# Lost 2.23: "Live Together, Die Alone" \[Season Finale\] Open Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 24, 2006, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024 "2006-05-24T13:20:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Operation\_Ripper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/34f0e0/32.png) [@Operation\_Ripper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Operation_Ripper)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2006, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/421 "2006-06-02T03:51:44Z")
> [@vaderspal](#): > > Cindy was a brunette. I didn’t see her there, but I also wasn’t paying close attention to the other Others. > > I hadn’t thought of a Plan B, but I did notice a lot of meaningful looks between Michael and Jack, and Hurley and Jack, before they left. Of course the looks could be dismissed as “I’m sorry I killed the drunks 'n all. See ya” and “Dude, I kinda feel bad leaving when you’re all tied up”, respectively. But this adds a new dimension to it. Perhaps off-camera, the Five (including Michael) formulated some ludicrously complicated “here’s what we do when we’re captured by the Others” plan. Yeah, I thought that too, but even if true to the nth degree, does not excuse that douchebag Michael from killing two Losties in cold blood when not even the life of his son was in danger. I _hate_ Michael. ---
**Author:** ![Alias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2006, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/422 "2006-06-02T14:40:38Z")
> [@Operation Ripper](#): > > Yeah, I thought that too, but even if true to the nth degree, does not excuse that douchebag Michael from killing two Losties in cold blood when not even the life of his son was in danger. I _hate_ Michael. Yeah! At first, I thought it was part of the deal that he kill Ana Lucia, and Libby was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. It also crossed my mind that maybe he had been brainwashed. Forgivable. But when we finally got to see what happened to him in the Others’ camp, I hated him too. Couldn’t he have just as easily gotten Ana Lucia out of the hatch and then let Fenry go? It would have taken more time and been more difficult, but it wouldn’t have resulted in a bloodbath. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2006, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/423 "2006-06-02T15:06:24Z")
> [@Alias](#): > > Yeah! At first, I thought it was part of the deal that he kill Ana Lucia, and Libby was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. It also crossed my mind that maybe he had been brainwashed. Forgivable. But when we finally got to see what happened to him in the Others’ camp, I hated him too. Couldn’t he have just as easily gotten Ana Lucia out of the hatch and then let Fenry go? It would have taken more time and been more difficult, but it wouldn’t have resulted in a bloodbath. **BUT THEY HAD HIS SON!!!** -Joe ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2006, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/424 "2006-06-02T15:22:18Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > **BUT THEY HAD HIS SON!!!** > > -Joe **Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalt!** ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2006, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/425 "2006-06-02T16:45:11Z")
> [@The Chao Goes Mu](#): > > **Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalt!** Yeah, if Lost has taught me anything, it’s that running around a semi-deserted island while shouting my kid’s name is actually a viable way of recovering my child\*. -Joe \*Incidentally, I may have to kill some innocents ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2006, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/426 "2006-06-02T17:46:13Z")
What was Michael’s kid’s name again? I forgot it. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2006, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/427 "2006-06-02T17:57:15Z")
> [@BiblioCat](#): > > What was Michael’s kid’s name again? I forgot it. Shecky. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2006, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/428 "2006-06-02T17:58:38Z")
Ah, yes. Thanks. Now I remember Michael running through the jungle yelling, “Sheckyyyyyyyyyyyy!” ---
**Author:** ![medstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@medstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/medstar)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2006, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/429 "2006-06-03T01:11:57Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > Besides, who wants to stay a place called, _The Rape Cave_? Uh, excuse me but I might have missed a reference to a RAPE CAVE? When did this happen? I don’t recall anyone getting raped anywhere, what episode was this in? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![medstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@medstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/medstar)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2006, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/430 "2006-06-03T01:13:21Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Oh, I’m not done yet. Wait until I tell you how mitochondrial DNA, season two of _WKRP in Cincinnati_, and the Cretaceous period fits into it. 😉 Why do you hate me? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Tyrrell\_McAllister](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tyrrell_mcallister/32/16772_2.png) [@Tyrrell\_McAllister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tyrrell_McAllister)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2006, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/431 "2006-06-03T01:22:08Z")
> [@medstar](#): > > Uh, excuse me but I might have missed a reference to a RAPE CAVE? When did this happen? I don’t recall anyone getting raped anywhere, what episode was this in? 😕 IIRC, Shannon called them that after Claire woke up in the middle of the night screaming that someone was trying to inject her pregnant belly with something. ---
**Author:** ![JoeSki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b487fb/32.png) [@JoeSki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoeSki)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2006, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/432 "2006-06-03T06:44:49Z")
> [@BiblioCat](#): > > I can’t remember why they wanted to leave the caves - did they think The Others were coming there to find them? Why was the beach a better place? Well one of them did cave in. Would you want to sleep in a cave on the same island after that? Or any cave at all for that matter? ---
**Author:** ![Plynck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Plynck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plynck)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2006, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/433 "2006-06-03T19:24:53Z")
> [@BiblioCat](#): > > Maybe a new thread for the summer - “Lost, the summer repeats” would be good for digging through stuff we missed the first time around. We could hash over the shows as they re-air, rather than dig up the older threads. Well, until that thread comes along… I remember that the writers dropped a hint early in the season that Desmond packed up a very important book when he ran out of the hatch. The camera focused on O’Brien’s \*“The Third Policeman”, \* which led to some speculation here. However, the last episode instead focused on Dickens’ \*“Our Mutual Friend”. \* Did the Dickens book show up at all when he was packing? Otherwise, somehow he ran off ignoring the book that he had carried around for years. ---
**Author:** ![Rachael\_Rage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@Rachael\_Rage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachael_Rage)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2006, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/434 "2006-06-03T19:34:17Z")
> [@Tyrrell McAllister](#): > > IIRC, Shannon called them that after Claire woke up in the middle of the night screaming that someone was trying to inject her pregnant belly with something. Yup, that was it. Aw, I miss Shannon! ☹😃 Her lines were almost as quotable as Sawyer’s. ---
**Author:** ![Rachael\_Rage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71c47a/32.png) [@Rachael\_Rage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachael_Rage)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2006, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/435 "2006-06-03T20:04:13Z")
> [@Plynck](#): > > Well, until that thread comes along… > > I remember that the writers dropped a hint early in the season that Desmond packed up a very important book when he ran out of the hatch. The camera focused on O’Brien’s \*“The Third Policeman”, \* which led to some speculation here. However, the last episode instead focused on Dickens’ \*“Our Mutual Friend”. \* Did the Dickens book show up at all when he was packing? Otherwise, somehow he ran off ignoring the book that he had carried around for years. I think this is the one: [The Lost Experience - summer thread and website spoilers](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=374042) ---
**Author:** ![Rillian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bcef8e/32.png) [@Rillian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rillian)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2006, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024/436 "2006-06-03T21:08:24Z")
Could the Others consider themselves good because they are seeking to protect the island and its mysteries from the outside world who would be tempted to use them unwisely? Hence the hidden nature of the island and the use of deadly force by the Others to protect the secrets. Charles Widmore is a “bad” person attempting to find and use the island for his own benefit. He suspects the island is somewhere in the Pacific. He sends multiple people to try and find it: the real Henry Gale in a Widmore [ballon](http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x17/widmoreBalloon.jpg) and sponsors a sailboat race whose course includes the suspected location. Plus his bio states he is an [industrialist and philanthropist](http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x23/charlesWidmore.jpg): stereotypical bad guy occupations. Penelope either is looking for Desmond or helping her father find the island. Was Charles competing in his own race? Perhaps he made it to the island and is being held captive by the Others and Penelope is trying to find him, not Desmond. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-23-live-together-die-alone-season-finale-open-spoilers/358024.md?page=21)