# Lost 2.3: "Orientation" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 5, 2005, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852 "2005-10-05T06:24:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/221 "2005-10-07T16:57:59Z")
Haven’t Jin and Sun have had subtitled conversations that confirm much of their back story? ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/222 "2005-10-07T17:01:10Z")
> [@Fiver](#): > > The common wisdom is that he’s Rose’s husband, who went to the loo in the tail section just before it broke off. > > I don’t remember how we know that. Did a producer say so, or is everyone just assuming it? Rose told Jack her husband had gone to the loo and looked towards the back of the plane moments before they started to rattle. Charlie was in the front bathroom at the time, so Rose’s husband went to the back bathroom. And according to a few places around (I forget where, either online or my local paper who has a habit of publishing vaguely spoilery stuff) there were at least 4 survivors of the back of the plane. Ana-lucia, Rose’s husband and two others. Rose’s husband took off into the jungle to find his wife and never returned. Not sure how accurate it is, but I suppose we’ll find out. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/223 "2005-10-07T17:05:10Z")
> [@flex727](#): > > Nah, he’s Rose’s husband, dontcha think? I thought he looked to young to be Rose’s husband, but the way they had the damn camera jerking around, it was hard to see anything. Anyway, I’m not convinced these particular Others are from flight 815. I get the impression that these guys, like Ethan, are ramped up somehow. Steroids? Magnetic waves stimulating their adrenaline? Beats me, but that’s what I figure. I kinda got the feeling Desmond was maybe ramped up a bit too, from his injections. Pissed off Latina girl didn’t seem concerned at all being in a pit with three grown men. It seemed she could have gone Xena on them at any time. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/224 "2005-10-07T17:30:04Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Maybe the ‘bad luck’ Hurley had afterwards was due to his constant thinking about the numbers after he won the lottery. Well, except that he wasn’t. I just watched “Numbers” last night (going through the DVDs with a “Lost” virgin), and at first Hurley assumed the _money_ was cursed and was the source of his trouble. It wasn’t until well into the run of bad luck that he made the connection with the numbers. (He was talking to his accountant about a factory fire that killed a bunch of people but that due to insurance actually increased his net worth. The accountant casually asked where the lottery numbers came from, and that’s when the insight hit Hurley.) Up until that point, he wasn’t thinking about the numbers at all, and bad stuff was happening anyway. Interesting hypothesis otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/225 "2005-10-07T18:13:25Z")
I haven’t seen the _Numbers_ episode so forgive me if this already has been discussed. The things I came up with regarding the numbers, as well as what has already been mentioned are that 1. the sum of all the numbers in the sequence = 108 2. 108 minutes is 60 x 1.8 3. the flight was number 815 which is the 2nd and 3rd number in the sequence Ok so that’s all I’ve got. Have any of you mathmeticians out there found anything interesting with the numbers? Or hey, the writers could’ve just picked them randomly. ---
**Author:** ![RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/53a042/32.png) [@RancidYakButterTeaParty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RancidYakButterTeaParty)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/226 "2005-10-07T18:23:17Z")
> [@The Chao Goes Mu](#): > > Have any of you mathmeticians out there found anything interesting with the numbers? Or hey, the writers could’ve just picked them randomly. You can find some interesting stuff on # 108 [here](http://www.springtimesong.com/wcFeature108.htm) Not sure if someone already talked about that info. in another thread or not. ---
**Author:** ![LateComer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b5ac83/32.png) [@LateComer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LateComer)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/227 "2005-10-07T18:35:57Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Anyway, I’m not convinced these particular Others are from flight 815. I get the impression that these guys, like Ethan, are ramped up somehow. Steroids? > . . . > Pissed off Latina girl didn’t seem concerned at all being in a pit with three grown men. It seemed she could have gone Xena on them at any time. Well, it’s explicit that Pissed off Latina girl was on the flight since she was having drinks in the airport bar with the doctor. Unless you’re suggesting that she took the Dharma shuttle. ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/228 "2005-10-07T18:45:47Z")
Someone suggested that BBBB (Big badass black brotha) was a surviving Nigerian drug smuggler, which means hijinks galore if he spots Charlie with that Virgin Mary statue. I find that lots more credible than him being Rose’s husband, whom i don’t think we’ve seen yet. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/229 "2005-10-07T18:46:24Z")
Here are some [screencaps](http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID77/289.shtml) for past and future eps. Can someone tell me who the person is in photo #32? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/230 "2005-10-07T19:19:30Z")
> [@LateComer](#): > > Well, it’s explicit that Pissed off Latina girl was on the flight since she was having drinks in the airport bar with the doctor. Unless you’re suggesting that she took the Dharma shuttle. I assume this is from a flashback from 1st season? So what’s her story? Olympic Thai kick-boxing team? I skimmed the first three pages of this thread, was it already mentioned? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/231 "2005-10-07T19:20:43Z")
> [@The Chao Goes Mu](#): > > Have any of you mathmeticians out there found anything interesting with the numbers? 23 and 42 are both unique in the set when considering primes (and also the two most recognizable “spooky” numbers, if you are going by intertext and not math.) Anyway, “23” obviously stands out as the only prime in the set. “42” takes a bit more work to relate to primes. If you convert every number (from 1 on) to binary, and then count the number of “1’s”, and create a set of numbers that yield a prime number of “1’s”, you get this sequence: > [@](#): > > 1,2, **4,8,15,16,23** ,27,29,30… (Every one of Hurley’s numbers, in sequence, _except_ for 42, which is the odd one out, with a non-prime number of 1’s in binary notation. Maybe a (striking) coincidence, but it seems reasonable to think that the writers _might_ play with binary conversions, since they’ve already brought in the _I Ching_ (which is a sort of binary system) and have been playing with binary images (like Adam & Eve’s black & white stones.) These numbers are also the most intertextually significant: “23”, (popularized as a “spooky” number by William S. Burroughs after he noticed it connection with an air disaster and thereafter as a death number in general, the number of the _I Ching_ hexagram _Breaking Apart_, and familiar to Discordians everywhere) is the only prime in the set – – and “42,” of late associated with the solution to the question of Life, the Universe, and Everything, thanks to Douglas Adams, who was in turn referencing the obssessional number\* of mathematician and storyteller Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (aka “Lewis Carroll,”) is, in a tortured sense, the only _non_-prime. \*Apart from frequent incidental use of the number 42 in Carroll’s work, “Rule 42” is often problematic. In _The Hunting of the Snark_, Rule 42 of the Code, thoughtlessly amended by the Bellman, is: " “No one shall speak to the Man at the Helm… and the Man at the Helm shall speak to no one.” This prevents the helmsman from taking any corrective action when: > [@](#): > > Then the bowsprit got mixed with the rudder sometimes: > A thing, as the Bellman remarked, > That frequently happens in tropical climes, > When a vessel is, so to speak, “snarked.” In _Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland_, the King invokes Rule 42: “All persons more than a mile high to leave the court.” Rule 42, he claims, is the “oldest rule in the book.” ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/232 "2005-10-07T19:39:09Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > If you convert every number (from 1 on) to binary, and then count the number of “1’s”, and create a set of numbers that yield a prime number of “1’s”, you get this sequence: Either you’re a blinding genius or you have a grievously vast amount of free time. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/233 "2005-10-07T19:42:27Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > Here are some [screencaps](http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID77/289.shtml) for past and future eps. Can someone tell me who the person is in photo #32? Looks like that would be [this person](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0914475/), who (according to IMDB) is one of the additions to the cast this season. I expect we’ll probably meet her next week. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/234 "2005-10-07T19:50:28Z")
And speaking of IMDB… Sometimes these are not always accurate in advance, but sometimes they are. If anybody is interested, the guest listings indicate that… Rose’s husband Bernard will be appearing in the next two episodes… and will be played by Sam Anderson ---
**Author:** ![Airblairxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Airblairxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airblairxxx)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/235 "2005-10-07T19:55:58Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > a quick check of [Hanson’s URL](http://66.132.217.121/) on [SamSpade.org](http://www.samspade.org/t/whois?a=66.132.217.121;server=auto) yields “[BigSpaceship1.com](http://BigSpaceship1.com)” > > cue Twilight Zone theme… And if you go to [www.bigspaceship1.com](http://www.bigspaceship1.com), you get a mesmerizing picture (is it moving? Or is that an optical illusion?), but what I’m intrigued by is the title of the webpage. It looks to be in Morse Code, can anyone translate? … . .-… .–. / – . --…-- / — -… … -…- .-- .- -. / -.- . -. — -… … / -.-- — …- .----. .-. . / – -.-- / — -. .-… -.-- / … — .–. . **Update** : NEVER MIND. I pasted that into the Morse Code translator [here](http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.html) and it comes out to . . . “Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi you’re my only hope” There’s a reason sci-fi geeks get beat up a lot in high school. . . ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/236 "2005-10-07T20:31:30Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Either you’re a blinding genius or you have a grievously vast amount of free time. Door #3: I have AT&T’s [On-Line Encyclopaedia of Integer Sequences](http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/index.html) bookmarked. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/237 "2005-10-07T20:31:31Z")
> [@phungi](#): > > So, pushing the button is voluntary but the fear and anxiety related to the sounds of the timer are involuntary. Yes, you’re right. I hadn’t considered the anxiety as the goal response. Although it’s worth noting that right now, nothing is conditioned, voluntary or in - it’s only buzzed twice for John and once for Jack, Sayid, and Kate. Conditioning takes repitition, which hasn’t happened yet. Right now, we only have a group of people scaring each other with no real information. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/238 "2005-10-07T21:40:06Z")
> [@Fiver](#): > > Cite? I think I’d have heard about this from elsewhere if there were a Dharma logo in Mr. Paik’s office. The [South Korean flag](http://www.lib.noaa.gov/korea/bilateral/img_bilateral/koreaflag.gif) uses the same symbol. That’s probably what we saw. ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/239 "2005-10-07T22:16:35Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > If you convert every number (from 1 on) to binary, and then count the number of “1’s”, and create a set of numbers that yield a prime number of “1’s”, you get this sequence:(Every one of Hurley’s numbers, in sequence, _except_ for 42, which is the odd one out, with a non-prime number of 1’s in binary notation. Maybe a (striking) coincidence, but it seems reasonable to think that the writers _might_ play with binary conversions, since they’ve already brought in the _I Ching_ (which is a sort of binary system) and have been playing with binary images (like Adam & Eve’s black & white stones.) Speaking of odd numbers out, I saw this somewhere (maybe somewhere here but I can’t locate it now) Write the numbers in a repeating sequence like this… 4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42 4 8 15 16 23 42… Now, start counting numbers The eighth number you hit is 8 The fifteenth number you hit is 15 The sixteenth number you hit is 16 The twenty-third number you hit is 23 The forty-second number you hit is 42 The only number that doesn’t fit the pattern is 4. (Guess it should have been either 1 or 7.) Any ideas? (And, whoever discovered that, consider yourself credited…) ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2005, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/240 "2005-10-07T22:49:24Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > Here are some [screencaps](http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID77/289.shtml) for past and future eps. Can someone tell me who the person is in photo #32? The actress is Cynthia Watros, but we havn’t been introduced to her character yet. She was in the show Titus, and the last couple seasons of The Drew Carey Show. Now I got 5 Lost women to lust after. This may just be too much for my fragile libido to take. On a more straightforward note. i mentioned at the end of last season about the idea that time could flow differently at different parts of the island (I used the example of the show The Incredible Journey). Anyway, time shifting could explain a couple other things. This could explain jack seeing his father alive and Shannon seeing Walt and him talking backwards. Plus it would explain why Walt looks so much older. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852.md?page=13)