# Lost 2.3: "Orientation" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 5, 2005, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852 "2005-10-05T06:24:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Improv\_Geek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/41 "2005-10-06T01:47:53Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > I think those folks are probably the tail section survivors and will turn out to be okay – but are overzealous now because they’ve been attacked by the “Others” themselves. So they don’t trust anybody. I don’t think they are actually the Others. I bow to your wisdom… ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/42 "2005-10-06T01:51:45Z")
So this can’t be the same Helen from “Walkabout”…? In that phone conversation, the woman talked about having to charge him for another hour… and about enjoying talking to him for these past few months, but she’s not allowed to meet customers. So I wonder if John started calling a sex line and **asked** specifically for a woman named Helen (because of this one, which I assume he will be losing…)? ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/43 "2005-10-06T02:01:34Z")
Argggghhhhh… He should have just let it count down and find out what would happen. Now John and Jack have to be the hatch people? ack! ---
**Author:** ![jmizzou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/edb3f5/32.png) [@jmizzou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jmizzou)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/44 "2005-10-06T02:01:45Z")
That better be some Hunt-for-the-Red-October-style dubbing, or my head’s just going to explode. ---
**Author:** ![Alias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/45 "2005-10-06T02:06:54Z")
> [@jmizzou](#): > > That better be some Hunt-for-the-Red-October-style dubbing, or my head’s just going to explode. What? ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/46 "2005-10-06T02:08:23Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Heh – Locke: “We’re gonna need to watch that again.” > > What we always say after a “Lost” episode? 😉 How long until the entire flim transcript is online? I’m esp curious about the names and such. Some real answers. It is one of sevar labs. Partly to study electromagnetic anomolies. Some sort of incident makes them have to enter the code every 108 minutes. Though ans Apple II(e) doesn’t have an execute key, the case / disk drives / daughtercard setup is definitely AppleIIesque. Brian ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/47 "2005-10-06T02:13:51Z")
> [@jmizzou](#): > > That better be some Hunt-for-the-Red-October-style dubbing, or my head’s just going to explode. Maybe the tail section includes an ESL teacher… ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/48 "2005-10-06T02:14:32Z")
> [@Alias](#): > > What? Jin’s instant ESL skills, perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Antigen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Antigen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antigen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/49 "2005-10-06T02:14:50Z")
Let’s overanalyze the Orientation video, shall we? It was part 3 of 6, and there are other installations/labs elsewhere. Where? What do they do? Swan… why? The video confirms it’s an island, at least. Definite geomagnetic screwiness going on there, too. Any significance (or imagined significance) to the names of the people in the video? And all the sciences… do they all apply to the phenomena on the island? I trust we all noticed the polar bears, but what was the very last bit they said about the research? Something about group interactions? Don’t try to use the computer to… to what? Surf for porn? Set it up to work automatically? Honestly, I agree that it’s a psych experiment gone a little too far. A big ol’ [Skinner Box](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinner_box), if you will. And now Locke has suckered Jack into playing along, wheras if he’d just waited those 2 more seconds… well, I guess the show would be boring that way, wouldn’t it. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/50 "2005-10-06T02:15:37Z")
Never mind… ---
**Author:** ![Grendel\_s\_Father](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grendel\_s\_Father](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grendel_s_Father)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/51 "2005-10-06T02:18:31Z")
Somebody in a previous Lost post brought up a connection with the story of Apollo. So the fact that Station 3 is known as the “Swan” jumped right out and slapped me in the face… [http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/apollo.html](http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/apollo.html) ---
**Author:** ![jmizzou](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/edb3f5/32.png) [@jmizzou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jmizzou)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/52 "2005-10-06T02:18:47Z")
> [@Alias](#): > > What? At the very end of the previews for next week’s episode, Jin says, “Everything’s going to change.” In English. ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/53 "2005-10-06T02:20:33Z")
I missed the preview for next week! What’d I miss? ---
**Author:** ![TLDRIDKJKLOLFTW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/51bf81/32.png) [@TLDRIDKJKLOLFTW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TLDRIDKJKLOLFTW)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/54 "2005-10-06T02:22:25Z")
Is there any signifcance behind the film being behind Henry James’ _The turn of the screw_ on the bookshelf? ---
**Author:** ![bradministrator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a698b9/32.png) [@bradministrator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bradministrator)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/55 "2005-10-06T02:26:53Z")
All I know is that I speed-read through Flann O’Brien’s “The Third Policeman” the past few days after it was revealed it would be a major focus of this episode, and then you see it for one second in Desmond’s backpack… ☹ I got punk’d. ---
**Author:** ![Farmwoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Farmwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmwoman)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/56 "2005-10-06T02:27:52Z")
I thought the same thing…'cept I didn’t bother to read it 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Grendel\_s\_Father](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grendel\_s\_Father](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grendel_s_Father)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/57 "2005-10-06T02:29:12Z")
> [@VCO3](#): > > Is there any signifcance behind the film being behind Henry James’ _The turn of the screw_ on the bookshelf? From [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Turn\_of\_the\_Screw](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Turn_of_the_Screw) > [@](#): > > Due to its style, The Turn of the Screw became a favorite text of New Criticism. The reader is challenged to determine if the protagonist, a nameless governess, is reliably reporting events or instead is some kind of neurotic with an overheated imagination. To further muddy the waters, her written account of the experience – a frame tale – is being read many years later at a Christmas house party by someone who claims to have known her. > > The account lends itself to many different interpretations, including those by Freudian psychologists and those trying to determine who or what exactly is the nature of evil within the story. In her 1976 dissertation The Concept of Ambiguity: The Example of James, Shlomith Rimmon analyzes aspects of verbal and narrative ambiguity in this and other texts by Henry James. Sounds appropriate to me. ---
**Author:** ![Farmwoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8dc957/32.png) [@Farmwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmwoman)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/58 "2005-10-06T02:31:03Z")
I think the folks with Analucia are the tail section and, without the benefit of a doctor and 40 odd other people to help them stay focused, they’ve gone a bit native and wiiiiiild. After a few bouts with the Others (and we all know how tricksy they can be) they’re not likely to trust that these guys are other survivors. Shame Jack wasn’t on the raft. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/59 "2005-10-06T02:31:26Z")
All I can say is…freaky. Man…that film was just strange. Sorry, not following the thread as the show is still on in my time zone and I don’t want to accidentally see any spoilers. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Silver\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Fire)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/60 "2005-10-06T02:31:39Z")
Locke’s dad is a rotten, evil bastard. The whole “No, **you** push it!” scene might have been the most suspenseful moments I’ve ever seen on TV. I love this show. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852.md?page=4)