# Lost 2.3: "Orientation" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 5, 2005, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852 "2005-10-05T06:24:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/81 "2005-10-06T06:13:12Z")
No one mentioned that 540 = 108 x 5. 540 is the number of days the video says they will be doing the experiment. The film mentions BF Skinner, the father of Behaviorism-- the branch of psychology that holds that all behavior is conditioned behavior. Hence the experiment. IIRC, Locke asked his 900-number chick to use the name Helen. But I expected that we’d find out how he got paralized. I knew Analucia was a plant as soon as they threw her in. How could it be that they found her exactly at the same time they found the raft survivors…? Didn’t make sense. The Big Black Dude (Adebizi from OZ) might be one of the Nigerian drug smugglers, no? **XT** is correct in his :rolleyes: about a computer shorting out the whole electical system. And it wasn’t a breaker that blew, but a big friggin’ switch. As for Jin speaking English-- I’m doubtful. Something about that clip seemed like it might be a dream or a halucination that one of the other folks has. It just didn’t sound right. Of coures, now that Locke and Jack know the secret exit, maybe they can rotate with the rest of the castaways to keep the numbers system going w/o inhabitting the hatch. Great episode, but as usual we get more questions than answers. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/82 "2005-10-06T06:14:59Z")
I had a (fortunately) brief Bundy flashback. Actually, Katey Sagal was good here; I didn’t recognize her at first. “You’re not wanted” is a hell of a thing to say. Good reaction from O’Quinn in that scene. For a while, I kept wanting Jack to tell everyone in the station to go to hell and forget the damn button. But at the last minute, I yelled out, “Push it, Jack! Push it! Hurry!” “Oh, crap.” \<—best line, uttered, of course, by Hurley. On this show, whenever someone (especially Kate) comes running towards you from the jungle, you know it’s not a good thing. Where has Desmond gone off to? Where oh where is Walt? If these Others are from the tail section of the plane, then who are Danielle’s Others? The Other Others? Does the Black Rock still matter? Jin is going to say something in English?! “Shaft”…Only Sawyer could get away with this. I love his nicknames for everyone. He probably could have gotten away with “Shaka Zulu” if he wanted to. Was it made clear how many years Desmond had been in the station? What’s with all the recurring polar bears? There was some distorted audio in that cheesy little film and it’s going to bug me. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Silver\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Fire)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/83 "2005-10-06T06:20:55Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Actually, Katey Sagal was good here; I didn’t recognize her at first. I had a brief argument with my house mate about that; he thought she was Jackie, Rosanne’s sister. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Silver\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Fire)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/84 "2005-10-06T06:23:31Z")
> [@Silver Fire](#): > > I had a brief argument with my house mate about that; he thought she was Jackie, Rosanne’s sister. :smack: A) Roseanne B) [Link](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0582418/) ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/85 "2005-10-06T06:25:47Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > If these Others are from the tail section of the plane, then who are Danielle’s Others? The Other Others? I’m still positive that [Danielle] Rousseau’s “others” are the same as [Jean Jacques] Rousseau’s “others.” Paranoid, chimerical voices in the head. They don’t exist – they’re symptoms. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Macphisto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b487fb/32.png) [@Ms\_Macphisto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms_Macphisto)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/86 "2005-10-06T06:42:06Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Was it made clear how many years Desmond had been in the station? I’m pretty sure that he said he’d been there for 3 years. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/87 "2005-10-06T07:14:22Z")
And where the hell is the secret entrance into Desmond’s hatch-lab? I want to know where the other entrance is! Dammit. ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/88 "2005-10-06T07:16:45Z")
Wow, I’m still trying to absorb all this. But of interest I will be keeping my eye on [Dharma Industries](http://dharmaindustries.com/) and [The Hanso Foundation](http://www.thehansofoundation.org/) > [@jmizzou](#): > > Is this the same Helen we learned about in Locke’s last flashback? No, I’m thinking that Helen either left him or died in the accident that paralyzed him. I really wonder what happened to Sarah now. What could have happened to make Jack look like that? ---
**Author:** ![CatsCradle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cab0a1/32.png) [@CatsCradle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatsCradle)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/89 "2005-10-06T07:34:56Z")
So, did anyone else find it funny that when Leela (Katie Segal) first talked to Locke, Jack _Bender_’s name (the director/one of the producers) was on-screen for a couple of seconds? Anyone? Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/90 "2005-10-06T07:41:57Z")
> [@Flutterby](#): > > I will be keeping my eye on […] [The Hanso Foundation](http://www.thehansofoundation.org/) Heh. “ **J** uxtapositional **E** ugenics **D** evelopment **I** nstitute.” _That’s_ why Walt is such a hot property – his midichlorian count is off the charts! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/91 "2005-10-06T10:47:36Z")
> [@CatsCradle](#): > > So, did anyone else find it funny that when Leela (Katie Segal) first talked to Locke, Jack _Bender_’s name (the director/one of the producers) was on-screen for a couple of seconds? Anyone? Ha! I noticed that. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Venom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9fc348/32.png) [@Lady\_Venom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lady_Venom)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/92 "2005-10-06T11:05:10Z")
My husband blurted out his theory about why no one has come to replace Desmond, or, the person who Desmond took over for without the powers that be knowing that the other guy died (if he did indeed die). I’ll spoiler it, because it is a theory. If the current button pusher lets the time run out, then a replacement is sent to find out why. Otherwise, part of the experiment is to find out how long he/she will sit there and push a button ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/93 "2005-10-06T11:51:12Z")
I would not have pressed the “Execute” button. Screw that. _Posted by Xtisme:_ > [@](#): > > Still don’t know how to do a spoiler box so…don’t read beyond this point. We gotta take care of that. It’s simply this, but with square brackets instead of parentheses: (spoiler)Kate and Sun get very, very friendly during sweeps week.(/spoiler) There ya go. After the episode, I rewatched the Season 1 episode that first gave us backstory on Locke. When that came on last year, it seemed really sad that Locke’s closest relationship was apparently with a woman on a phone sex line; now that it looks like he was using her as a substitute for the real girlfriend he lost (including her name!) it seems twice as sad. Didn’t recognize Katey Sagal at first. After seeing her dolled up all those years on “Married With Children”, then not seeing her for quite a while (despite the voice work on “Futurama”), it’s easy to forget that she’s a striking middle-aged woman. Locke’s father: he’s wealthy, but do we know what his actual business is or was? He seems to be a sociopath, which would make him good material for CEO of a large corporation. I’m sure Hurley has been jonesing for something besides boar meat, fish, and whatever fruits and roots they’ve been able to find (I’d like to see more about how they’ve been feeding themselves, really). I don’t usually get interested in the actors on a show, but it struck me when I heard that Jorge Garcia, who plays Hurley, said he didn’t intend to lose weight, so they’d better come up with food in the plot. It’s his business, of course, but given the life-threatening level of obesity there, I’m surprised he wouldn’t take advantage of the resources now available to him – personal chef, personal physical trainer, the best medical care – to try and get healthier. I just hope he doesn’t die young, like so many hugely fat people. (One reason I’m trying so hard to lose weight is that it occurred to me you don’t see a lot of big fat guys in their 80s.) Still a lot of unanswered questions about the station, such as what its power source is. As for the vintage desktop computer, it seemed to have quite a few cords coming out of it; I’d want to trace all those and see what kind of equipment they go to. If the station really is just a self-contained unit for a) investigating electromagnetic anomolies or b) psychological experimentation, then the Tree-Crashing Monster/security system is still a mystery. Judging from the previews, it looks like our core group of characters is going to try and keep the station a secret from the rest. I don’t see how they could keep that up for long; everybody knows there’s a hatch now, even if they don’t know what’s under it. Also, Hurley can’t keep a secret. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/94 "2005-10-06T11:54:56Z")
Sorry; that should be _electromagnetic anomalies_. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/95 "2005-10-06T11:58:01Z")
> [@Antigen](#): > > I trust we all noticed the polar bears, but what was the very last bit they said about the research? Something about group interactions? NO! The damn dog distracted me - I missed the polar bears! Where were they? I plan on rewatching this one, because I want to see the film again, but where were the polar bears? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/96 "2005-10-06T12:08:45Z")
> [@BiblioCat](#): > > NO! The damn dog distracted me - I missed the polar bears! > Where were they? I plan on rewatching this one, because I want to see the film again, but where were the polar bears? As the film was listing the purposes of the various research facilities, they said “zoology” and the image was of two polar bears fighting. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/97 "2005-10-06T12:21:03Z")
Don’t you think it would have been a leap of faith if Jack _hadn’t_ pushed the button? I was with Jack on this. I think this is an elaborate scientific experiement, a la _The Cube_. At least we know the powerful electromagnetic forces is probably what pulled the plane off course. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/98 "2005-10-06T12:22:36Z")
Is Helen the same Helen John was talking to on the phone at the very beginning of the series? The phone sex lady? My son seemed to think so, that the name was the same. ---
**Author:** ![marymargaret](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@marymargaret](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marymargaret)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/99 "2005-10-06T12:23:54Z")
> [@VCO3](#): > > Is there any signifcance behind the film being behind Henry James’ _The turn of the screw_ on the bookshelf? I wondered the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2005, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852/100 "2005-10-06T12:38:31Z")
> [@](#): > > Is Helen the same Helen John was talking to on the phone at the very beginning of the series? The phone sex lady? My son seemed to think so, that the name was the same. Name’s the same, but I don’t see how it could possibly be the same woman. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-3-orientation/324852.md?page=6)