# Lost 2.3: "Orientation" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 5, 2005, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852 "2005-10-05T06:24:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/281 "2005-10-11T15:44:57Z")
Warning: The 2nd link below contains screen caps from Episode 4. Don’t click if you don’t want to see. This [image](http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=19&pos=529) of the plane appears to have the Dharma logo on it. It may be a little clearer on [this](http://thetailsection.com/) site. Scroll down to the picture of Walt and the plane. Do you think it’s real? Or has someone photoshopped it? ---
**Author:** ![Broken\_Wind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Broken\_Wind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broken_Wind)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/282 "2005-10-11T15:52:27Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > Warning: The 2nd link below contains screen caps from Episode 4. Don’t click if you don’t want to see. > > This [image](http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=19&pos=529) of the plane appears to have the Dharma logo on it. It may be a little clearer on [this](http://thetailsection.com/) site. Scroll down to the picture of Walt and the plane. > > Do you think it’s real? Or has someone photoshopped it? My first inclination is that it’s a crank, but I’ve got the Season 1 DVDs at home and will be sure to take a second (okay, twelfth) gander at ‘Tabula Rasa’ tonite. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/283 "2005-10-11T15:57:52Z")
> [@Broken Wind](#): > > My first inclination is that it’s a crank, but I’ve got the Season 1 DVDs at home and will be sure to take a second (okay, twelfth) gander at ‘Tabula Rasa’ tonite. That would be great **Broken Wind**. I don’t have Season 1 on DVD. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/284 "2005-10-11T16:53:58Z")
Finally watched the tape of last week’s episode (I’ve been busy). What happened to Kelvin’s body? Did Desmond go outside to bury him or is his corpse stuffed inside a back room in the bunker? Has anyone posted what the I Ching signs mean? I’m guessing Jin speaks English in someone’s dream. If there was a real revelation that he was a fake, they wouldn’t reveal it in the previews. And finally my Helen theory: [spoiler]Helen’s a plant. Locke’s father was saying how he was getting annoyed by Locke hanging out around his house. And he admits he is a con man. Then Locke meets this woman who basically throws herself at him. She becomes close to him and then insists he stop going to his father’s house. Locke’s father hired her just like he hired Locke’s mother. In a later episode, Locke will find this out. It will destroy his faith again. He will do something that will paralyze him. The whole point of the island is to restore Locke’s ability to have faith.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/285 "2005-10-11T17:00:39Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > What happened to Kelvin’s body? Is it Kelvin or Calvin? I thought they said Calvin, which would fit in with the whole “naming characters after philosophers” motif. ---
**Author:** ![flex727](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/258eb7/32.png) [@flex727](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flex727)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/286 "2005-10-11T18:17:53Z")
> [@cbawlmer](#): > > Is it Kelvin or Calvin? I thought they said Calvin, which would fit in with the whole “naming characters after philosophers” motif. Did anyone else notice the stuffed tiger on that second bunk? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/287 "2005-10-11T18:42:28Z")
Sorry if this has been brought up already, but in perusing the last few pages of this thread, I notice the one number that doesn’t fit in with many of the “figure out the numbers” theories is 42 - which is also the answer to the unltimate question of Life, the Universe and Everything, according to Deep Thought (HHGTTU). Hard to imagine that’s a coincidence… ---
**Author:** ![Antigen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Antigen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antigen)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/288 "2005-10-11T19:35:43Z")
My friends were discussing Lost today, and one brought up a good point (I hope I didn’t miss this same thought in the 280 or so posts I just read thorugh…): Desmond didn’t even know about our Castaways until someone came down the hatch. You’d think that Locke’s failed attempt at a trebuchet-driven window-smash would have made enough noise for him to notice, but whatever… But, if he’s that clueless about their presence, the “Island Security System” can’t really be associated with Desmond or the hatch, because the Losties kept triggering it. He should have known about them, if his computers had anything to do with the “monster”. So, then, we have to assume that he has no way of knowing what’s going on outside that hatch unless he ventures out for a smoke break during his 108 minutes away from the button, which he seemingly never does, considering his “I don’t get out much” statement. Besides, it’s dangerous. If anything happens to him outside in the jungle, the button is unmanned and there will be a Kaboom of some sort. Now, did his predecessor have the same problem? Completely cut off from the world? I would think so, if he trained Desmond on how to do the job. So… why was he outside and able to bump into Desmond and drag him back to the hatch as a replacement? He must have known there was someone out there. Otherwise why would he have taken the risk and been outside? ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/289 "2005-10-11T19:48:08Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > And finally my Helen theory: > > [spoiler]Helen’s a plant. > > Locke’s father was saying how he was getting annoyed by Locke hanging out around his house. And he admits he is a con man. > > Then Locke meets this woman who basically throws herself at him. She becomes close to him and then insists he stop going to his father’s house. Locke’s father hired her just like he hired Locke’s mother. > > In a later episode, Locke will find this out. It will destroy his faith again. He will do something that will paralyze him. The whole point of the island is to restore Locke’s ability to have faith.[/spoiler] That was my thought about Helen actually. Seems a little too convenient doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![thwartme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@thwartme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thwartme)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2005, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/290 "2005-10-11T20:25:20Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > No, wait, if that’s the book I’m thinking of, it IS significant to this episode :eek: ! > > :off to study this with waaay too much intensity: Sorry to resurrect this old (three pages ago!) idea, but a friend of mine just said that she heard we should read the first word on pages 4,8,15…etc. If anyone’s got a copy, they might want to try this. And maybe some kind sole could spoiler box the results for those of us without immediate access to vast and esoteric libraries. Thanks! thwartme ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/291 "2005-10-12T00:29:58Z")
> [@cbawlmer](#): > > Is it Kelvin or Calvin? I thought they said Calvin, which would fit in with the whole “naming characters after philosophers” motif. It sure sounded like Kelvin to me. Isn’t a Kelvin some sort of heat unit measurement…? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/292 "2005-10-12T00:31:36Z")
And if it turns out to be Calvin, I fully expect Hobbes to show up. ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/293 "2005-10-12T01:50:06Z")
The latest TVGuide confirms what Walt was saying. ([Scans here](http://www.livejournal.com/community/lost_daily/109566.html?#cutid1) warning there ARE some spoilers for the next couple of episodes, I only glanced over them myself and haven’t read those spoilers) “Push the button. Don’t push the button. Bad.” ---
**Author:** ![flex727](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/258eb7/32.png) [@flex727](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flex727)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/294 "2005-10-12T01:57:22Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > Warning: The 2nd link below contains screen caps from Episode 4. Don’t click if you don’t want to see. > > This [image](http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=19&pos=529) of the plane appears to have the Dharma logo on it. It may be a little clearer on [this](http://thetailsection.com/) site. Scroll down to the picture of Walt and the plane. > > Do you think it’s real? Or has someone photoshopped it? Just re-watched Tabula Rasa (actually Ep.3) and the Dharma logo is definitely there. Also, Mrs.Flex noticed in the same scene that Charlie is writing “LATE” on the tape wrapped around his fingers. It colloguially means “dead” and is widely used in Britain, more so than in the states (we just use it in the context of "the late Mr. so-and-so). We also noticed the rain stopped suddenly when Michael told Walt he would look for Vincent when the rain stopped. Don’t remember if we noticed that the first time around. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/295 "2005-10-12T02:01:36Z")
> [@flex727](#): > > Just re-watched Tabula Rasa (actually Ep.3) and the Dharma logo is definitely there. Wow!! Do you know which scene, so others can find it quickly on the DVD. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/296 "2005-10-12T02:02:13Z")
Huh. I thought Charlie was writing “HATE”… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/297 "2005-10-12T02:28:29Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Wow!! Do you know which scene, so others can find it quickly on the DVD. Found it. It’s almost at the very end of the episode, when Walt is walking away for the plane, you see it just to his right. You only see the top half, and it’s about as big as Walt is. Has anyone pointed out yet that in the Orientation film you can see the Oceanic flight logo? It’s all connected. But how…? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/298 "2005-10-12T02:30:49Z")
It sure is starting to look like Walt is the key. As if he’s got the secret to control the island, and that’s why The Others want him He can stop the rain, he knows not toopen the hatch, and not to push the button. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/299 "2005-10-12T02:34:17Z")
> [@Flutterby](#): > > “Push the button. Don’t push the button. Bad.” Push _which_ button? Don’t push which _other_ button? _What’s_ bad? Typical adolescent, that Walt is, talking in backwards riddles nobody understands … ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/300 "2005-10-12T03:06:47Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > Push _which_ button? Don’t push which _other_ button? _What’s_ bad? Typical adolescent, that Walt is, talking in backwards riddles nobody understands … Pre-adolescent. The kid’s only 10! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852.md?page=16)