# Lost 2.4: "Everybody Hates Hugo" (OPEN SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 12, 2005, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863 "2005-10-12T06:20:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/221 "2005-10-14T16:02:47Z")
There is a new message on the Mr. Cluck’s website > [@](#): > > Hey Cluck… Thanks for letting us take over your site. We are done… for now… But here is something to keep your customers busy. > > A word jumble: > > JACK WILL DI- — ---- – — -----! > > PSHISEOTINEOHCTNEA > > Later! Using the letters and the spaces available I get JACK WILL DIE THE ONCE IT PSI HANSO but I am having a hard time re-arranging those words into a sentence. Maybe someone can come up with an alternate translation. ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/222 "2005-10-14T16:10:36Z")
Oh and there is also a link to a coupon for a free Dharma Shark Burger! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/223 "2005-10-14T16:21:29Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Another whacko idea here since we seem to be throwing out Hurley-related ideas… > > What are the odds that Hurley owns Dharma or, more likely, whatever is left of Dharma or whatever Dharma has become since the 1970’s? I was thinking the exact same thing last night… I still think it’s very significant that Hurley had so much trouble getting to the airport, and that the airline employee said something like “I don’t think you were meant to be on this flight”. ---
**Author:** ![Shadez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Shadez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shadez)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/224 "2005-10-14T16:28:54Z")
I googled PSHISEOTINEOHCTNEA and got only one guess (almost certainly right): [http://www.livejournal.com/community/lost\_tv/1006661.html](http://www.livejournal.com/community/lost_tv/1006661.html) Minor hint if you still want to do it yourself: The third word is NOT die. /S PS: I make no gaurentee that no one will spoil it below, keep that in mind before you scroll down 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/225 "2005-10-14T17:18:26Z")
Some speculation about the next episode. For the record I don’t look at spoiler sites or anything else, this is just from looking at the preview at the end of the episode. In it we see the raft survivors hiding from what may be the Others. We see flashes of grubby people in tattered clothing. One quick shoot of someone holding a teddybear, maybe an adult. I think that whatever Desmond was talking about killed off the adults on the island. The children were left behind to fend for themselves and they became the feral “others”. In other words they are the _lost boys._ The pun works. Of course I am probably wrong, the previews are purposely misleading. ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/226 "2005-10-14T17:32:02Z")
HA! I had to google it. Now that is funny, once I saw ‘Hanso’ in there I thought for sure I had it! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/227 "2005-10-14T17:44:13Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Some speculation about the next episode. For the record I don’t look at spoiler sites or anything else, this is just from looking at the preview at the end of the episode. In it we see the raft survivors hiding from what may be the Others. We see flashes of grubby people in tattered clothing. One quick shoot of someone holding a teddybear, maybe an adult. I think that whatever Desmond was talking about killed off the adults on the island. The children were left behind to fend for themselves and they became the feral “others”. In other words they are the _lost boys._ The pun works. Of course I am probably wrong, the previews are purposely misleading. We’ve floated this idea a few times in these threads. It’s the storyline from Star Trek (TOS) in the episode “Miri”. ---
**Author:** ![Iorek\_Byrnison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Iorek\_Byrnison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iorek_Byrnison)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/228 "2005-10-14T18:26:03Z")
So… Maybe CFL was right all along. The black smoke meant that the Others were coming. But they didn’t come for our folks on the beach, they came for the Tail-vivors. I wonder how long Ana Lucia and company had been gone from their bunker. They seemed to think that there were 23 survivors and came home to, what, eight or nine? If they were gone for 3-4 days, that would match the timeline of last year’s finale when the Others were supposed to be on their way. I also wonder how far (Charlie and Sayid? Were they the ones that went after Turniphead?) traveled to find the black smoke. Did they actually pass where the Tail-vivors are, or was the plume somewhere inbetween them? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/229 "2005-10-14T18:28:00Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > We’ve floated this idea a few times in these threads. It’s the storyline from Star Trek (TOS) in the episode “Miri”. To me seeing the teddybear dragged around by one of the others points to this. Of course it would have been better if it was a stuffed polar bear. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/230 "2005-10-14T18:28:47Z")
> [@Iorek Byrnison](#): > > I wonder how long Ana Lucia and company had been gone from their bunker. They seemed to think that there were 23 survivors and came home to, what, eight or nine? I think that 23 people survived the crash, and in the next episode, we’ll discover that 14 or 15 of them were killed afterwards by the Others, bad luck, etc. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/231 "2005-10-14T18:35:24Z")
Has anyone noticed which \*I ching \* trigrams are used on the Dharma Initiative logo? On the various logos we’ve seen so far, are the same trigrams used everytime? I failed to pay attention to this and now I’m curious. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/232 "2005-10-14T18:46:08Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > To me seeing the teddybear dragged around by one of the others points to this. Of course it would have been better if it was a stuffed polar bear. But we know that some of The Others are adults (the boat people). As for what happened to the 23 tail section folks: Episode 7 this season is called “The Other 48 Days” ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/233 "2005-10-14T18:47:09Z")
> [@The Chao Goes Mu](#): > > Has anyone noticed which \*I ching \* trigrams are used on the Dharma Initiative logo? On the various logos we’ve seen so far, are the same trigrams used everytime? I failed to pay attention to this and now I’m curious. There are only eight trigrams in the I Ching – the 64 hexagrams are made by combining them. All of the trigrams are represented in each version of the Dharma logo. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/234 "2005-10-14T18:51:23Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > There are only eight trigrams in the I Ching – the 64 hexagrams are made by combining them. > > All of the trigrams are represented in each version of the Dharma logo. :smack: Doh! This is why I need to keep the episodes I record. ---
**Author:** ![Broken\_Wind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Broken\_Wind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broken_Wind)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/235 "2005-10-14T19:11:33Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > I think that 23 people survived the crash, and in the next episode, we’ll discover that 14 or 15 of them were killed afterwards by the Others, bad luck, etc. According to the recap, twenty-three originally survived, but only five are left. [ul] [li]Ana Lucia[/li][li]BBD, aka Mysterious Island Man[/li][li]Libby[/li][li]Bernard[/li][li]??? (other chick in bunker?)[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/236 "2005-10-14T19:14:37Z")
> [@Broken Wind](#): > > According to the recap, twenty-three originally survived, but only five are left. > [ul] > [li]Ana Lucia[/li][li]BBD, aka Mysterious Island Man[/li][li]Libby[/li][li]Bernard[/li][li]??? (other chick in bunker?)[/li][/ul] I thought I saw a youngish, dark-haired man in the bunker this week. I actually thought it was Boone for a moment. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/237 "2005-10-14T19:15:51Z")
Moderator comments: Way back many posts, I started trying to hide in spoiler tags references to the possibility of lying flashbacks, but there’s too many comments, quoting the comments, etc. I’d be at it for hours. So I’ve just put a warning in the thread title. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/238 "2005-10-14T19:34:54Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > But we know that some of The Others are adults (the boat people). We don’t really know that the boat folk _are_ Danielle’s capitalized Others – we’ve been frequently misled about who the Others are. I still think they are entirely imaginary. The boat people will turn out to be earlier inhabitants, and might be equally obsessed with the “Others.” > [@Iorek Byrnison](#): > > I wonder how long Ana Lucia and company had been gone from their bunker. They seemed to think that there were 23 survivors and came home to, what, eight or nine? They never expected to find 23 people when they came back. The answer of “23” was given in response to the question “How many of you survived _the crash?_” None of the tailies were surprised that they were gone – they knew already. It was just a tricky way of revealing that _since the crash_ their number was being thinned. My perception of the Others is still coloured by who introduced them – Danielle Rousseau, the namesake of a man who was driven to isolation by his paranoid belief that there was a vast conspiracy of shapeless “others” contending against him, and who alienated everyone who got close to him because he invariably decided that they were working with “them.” I think Ana Lucia and the big guy are “protecting” the group from people they imagine to be working for the “Others” – because they’ve both contracted Rousseau’s sickness. Rousseau killed all of her companions because she “knew” that they were a threat. I think whatever drove her to do that is working its magic on Ana Lucia, too. Admittedly, this theory doesn’t explain the boat folk, (or why the De Groots appear to be among them,) but it doesn’t have to, if we don’t assume them to be directly related. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/239 "2005-10-14T20:18:52Z")
My guesses: 1. There are no “Others,” and I’ve never believed there were. There’s merely competing groups of castaways. It is possible they’re being manipulated by an outside force, but there’s no group of evil, murderous “Others.” 2. There’s no “sickness,” in the sense that there is no disease, nothing with a pathology. The CFW was nuts because she was shipwrecked on a desert island. Desmond was going nuts for the same reason. The Tail Section group apparently didn’t deal real well with the crash, either. Some people go all squirrely faster than others. 3. The island is essentially a psychological laboratory. Possibly one left to go awry, or maybe an ongoing experiment. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2005, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/240 "2005-10-14T23:38:28Z")
Another thing… The “Orientation Film” never says that the “world will end” if the numbers aren’t entered. In fact, the guy giving the instructions is so nonchalant about the whole thing it really SEEMS like an experiment. Does he say anything more than “there was an incident”? I think we can safely say that some of the original experimenters are still there and that they are manipulating things. Bluebeard, for instance. I’m begingin to question the authenticity of CFL’s story. Could she be a plant by the experimenters? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863.md?page=13)