# Lost 2.4: "Everybody Hates Hugo" (OPEN SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 12, 2005, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863 "2005-10-12T06:20:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/241 "2005-10-15T01:00:25Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > 1. There’s no “sickness,” in the sense that there is no disease, nothing with a pathology. The CFW was nuts because she was shipwrecked on a desert island. Desmond was going nuts for the same reason. The Tail Section group apparently didn’t deal real well with the crash, either. Some people go all squirrely faster than others. Well, sure. But remember that Our Heroes were lucky enough to include a doctor, a master hunter, another tracker, a military communcations specialist, a magical psychic boy, five pistols, and probably a whole bunch of other aids to survival I can’t think of at the moment. What if the back section had included a bunch of computer programmers, a few insurance adjusters, and a dozen accountants? Screwed. Am I the only person who wants to see Michael die painfully? God, he is such a fucking asshole. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/242 "2005-10-15T01:30:33Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Am I the only person who wants to see Michael die painfully? Only if he takes Rambina with him. Have I mentioned how annoying she is? ---
**Author:** ![Alias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/243 "2005-10-15T01:49:31Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Well, sure. > > Am I the only person who wants to see Michael die painfully? God, he is such a fucking asshole. > > -Joe What did Michael do? Give the guy a break. If I had my child kidnaped from me on an island, I think I’d be a bit of a jerk too. ---
**Author:** ![Skott](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Skott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skott)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/244 "2005-10-15T05:21:04Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > 1. There are no “Others,” and I’ve never believed there were. There’s merely competing groups of castaways. It is possible they’re being manipulated by an outside force, but there’s no group of evil, murderous “Others.” Then who took Danielle’s baby? And who lit the black smoke without leaving footprints on the beach? ---
**Author:** ![Skott](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Skott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skott)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/245 "2005-10-15T05:25:58Z")
Oh, and if the people on the boat were simply competing castaways, why would they want Walt? I think kidnapping a child and attempting to kill other raft members, and then setting fire to their boat kinda puts them in the “evil” camp. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/246 "2005-10-15T05:43:49Z")
Of course the boat people weren’t simply competing castaways. They had a real boat with a gasoline engine, not a raft cobbled together from debris. (If they were castaways, where did they get the boat?) ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/247 "2005-10-15T06:58:33Z")
It’s been suggested that the researchers who started the Dharma Initiative, Karen and Gerald De Groot, may have been the two most prominently featured folks on the kidnappers’ boat. [Piccy for comparison](http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/4172/theothers6ay.jpg). I could see it with Beard-o. I’m not entirely sure about Blondie. There’s something like a 25-year lapse between the “Orientation” film and “Exodus.” I guess the woman _could_ be a fine-lookin’ 45. (And we know that the Dharma folks had a supply of shampoo and conditioner to keep that mane of hers in form.) As for whether or not they are Danielle’s “others,” I don’t think so. It was quite clear that she had never actually _seen_ any “others,” just heard them whispering. She said they were the “carriers,” and that “it took them, [her fellow researchers] one by one.” She said she had to kill them all, and warns Sayid that if he _must_ go back to his friends, to “watch them closely.” So _she_ hears whispers that convince her that the people around her aren’t to be trusted – and one by one something happens to them that convinces her that they were being controlled by, or working with the “Others.” This sounds pretty much like it could parallel what’s going on with psycho paranoid Ana Lucia. Maybe the boat people have been making raids and snatching people some obscure purpose, but maybe they’ve been whittled down from within… or more likely people have escaped and ran further inland, since I’m sure they’ll want to make Ana Lucia _somewhat_ sympathetic. Anyway, it seems strange to me that Danielle would see her whole team wiped out and be personally harassed by the “Others” for sixteen years _without ever once laying eyes on them_, and then as soon as the Flight 815 bunch wash ashore they’re a bunch of smelly, kidnapping pirates. ---
**Author:** ![Alliex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@Alliex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alliex)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/248 "2005-10-15T10:44:40Z")
I love all the ideas that people come up with to try and explain what could be happening ON the island… but lets not forget the bigger picture… what could possibly explain how these particular people arrived on this island to begin with… the events that led them all to Flight 815 are ‘seemingly’ random…but are they?? … if they are not random… what kind of person, research company or power could have anticipated their individual actions that eventually led them to Flight 815?? How could anyone have manilpulated them all to take the actions that they took in order to ensure them a ticket on THIS flight?? ie’s) ~ Hurley using the numbers to play the lottery and then actually winning the lottery on the day the numbers actually come up?? Was he watched closely and then was the lottery rigged??.. ~ Sayid caring about his friends remains?? Were they banking on his religious fervor?? ~ Locke’s choice to join a ‘walk-about’ adventure?? Did they inundate parapalegics with solicitations to encourage this?? ~ Walt’s mother’s death?? Could she have just died on “cue” so that Brian could make his personal decision not to continue to raise this child?? ~ etc Even taking into account that there was some gabillionaire eccentric that COULD orchestrate everyone’s actions, as impossible as it seems…what is the possibility that that person could not only orchestrate it, but orchestrate it to the extent that the selected people were on the same EXACT flight?? Could anyone or anything really truely lay down all of these dominos?? The answer to that is the answer to this show’s mysteries… I think the island, and its’ mysteries, are a clue…a big clue…but it’s not THE answer (IMO)… In fact, I think that the island is a RESULT of these people’s actions/fate rather than the cause! :eek: It is possible, IMO, that this show could end with every member of the audience taking away a different ending…depending on how they want to interpret the events…the same way the characters have been forced to on the island…it would be a first in TV history as far as I know…turning the audience into the characters! :eek: Are you a person or science or faith?? Hhhmmm… 😕 Allie X \ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/249 "2005-10-15T12:29:26Z")
> [@Skott](#): > > Then who took Danielle’s baby? And who lit the black smoke without leaving footprints on the beach? Danielle lit the fire. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/250 "2005-10-15T12:54:14Z")
So will we find out that Ethan was one of Ana Lucia’s folk who got crazy and ran away? Or was he a Dharma boy? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/251 "2005-10-15T13:09:12Z")
> [@Alias](#): > > What did Michael do? Give the guy a break. If I had my child kidnaped from me on an island, I think I’d be a bit of a jerk too. He’s been an asshole from day one. Long before his child was kidnapped. Of course, after his child was kidnapped he orders Sawyer (the guy who took a bullet trying to SAVE his stupid son) off his raft. He’s worse than Sawyer, he just hides it behind “oh my son, my son!”. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/252 "2005-10-15T13:19:53Z")
> [@Love Rhombus](#): > > So will we find out that Ethan was one of Ana Lucia’s folk who got crazy and ran away? If he were a tail-ender, he still would have been on the flight manifest. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/253 "2005-10-15T13:28:23Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > What if the back section had included a bunch of computer programmers, a few insurance adjusters, and a dozen accountants? Screwed. > > -Joe And some telephone sanitizers. ---
**Author:** ![Alias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/254 "2005-10-15T14:05:35Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > He’s been an asshole from day one. Long before his child was kidnapped. > > Of course, after his child was kidnapped he orders Sawyer (the guy who took a bullet trying to SAVE his stupid son) off his raft. > > He’s worse than Sawyer, he just hides it behind “oh my son, my son!”. > > -Joe See, I think his backstory has given some explanation for his behavior. Michael was in an extremely stressful situation with Walt before the plane crash. He’s on edge. Why do you think he’s simply a jerk? ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/255 "2005-10-15T14:08:29Z")
> [@Love Rhombus](#): > > So will we find out that Ethan was one of Ana Lucia’s folk who got crazy and ran away? > > Or was he a Dharma boy? I doubt he was one of Ana Lucia’s people. He wasn’t on the plane’s manifest. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/256 "2005-10-15T16:29:01Z")
I think Michael has plenty to be angry about. Plus, his annoying characteristics have only come out when he is stressed. I think he is one of the more interesting characters on the show. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/257 "2005-10-15T16:58:46Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Danielle lit the fire. How do you figure? As I recall, the black smoke only began rising once she’d been at the camp for some time. If she’d started it, it likely would have begun smoking before she got to camp. ---
**Author:** ![edwino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@edwino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwino)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/258 "2005-10-15T17:04:39Z")
A theory: Ethan was one of the Others. The front-enders identifying and killing him sent a chilling message to the rest of the Others that the front-enders were not to be messed with. So they focused their efforts on the tail-enders. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/259 "2005-10-15T17:16:01Z")
> [@Alias](#): > > See, I think his backstory has given some explanation for his behavior. Michael was in an extremely stressful situation with Walt before the plane crash. He’s on edge. Why do you think he’s simply a jerk? Umm…just from watching him over the course of nearly 30 episodes. Apart from that, I think he’s been a great guy. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2005, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/260 "2005-10-15T17:36:47Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Umm…just from watching him over the course of nearly 30 episodes. > > Apart from that, I think he’s been a great guy. > > -Joe The guy was hit by a car, dumped by his girlfriend, coerced into signing away his parental rights, required to have extensive physical therapy, unable to pursue his dreams of being an artist, finds out his ex is dead and the man she let adopt Walt doesn’t want him, goes back into the kid’s life (who resents the hell out of him for leaving), crashes onto an island with hatches, crazy french ladies, Koreans who beat his ass, polar bears, TCMs, and “Others” who steal his kid and then leave him to be taken into a pit by the Lord of the Flies. You might not be meeting Michael at his best moments… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863.md?page=14)