# Lost 2.3: "Orientation" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 5, 2005, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852 "2005-10-05T06:24:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![GSV\_Consolation\_of\_Dreams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f1d935/32.png) [@GSV\_Consolation\_of\_Dreams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GSV_Consolation_of_Dreams)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2005, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/261 "2005-10-10T12:21:50Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Maybe they’ve been typing the wrong numbers in all these years; the first number’s supposed to be a 1 or a 7, and rather than preventing something, maybe it happened years and years ago (such as, say, the island not showing up on radar, thus preventing the button-pushers from getting rescued). Perhaps the reason no-one came to replace Desmond’s predecessor (Kelvin) had something to do with Rousseau tampering with the numbers transmission. The cessation of the numbers transmission was taken by the Hanso Foundation as a signal that the numbers had not been entered, and everything went KABOOM (or whatever disaster is supposed to occur if the number aren’t entered.) Doesn’t explain why they didn’t investigate some French lady mucking about with their gear, but I could suspend my disbelief there. Desmond has apparently been there for 3 years, and the numbers transmision was interrupted by Rousseau about 16 years ago. So either Kelvin was there for at least 13 years, or he was himself another castaway like Desmond. Or my theory is crap. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2005, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/262 "2005-10-10T15:20:22Z")
> [@GSV Consolation of Dreams](#): > > Doesn’t explain why they didn’t investigate some French lady mucking about with their gear, but I could suspend my disbelief there. Well, that’s one of the big questions–if her broadcast is powerful enough to drown out their own, it should be powerful enough to have been picked up by now… ---
**Author:** ![Broken\_Wind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Broken\_Wind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broken_Wind)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2005, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/263 "2005-10-10T19:15:37Z")
> [@Airblairxxx](#): > > And if you go to [www.bigspaceship1.com](http://www.bigspaceship1.com), you get a mesmerizing picture (is it moving? Or is that an optical illusion?), but what I’m intrigued by is the title of the webpage. It looks to be in Morse Code, can anyone translate? > > … . .-… .–. / – . --…-- / — -… … -…- .-- .- -. / -.- . -. — -… … / -.-- — …- .----. .-. . / – -.-- / — -. .-… -.-- / … — .–. . > > **Update** : NEVER MIND. I pasted that into the Morse Code translator [here](http://morsecode.scphillips.com/jtranslator.html) and it comes out to . . . > > “Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi you’re my only hope” > There’s a reason sci-fi geeks get beat up a lot in high school. . . I tried this today with the current title .-… . - … -.-. .- - -.-. … … …- – .- -. … .- .-… .-… -… .- -.-- - … . -. - … .-. — .-- - … . – .- .-- .- -.– and now it says, “LETS CATCH HUMANS ALL DAY THEN THROW THEM AWAY” > [@Airblairxxx](#): > > There’s a reason sci-fi geeks get beat up a lot in high school. . . Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Broken\_Wind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Broken\_Wind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broken_Wind)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2005, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/264 "2005-10-10T19:23:37Z")
> [@Airblairxxx](#): > > And if you go to [www.bigspaceship1.com](http://www.bigspaceship1.com), you get a mesmerizing picture (is it moving? Or is that an optical illusion And if you Zoom way in on the picture, the rabbit’s fur appears to be a vast labyrinth. Also looks like there is some sort of signature/writing at the bottom of the neck but I can’t make it out. ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2005, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/265 "2005-10-10T20:17:33Z")
Are you sure that Locke didn’t hit spaces? I watched it again and I distinctly heard 3 taps for every 2 digit number. ---
**Author:** ![Velma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/85e7bf/32.png) [@Velma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velma)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2005, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/266 "2005-10-10T21:18:21Z")
The more that I think about it, the more I agree that Jin is in on it somehow. With which group, I am not sure. The “Others” who have Walt? It would explain how he got back to the island before Mike and Sawyer if that is true. If the other survivors believe he can’t speak English, it is a perfect cover for him to hear their conversations. Did he want to go along on the raft to make sure they were caught? Plus all of the Asian connections we have seen on the show makes me think it is not a coincidence. If it is true it is a huge twist. If this is the case, I think Sun is not aware of it. ---
**Author:** ![light\_strand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a6a055/32.png) [@light\_strand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/light_strand)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2005, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/267 "2005-10-10T21:33:46Z")
> [@Broken Wind](#): > > And if you Zoom way in on the picture, the rabbit’s fur appears to be a vast labyrinth. Also looks like there is some sort of signature/writing at the bottom of the neck but I can’t make it out. The red dot has this: 2FENO6 in it. Just thought I’d share. ---
**Author:** ![Ass\_For\_A\_Hat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ec9cab/32.png) [@Ass\_For\_A\_Hat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ass_For_A_Hat)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2005, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/268 "2005-10-10T21:52:45Z")
> [@Velma](#): > > The more that I think about it, the more I agree that Jin is in on it somehow. Interesting theory. Maybe the reason that he was so possessive about the watch last season, wasn’t a sense a duty. Maybe the watch is part of his mission. He gave it back to Michael before the raft trip, right? ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2005, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/269 "2005-10-10T21:59:22Z")
> [@Ass For A Hat](#): > > Interesting theory. Maybe the reason that he was so possessive about the watch last season, wasn’t a sense a duty. Maybe the watch is part of his mission. He gave it back to Michael before the raft trip, right? I’ve got it! The watch summons the Giant Robot and Jin and Dharma is the U.S. branch of Unicorn! Jin is in reality Johnny Socko! ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2005, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/270 "2005-10-10T22:57:39Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Agreed. It still seems to me that the most likely reason for the button pushing is to simply get the ‘subjects’ to think about a specific set of numbers constantly over a period of years, while in the influence of this brain-enhancing ray. It’s the only thing that makes sense, since it would be much easier and less error-prone to simply automate the process, or if you wanted a ‘dead man switch’ to simply make it a button. But no, the operator has to type the numbers by hand, thereby forcing him to think about them. But if you do something by rote are you REALLY thinking about it? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2005, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/271 "2005-10-10T23:28:57Z")
Now [http://www.bigspaceship1.com/](http://www.bigspaceship1.com/) is showing two polar bears, again with the 2FENO6. Polar bears…everywhere…mommy help me… ---
**Author:** ![Airblairxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Airblairxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airblairxxx)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2005, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/272 "2005-10-10T23:39:19Z")
> [@BayleDomon](#): > > Now [http://www.bigspaceship1.com/](http://www.bigspaceship1.com/) is showing two polar bears, again with the 2FENO6. > > Polar bears…everywhere…mommy help me… I don’t see the 2FENO6, but I do see the polar bears, which is not what I saw when I wrote post #235. Nor do I see any rabbits that **Broken Wind** referred to in #264. Hmm, this page is worthy of keeping an eye on. . . ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/273 "2005-10-11T00:27:18Z")
> [@Airblairxxx](#): > > I don’t see the 2FENO6, but I do see the polar bears, which is not what I saw when I wrote post #235. Nor do I see any rabbits that **Broken Wind** referred to in #264. > > Hmm, this page is worthy of keeping an eye on. . . There’s a red blip in one frame when the bears cross together. You can pause the Flash and zoom in, and the 2FENO6 is there. I wonder if it’s possible to get to the previous Flashes. The rabbit, which I saw earlier today, had audio over it that sounded sped up. I didn’t have a chance at the time to capture and slow it to hear what was being said. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/274 "2005-10-11T01:15:24Z")
> [@BayleDomon](#): > > I wonder if it’s possible to get to the previous Flashes. It cycles through different ones, every 108 minutes – so the polar bears should be gone in fifteen minutes or so. Looks like that aspect is done with a cron job that copies different files over a file named “lost.sfw,” so there’s no way to get to the other flash movies, since there’s no way to know where they are or what they’re called. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/275 "2005-10-11T03:43:14Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Well, that’s one of the big questions–if her broadcast is powerful enough to drown out their own, it should be powerful enough to have been picked up by now… Her broadcast isn’t drowning out the other one - she said she found the original broadcast equipment and changed the message. ---
**Author:** ![GSV\_Consolation\_of\_Dreams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f1d935/32.png) [@GSV\_Consolation\_of\_Dreams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GSV_Consolation_of_Dreams)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/276 "2005-10-11T06:52:53Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Her broadcast isn’t drowning out the other one - she said she found the original broadcast equipment and changed the message. Thanks, I was going to say that. Of course the problem remains…the transmission must have had an intended recipient, so unless Rousseau also changed the frequency and/or transmission strength, the Dharma people should have heard the new message and come to have a look-see. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/277 "2005-10-11T13:43:29Z")
> [@GSV Consolation of Dreams](#): > > Thanks, I was going to say that. Of course the problem remains…the transmission must have had an intended recipient, so unless Rousseau also changed the frequency and/or transmission strength, the Dharma people should have heard the new message and come to have a look-see. I keep having the feel that the program was the brainchild of one faction in the company, and then something happened to that faction: deaths, retirement, lost a power-struggle. Which backburnered the project. And then over time the rules on experimenting on humans became more stringent, and the project was not only a ‘waste of money’ but a potentially major embarassment to a company that had moved on to other enterprises. Or maybe not: if it was headed by a single charismatic individual, his death could have let to the company withering away in short order. Either way, if communication with the island group was lost – say, when CFL changed the frequency of the transmission – I can see a lot of ‘we should do something about that …some day’ waffling and buck passing until the whole thing was filed away in the archives and simply forgotten. Is there any evidence in the underground complex that they must have gotten deliveries later than the date of CFL’s actions? ---
**Author:** ![MrsMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e8cbc/32.png) [@MrsMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrsMonkey)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/278 "2005-10-11T13:50:35Z")
Spoiler: E’s Kristin posted a link to this composite image[here](http://humpys.net/images/thedegroots.jpg) . Looks like the DR’s from the video could be “the others”. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/279 "2005-10-11T14:02:25Z")
> [@BayleDomon](#): > > There’s a red blip in one frame when the bears cross together. You can pause the Flash and zoom in, and the 2FENO6 is there. [computer dummy hijack] how do you pause the Flash? [/cdh] ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/280 "2005-10-11T14:40:18Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > [computer dummy hijack] how do you pause the Flash? [/cdh] You should be able to right-click and uncheck Play. You don’t have to get it exactly when the dot pops up; you can go forward and back a frame at a time too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852.md?page=15)