which is better than the $1.99 downloads NBC offers. (It’s not perfect, as you see the show in a window and not full-screen, and usually it’s not as comfortable as watching it on TV.) ---
**Author:** ![jaderabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9fc29f/32.png) [@jaderabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaderabbit)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/350 "2006-05-26T17:42:40Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Not just that. You want to know what annoyed me the most? > > Why didn’t Locke show some, you know, FUCKING BRAINS!?!!? > > Going to beat up Ecko and not let him put in the numbers, right? That’s going to work. Not only that, but he was hugely insensitive. Locke has usually been a pretty good manipulator of other ppl, but he’s really been losing it. “Hey, I’m going to tell the African guy he’s a SLAVE if he does what I don’t want him to do! Africans love it when Americans talk about slavery! And if that doesn’t work, I’ll try to beat him up! That will make total sense and make him feel that I’m really on his side!” I really lost respect for Locke at that point. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/351 "2006-05-26T17:52:40Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > My impression is that the button no longer needs to be pushed, because whatever it was is now either destroyed or defunct. Anybody else get this impression as well? Absolutely. In fact, the Swan may well not appear at all in season 3, except just long enough for Locke, Eko, and hopefully Desmond to leave it, and perhaps when one of the characters gets a tip that something important was located in there (a total WAG, but I love it when that kind of thing happens). Consider that in season 1, the big mystery was the hatch. Then the hatch was opened, and the big mystery after that was what happens when the timer runs down. The actual _hatch_ Locke was obsessing over was never used once they found the alternate entrance, except when Eko needed it in the finale. My guess is the new mystery in season 3 will be “The Room” that Walt mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/352 "2006-05-26T18:01:48Z")
> [@Dewey Finn](#): > > But you can watch the whole episode for free on ABC’s website, which is better than the $1.99 downloads NBC offers. (It’s not perfect, as you see the show in a window and not full-screen, and usually it’s not as comfortable as watching it on TV.) I don’t have any speakers on my computer. I tried to watch anyway but it’s not quite the same. If anyone has a good old fashioned VHS tape of the show I could borrow, I’d gladly pay for shipping. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/353 "2006-05-26T18:05:57Z")
> [@Stereo Isomer](#): > > That’s an interesting thought. I hadn’t thought of the possibility that something other than an explosion forced the door into the air. Can electromagnets reverse polarity, so that they repel rather than attract? In that case maybe at its last stage it sent metal flying in the opposite directions (but spared the Losties if nothing metal happened to hit them). ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/354 "2006-05-26T18:08:50Z")
Add me to the list of those who are confused about The Key. So we had (on 9/22) a countdown to zero, defcon penguin. Electromagnetic anomaly occurs (possibly); “system failure” on screen and printout. Plane crashes. Then we had a countdown to zero, defcon penguin on Wednesday. (Did the monitor display “system failure”?) Key is inserted and turned. Electromagnetic anomaly occurs (as reported in the snowy monitoring station). Big noise and big lights and the “quarantine” sign falls out of the sky. So what did the key do, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/355 "2006-05-26T18:14:28Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Add me to the list of those who are confused about The Key. > > So we had (on 9/22) a countdown to zero, defcon penguin. Electromagnetic anomaly occurs (possibly); “system failure” on screen and printout. Plane crashes. > > Then we had a countdown to zero, defcon penguin on Wednesday. (Did the monitor display “system failure”?) Key is inserted and turned. Electromagnetic anomaly occurs (as reported in the snowy monitoring station). Big noise and big lights and the “quarantine” sign falls out of the sky. > > So what did the key do, exactly? The monitor said nothing (other than “ow”) it was in pieces on the floor as the events occurred. The key? Why it reveresed the polarity of the hyperpandimensionalmagnetothingy of course. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/356 "2006-05-26T18:18:02Z")
Hmmm…I’m beginning to suspect The Key is the writer’s way of getting our characters out of hatch duty in Season 3, but that begs the question of why the Dharmites didn’t use it before. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/357 "2006-05-26T18:18:05Z")
> [@jaderabbit](#): > > I really lost respect for Locke at that point. Well, he’s having a really bad month. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/358 "2006-05-26T18:23:25Z")
> [@jaderabbit](#): > > “Hey, I’m going to tell the African guy he’s a SLAVE if he does what I don’t want him to do! Africans love it when Americans talk about slavery!” In my experience, it’s Americans who have the big taboos in that department. I wouldn’t expect any of the Ethiopian, Nigerian, or Somalian guys I’ve known to get bent-out-of-shape about the “slave” part of being told they were slaves to their beliefs – they’d just react to the attack on their beliefs. (I guess you might say they don’t have as big a button to push.) ---
**Author:** ![GSV\_Consolation\_of\_Dreams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f1d935/32.png) [@GSV\_Consolation\_of\_Dreams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GSV_Consolation_of_Dreams)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/359 "2006-05-26T18:23:32Z")
Did anyone else notice the uncanny remblance of Dr. Jack to one of the Portuguese chess players? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/360 "2006-05-26T18:31:55Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > So what did the key do, exactly? Well, Kelvin (who, concensus seems to agree, actually worked for Dharma and therefore probably knew more about the situation than he bothered to explain in a drunken stupor) said something on the order of “blow it all up” or something; after that scene I was convinced that it was a suicidal doomsday switch–if the numbers didn’t work, you could jettison the warp core and the problem would be dealt with, but that wasn’t the Initiative’s first priority because they still need to study the anomaly. Which would explain why nobody had used it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024.md?page=19)