# Lost 2.4: "Everybody Hates Hugo" (OPEN SPOILERS)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [October 12, 2005, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863 "2005-10-12T06:20:04Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/181 "2005-10-13T20:22:53Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#):
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> I was wondering the same thing about the food, but if they’re getting resupplied, you’d think it would be with new food, not Apollo bars, which were phased out years ago.
It appears that in the _Lost_ universe, Apollo bars are a major player.
Remember in the first episode, [when Boone offers Shannon a candy bar](http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/8862/apolloboone1pu.jpg), which she refuses because she wants to wait to eat on the rescue boat?
There’s very little detail of the bar shown, but here’s an enlargement with the brightness and contrast adjusted, [compared with a detail shot of the wrapper](http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4663/apollo5rk.jpg). Looks like the same brand to me.
I don’t think there has ever been a real Apollo chocolate bar. There’s a Japanese company that makes Apollo chocolates, but they’re bite-sized bits and come in a tube or a box. I’m pretty sure that “Apollo” is to chocolate bars as “Oceanic” is to airlines.
> [@Smeghead](#):
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> A friend of mind just told me about an article that was recently in TV Guide about Lost. Among other things, it says that they never tell us when the “flashbacks” occur because at least some of them could actually be taking place in the future, after they get off the island. They mention Sawyer’s reading A Wrinkle In Time in connection with this.
I wouldn’t spend a lot of time thinking about that possibility – I think it’s just misguided speculation on the part of the TV Guide writer, based exclusively on Sawyer reading _A Wrinkle in Time_. The producers don’t say anything that corroborates it, and in fact are quoted in such a way that categorically rules out any possibility that any of the flashbacks are post-crash:
> [@](#):
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> **Exactly how long ago did an unfortunately coiffed Jack meet Desmond running in the stadium?**
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> Producers are loath to pinpoint dates on _Lost_. Could this be because time travel somehow plays a role in the show’s mythology? After all, Sawyer was shown reading Madeleine L’Engle’s _A Wrinkle in Time_ last season. “It’s important to note,” Lindelof says, "that we’ve never said when the plane crashed. I think the assumption is that it happened in 2004 when the show premiered, but we’ve never said that. Everything [on the show] is measured in terms of PC and AC, pre-crash and after-crash. No [character] ever refers to elections or events in history that would date exactly where we are in time.
It would be interesting to know what specific question prompted that response. The way it’s written, some people might assume that it was given in response to a question like “Is there time-travel involved?” If it were, then saying “It is important to note that we’ve never said when the plane crashed,” seems like an affirmation.
It’s much more likely that the question was something like “When, precisely, is the action on the island taking place?” If this is the case, than the answer doesn’t really tell us anything apart from that the producers are consciously trying to make sure that the show doesn’t date easily, which is pretty standard strategy if you have an eye on syndication or future DVD sales.
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### Author:  [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/182 "2005-10-13T20:41:39Z")
> [@Alliex](#):
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> I checked my DVD and compared it to my tape of ep 4… in Locke’s flashback (Walkabout) he had longer hair and sideburns but it’s def the same guy.
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> Allie X
It’s kind of amusing that Hurley’s Chicken Shack boss later became Hurley’s employee, assuming that the box company Locke worked for is the one that Hurley owned.
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### Author:  [@grayhairedmomma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grayhairedmomma)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/183 "2005-10-13T20:49:49Z")
> [@xtisme](#):
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> I’m not sure one way or the other. The point though is that the shelves all looked full to me. If someone or someones had been cut off in that facility for years (how many years?) then the shelves would be depleted…even if there were years of food left. Maybe as another poster said there are other rooms we haven’t seen yet, but usually you don’t have multiple store rooms of food scattered around a facility like that one…you have one large central store room for food, maybe another for weapons, etc. I’m probably reading too much into this, but when I saw the scene and when Hurley told Jack (IIRC) that there was enough food for one person for 3 months…well, it struck a serious discordant note with me. For one thing I didn’t see Desmond being very anxious about the food situation. Myself, if I were cut off in a facility like that on some gods forsaken island and I knew there was only 3 months of food left I’d be taking steps to figure out what the hell I was going to be eating 4 months from now.
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> Again, I’m probably reading more into it than is there.
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> -XT
But didn’t we see him with fresh fruit in a previous episode? Hasn’t he been out of the hatch? If he knew there were food sources outside, then it wouldn’t be a tremendous concern that food was running low inside.
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### Author:  [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/184 "2005-10-13T20:51:33Z")
The fact that Holland Manners is on the island is proof that they are in Hell. 😃
Who knew Rose was married to Angel’s nemesis?
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### Author:  [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/185 "2005-10-13T20:58:45Z")
> [@grayhairedmomma](#):
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> But didn’t we see him with fresh fruit in a previous episode? Hasn’t he been out of the hatch? If he knew there were food sources outside, then it wouldn’t be a tremendous concern that food was running low inside.
I assumed the fruit was canned or otherwise preserved (sealed, frozen, whatever). I also had the impression he hasnt’ been out of the hatch since he first went in, though I suppose its possible he has. I didn’t see any indications that he was bringing in outside fresh foodstuffs…no drying racks for boar, no baskets of fresh fruits, etc…and we’ve seen no cultivation other than that done by the Korean chick who’s name presently escapes me. You’d think if he were cultivating fruit it would be close to the hatch or the rear exit…and we’d have seen it (i.e. the other survivors would have commented on it).
I don’t remember what the fruit was…but I haven’t seen any of the other survivors eating it (i.e. I don’t think it grows naturally out there in the jungle). Could be wrong of course as I tend to miss some of these things…like the shark logo. 🙂
-XT
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### Author:  [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/186 "2005-10-13T21:08:29Z")
> [@middleman](#):
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> Did we ever confirm whether the chicken manager was the same guy as Hurley’s boss?
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> IMDB lists the actor who played Randy only appearing in one episode.
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> I’m skeptical.
Billy Ray Gallion (sp? I looked it up earlier today) is listed as Randy in both episodes at [TV.com](http://TV.com)
Sorry if this has already been mentioned. I can’t seem to keep up here!
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/187 "2005-10-13T21:21:27Z")
I think any speculation based on books you see in Lost are decoys put there by the writers. In fact, the key to figure things out is figuring out which clues are throw-away items, and which are significant. Books are throw-away clues.
We’ve got things narrowed down now to Dharma corporation, and those weird experiments from the 60s/70s. And the writers have been saying all along that it’s not space aliens or time travel. That seems like genuine input at this point. I really think the writers threw us some big bones in the last few episodes.
It’s pretty clear that the boat people are “running thing” on the island, and I guess they wanted Walt for his psychic ability. They probably relocated him to the bunker that focuses on that research project. Hurley’s dreams were just that-- dreams. Not visions.
I’m beginning to think that the Blackrock was planted there by Dharma, and didn’t run aground. Things started in the 1960s, not the 1800s.
Does anyone know if the I Ching bars on the new Dharma symbol are the same as the one in Desmond’s hatch?
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### Author:  [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/188 "2005-10-13T21:26:22Z")
Go to the [Oceanic Air](http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm) seating chart. Under “Economy Class” is “11-42” with flashing “F”. Click on the “F”, then click on the seat that turns green.
And [Mr. Clucks](http://mrclucks.com/) has a web site.
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### Author:  [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/189 "2005-10-13T21:27:32Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#):
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> It would be interesting to know what specific question prompted that response. The way it’s written, some people might assume that it was given in response to a question like “Is there time-travel involved?” If it were, then saying “It is important to note that we’ve never said when the plane crashed,” seems like an affirmation.
I could see it being in response to Jack’s annecdote about the Red Sox winning the World Series.
> [@Dewey Finn](#):
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> It’s kind of amusing that Hurley’s Chicken Shack boss later became Hurley’s employee, assuming that the box company Locke worked for is the one that Hurley owned.
Ok. It seems to be a given that he is. I wonder was he one of the people who wanted something from Hugo? Hurley, great guy that he is, gave him a job.
But this kind of makes me wonder about the timeline.
Hurley gets the numbers, plays the lottery, buys the box company, (assume) hires Randy, Randy taunts Locke.
What time table are we talking? How long Pre-Crash did Hurley win the lottery? Can we estimate based on when he was on Korean TV?
I wish someone out in cyber space would attempt to create a timeline of events.
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### Author:  [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/190 "2005-10-13T21:31:26Z")
> [@Oslo Ostragoth](#):
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> Go to the [Oceanic Air](http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm) seating chart. Under “Economy Class” is “11-42” with flashing “F”. Click on the “F”, then click on the seat that turns green.
Has anyone seen the Ethan Rom anagram game?
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### Author:  [@Antigen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antigen)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/191 "2005-10-13T21:44:08Z")
> [@middleman](#):
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> But, there was silly talk by Hurley and Charlie about Ethan coming back to life. And Ethan always seemed really creepy.
I’m telling you, he was _breathing_ when they buried him. Everyone thinks I’m crazy, but I’m not giving up on my zombie Ethan theory.
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### Author:  [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/192 "2005-10-13T21:44:17Z")
Yeah, I saw the Ethan Rom game but I couldn’t get it to work. What am I doing wrong?
At the Mr. Clucks site, make sure to click the small paragraph symbol at the bottom right of the screen. It goes to four links, one of which opens some kind of recap of each episode. Also, the big chicken logo will occasionally flicker and show the number sequence mixed in with words like DHARMA and HURLEY.
Apparently there’s a whole cottage industry devoted to creating _Lost_-related gag sites for ABC. 🙂
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### Author:  [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/193 "2005-10-13T21:46:33Z")
Put in Other Man.
Is there a website that reveals all the mysteries of that site? I found a few. Like the hidden message from Sally.
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### Author:  [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/194 "2005-10-13T21:51:39Z")
> [@Antigen](#):
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> I’m telling you, he was _breathing_ when they buried him. Everyone thinks I’m crazy, but I’m not giving up on my zombie Ethan theory.
We all laughed at you at the time. Looking a little better, eh?
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### Author:  [@BigDummy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigDummy)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/195 "2005-10-13T21:57:21Z")
> [@cbawlmer](#):
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> At the Mr. Clucks site, make sure to click the small paragraph symbol at the bottom right of the screen. It goes to four links, one of which opens some kind of recap of each episode. Also, the big chicken logo will occasionally flicker and show the number sequence mixed in with words like DHARMA and HURLEY.
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> Apparently there’s a whole cottage industry devoted to creating _Lost_-related gag sites for ABC. 🙂
Plus the obvious with the web design company and the address
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### Author:  [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/196 "2005-10-13T21:58:19Z")
> [@middleman](#):
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> Put in Other Man.
I’d like to, but it won’t let me enter anything. I’ve tried typing it in, clicking on the letters in the right order, everything I can think of and nothing works.
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### Author:  [@BigDummy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigDummy)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/197 "2005-10-13T22:05:40Z")
> [@cbawlmer](#):
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> I’d like to, but it won’t let me enter anything. I’ve tried typing it in, clicking on the letters in the right order, everything I can think of and nothing works.
Click & drag the letters down to the correct boxes
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### Author:  [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/198 "2005-10-13T22:10:31Z")
> [@BigDummy](#):
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> Click & drag the letters down to the correct boxes
Ah, ok. Never occurred to me to do that. Yay, a three-second video reward!
I knew I wouldn’t be the only one to notice that Jin and Bernard knew each other in their previous lives at Wolfram & Hart. I think Walt’s mother might’ve known them too. She mentioned she was going to be senior partner at the Rome office of her law firm, and we saw the W&H Rome office in the last season of _Angel_. No wonder she dropped dead of Mystery Cancer! 😉
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### Author:  [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/199 "2005-10-13T22:43:15Z")
Another video: Click on the magic numbers in order when looking at the seating chart.
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### Author:  [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/200 "2005-10-13T22:44:19Z")
> [@Barbarian](#):
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> Another video: Click on the magic numbers in order when looking at the seating chart.
I did that and I am getting nothing.
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