# Lost 2.3: "Orientation" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 5, 2005, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852 "2005-10-05T06:24:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/301 "2005-10-12T03:16:20Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > Push _which_ button? Don’t push which _other_ button? _What’s_ bad? Typical adolescent, that Walt is, talking in backwards riddles nobody understands … I’m guessing they mean _keep_ pushing the execute button, not pushing the execute button is bad. I was just passing on the TVGuide writing of the line which is really awkward. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/302 "2005-10-12T03:18:04Z")
Anybody store the orientation film somewhere? I can’t get it to load from [www.thehansofoundation.org](http://www.thehansofoundation.org) site. Probably excessive traffic… ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/303 "2005-10-12T03:27:07Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Has anyone pointed out yet that in the Orientation film you can see the Oceanic flight logo? It’s all connected. But how…? I watched the film again but wasn’t sure if I saw it. In the DeGroots’ office? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/304 "2005-10-12T04:37:49Z")
> [@](#): > > It sure sounded like Kelvin to me. Isn’t a Kelvin some sort of heat unit measurement…? It might be a reference to [Lord Kelvin](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Thomson%2C_1st_Baron_Kelvin). ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/305 "2005-10-12T12:47:49Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > Push _which_ button? Don’t push which _other_ button? _What’s_ bad? Typical adolescent, that Walt is, talking in backwards riddles nobody understands … I take that to mean push the button=good. Don’t push the button=bad. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/306 "2005-10-12T12:53:16Z")
I rewatched the orientation video last night. Is it just me or does Marvin Candle’s left hand look fake. Could he have lost an arm? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/307 "2005-10-12T13:11:46Z")
> [@flex727](#): > > Just re-watched Tabula Rasa (actually Ep.3) and the Dharma logo is definitely there. Well that might be a good sign as to support the idea that they’re not just making it up as they go along… of course, they could’ve done the effect when making the DVDs… ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/308 "2005-10-12T14:48:33Z")
Sayid and Shannon have needs which will be met. There will be nakedness for me. ---
**Author:** ![Plynck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Plynck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plynck)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/309 "2005-10-12T15:17:37Z")
> [@thwartme](#): > > Sorry to resurrect this old (three pages ago!) idea, but a friend of mine just said that she heard we should read the first word on pages 4,8,15…etc. > > If anyone’s got a copy, they might want to try this. > > And maybe some kind sole could spoiler box the results for those of us without immediate access to vast and esoteric libraries. > > Thanks! > thwartme No spoiler box required. I feel a bit responsible for this, having posted the link at the beginning of this thread that referenced _The Third Policeman._ I can’t say whether the book reference was a red herring or not; I am still inclined to think not. But, the edition that I just received from Amazon doesn’t have a page 4 (pagination starts with Roman numerals for the introduction, Page 7 for the book), so that hint might be a prank. ---
**Author:** ![Broken\_Wind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Broken\_Wind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broken_Wind)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/310 "2005-10-12T15:58:30Z")
> [@Plynck](#): > > No spoiler box required. I feel a bit responsible for this, having posted the link at the beginning of this thread that referenced _The Third Policeman._ I can’t say whether the book reference was a red herring or not; I am still inclined to think not. But, the edition that I just received from Amazon doesn’t have a page 4 (pagination starts with Roman numerals for the introduction, Page 7 for the book), so that hint might be a prank. From this morning’s paper: **No. 42 - [Amazon.com](http://Amazon.com)** ranking for the novel “The Third Policeman,” after a “Lost” character was shown with a copy on the Oct. 5 episode, according to TV Guide. It had previously languished in the 200,000s. I have not read the book myself, but the [synopsis from The Literary Encyclopedia](http://www.litencyc.com/php/sworks.php?rec=true&UID=7924) seems to have a lot of similarities to the goings on of LOST. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/311 "2005-10-12T16:05:47Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > I rewatched the orientation video last night. Is it just me or does Marvin Candle’s left hand look fake. Could he have lost an arm? Mildish spoiler: In E!'s Chat With Kristin, here was a Q/A: _“From loha26: Jin speaks English? A:How effing ridiculous was that? I immediately emailed Damon Lindelof who replied: “And check out Marvin Candle’s left hand. Weird, huh?” I am so Lost.”_ I don’t get the impression the two were related, but the hand was definitely something we were supposed to notice. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/312 "2005-10-12T16:05:54Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Well that might be a good sign as to support the idea that they’re not just making it up as they go along… of course, they could’ve done the effect when making the DVDs… It’s there in a pre-DVD recorded copy of it, too. (I looked back at that episode to see for myself). ---
**Author:** ![Iorek\_Byrnison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Iorek\_Byrnison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iorek_Byrnison)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/313 "2005-10-12T16:46:26Z")
> [@Oslo Ostragoth](#): > > Anybody store the orientation film somewhere? I can’t get it to load from [www.thehansofoundation.org](http://www.thehansofoundation.org) site. Probably excessive traffic… I’ve been trying ever since **Honey** posted this: > [@Honey](#): > > I rewatched the orientation video last night. Is it just me or does Marvin Candle’s left hand look fake. Could he have lost an arm? I can’t get into the Orientation film anymore either. Been looking around online for screencaps. Anybody know where a good one of Marvin Candle might be found? (By the way, I’ve been reading the Lost threads since 1.1… Finally looked like too much fun to not participate. Hi, everyone.) -IB ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/314 "2005-10-12T16:57:38Z")
> [@Iorek Byrnison](#): > > (By the way, I’ve been reading the Lost threads since 1.1… Finally looked like too much fun to not participate. Hi, everyone.) … did you become a paid member just so you could continue reading & posting in the _Lost_ threads??? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/315 "2005-10-12T16:59:08Z")
> [@Broken Wind](#): > > I have not read the book myself, but the [synopsis from The Literary Encyclopedia](http://www.litencyc.com/php/sworks.php?rec=true&UID=7924) seems to have a lot of similarities to the goings on of LOST. The synopsis doesn’t sound much at all like “Lost” to me. Maybe I missed something… **BayleDomon** : I didn’t see it myself, but one of my “Lost” group told me last night he saw it. I trust him-- we do not bullshit about lost!!! ---
**Author:** ![Iorek\_Byrnison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Iorek\_Byrnison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iorek_Byrnison)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/316 "2005-10-12T17:28:27Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > … did you become a paid member just so you could continue reading & posting in the _Lost_ threads??? Haha, no, I’ve been lurking around for a while, but I’m always sure to stop in on Thursday morning to see what the Dopers thought of the episode. Figured I might want to make a little better use of my paid subscription. Okay, let me actually contribute something with this post too… Seems like [bigspaceship1](http://www.bigspaceship1.com) has stopped changing. It’s been the mouse and cheese all day long. The morse code up top translates as “A long time ago on an island far et” (did I put the end of it incorrectly into the translator?) Is it just me, or does anyone else get the idea that the folks at Lost are having fun with us with that site, and it doesn’t relate at all to the show? -IB ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/317 "2005-10-12T17:32:01Z")
> [@Iorek Byrnison](#): > > I’ve been trying ever since **Honey** posted this: > > I can’t get into the Orientation film anymore either. > > Been looking around online for screencaps. Anybody know where a good one of Marvin Candle might be found? > (By the way, I’ve been reading the Lost threads since 1.1… Finally looked like too much fun to not participate. Hi, everyone.) > -IB I found [this](http://www.lost-theseries.com/screencaps.php?view=cap&ep=39&id=NONAME_007_000_087.jpg) one. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/318 "2005-10-12T17:39:19Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > It’s there in a pre-DVD recorded copy of it, too. (I looked back at that episode to see for myself). Now that impresses me. Chris Carter should take notes. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/319 "2005-10-12T17:42:42Z")
> [@Broken Wind](#): > > I have not read the book myself, but the [synopsis from The Literary Encyclopedia](http://www.litencyc.com/php/sworks.php?rec=true&UID=7924) seems to have a lot of similarities to the goings on of LOST. I’ve got to get a copy of this now: Robert Anton Wilson included a “sub-plot” (sort of, since it took place entirely in lengthy and progressively surreal footnotes, which I assume imitate O’Brian’s style in the same way that sections of _Illuminatus_ imitated Joyce) about De Selby and his work in one of his _Historical Illuminatus_ novels. Had him discovering an extra level of semiosis that allowed him to discorporate and move his conciousness into the body of common literature, becoming omnipresent throughout all human history. I had always thought that Wilson created De Selby out of whole cloth. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2005, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/320 "2005-10-12T17:51:14Z")
> [@Iorek Byrnison](#): > > Is it just me, or does anyone else get the idea that the folks at Lost are having fun with us with that site, and it doesn’t relate at all to the show? I think it’s just a fan site. It’s registered to Matthew Bardram, a font designer, and shares server space with [Atomic Media Fonts](http://www.atomicmedia.net/). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852.md?page=17)