# Lost 2.4: "Everybody Hates Hugo" (OPEN SPOILERS)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [October 12, 2005, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863 "2005-10-12T06:20:04Z")
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### Author:  [@medstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/medstar)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2005, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/281 "2005-10-16T20:24:25Z")
> [@parthenokinesis](#):
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> New question brought up this episode. How many survivors will ask Jin to pee on them? You know it’s going to happen again. Who do ya’ll think will be next? My money’s on Locke. Only this time it will be a real medical need.
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> **Also, who will be the first one to knock Ana Lucia on her ass. I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess Sun. That’ll be unexpected, and mysterious, and funny.**
My money’s on Rose. As long as Ana Lucia is just running her mouth, she’s no threat to the castaways. Rose is the one person everyone will assume wouldn’t hurt a fly.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2005, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/282 "2005-10-16T21:30:01Z")
> [@middleman](#):
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> I want to see a little more about (or the very least a mention of) Adam and Eve…
Which episode were they in? I need to rewatch that one.
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### Author:  [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2005, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/283 "2005-10-16T21:36:15Z")
> [@medstar](#):
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> My money’s on Rose. As long as Ana Lucia is just running her mouth, she’s no threat to the castaways. Rose is the one person everyone will assume wouldn’t hurt a fly.
All it will take is Rambina saying something negative about Bernard, and POW! Right on her ass. Rose will clock her into the middle of next week. The cheers from the viewing audience will be heard in China.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2005, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/284 "2005-10-16T23:05:00Z")
Was it “Rambina” or “Rambolina”?
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### Author:  [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2005, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/285 "2005-10-16T23:18:59Z")
> [@middleman](#):
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> I was just reading one of the many fansites for the show and I wanted to add something that the Dopers who track the # of Survivors never mention. There is always discussion of the pilot, US Marshall, and drowning victim surviving the crash, only to die later.
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> But no one ever brings up the guy who survived the crash, only to get sucked into the turbines.
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> I don’t know if he matters to your counting, but he should be part of the discussion, right?
I’m not sure that anyone every counts the pilot since by the time they found him to know he was alive he didn’t last much longer after that. They did tell the pilot how many had survived, I believe it was 48, and I think it was before the marshall kicked it.
As for the guy who got sucked into the engine, he never would have been counted since I’m sure no one got around to counting survivors until all the running, screaming and exploding was over.
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### Author:  [@Farmwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmwoman)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2005, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/286 "2005-10-17T01:21:02Z")
I’m late to the party again, so don’t have anything much to add that hasn’t already been discussed. But of course I’ll think of something:
Regarding the theme of the episode and Hurley’s illogical reaction to his new position of power (wealth?) as Keeper of the Food, I thought it was a brilliant piece of story telling which gave us a glimpse into Hugo’s thought process and his significant ‘people knowing’ powers. I don’t think his friend’s negative reaction had anything to do with the fact that he had just quit his chickenshit job without knowing that Hurley struck it rich. He looked at Hurley exactly as Hurley knew he would upon finding out that his comrade in suffering was a millionaire: You’re no longer one of us, you’re one of them now. Stupid Charlie even said it in one of his hysterical outbursts when he accused Hugo of being _the man_. I don’t think Hurley is so much motivated by the need to have everyone like him as he is by the need to simply blend in and be _like_ everyone else.
> [@Alliex](#):
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> I’ve been keeping a list of of Sawyer’s nick-names for people…this is what I have:
I suffered a giggle fit about midway through Sayid’s nicknames…great list!
And I’m so glad you decided to join us **Alliex**!
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### Author:  [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2005, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/287 "2005-10-17T01:34:24Z")
> [@Wile E](#):
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> I’m not sure that anyone every counts the pilot since by the time they found him to know he was alive he didn’t last much longer after that. They did tell the pilot how many had survived, I believe it was 48, and I think it was before the marshall kicked it.
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> As for the guy who got sucked into the engine, he never would have been counted since I’m sure no one got around to counting survivors until all the running, screaming and exploding was over.
I realize he doesn’t change the balance or the Survivor count. But usually the pilot goes into the plus column and then instantly goes into the loss column.
I just want some respect for Mr. Turbine Man.
Talking about Rose and Bernard made me think of a question: have we encountered anyone on the Island the actually lost a love one or travel companion in the crash?
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### Author:  [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2005, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/288 "2005-10-17T01:52:20Z")
> [@middleman](#):
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> I realize he doesn’t change the balance or the Survivor count. But usually the pilot goes into the plus column and then instantly goes into the loss column.
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> I just want some respect for Mr. Turbine Man.
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> Talking about Rose and Bernard made me think of a question: have we encountered anyone on the Island the actually lost a love one or travel companion in the crash?
Kate and the marshal were travelling together. They were “companions” of a sort.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2005, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/289 "2005-10-17T02:00:15Z")
> [@middleman](#):
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> Talking about Rose and Bernard made me think of a question: have we encountered anyone on the Island the actually lost a love one or travel companion in the crash?
Maybe Scott and Steve had girlfriends-- Karen and Kate. Or was Kate and Karern. 🙂
We haven’t met most of the survivors, so we really wouldn’t know.
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### Author:  [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2005, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/290 "2005-10-17T02:52:49Z")
> [@John Mace](#):
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> Was it “Rambina” or “Rambolina”?
Rambina.
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### Author:  [@Alliex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alliex)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2005, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/291 "2005-10-17T04:28:02Z")
> [@](#):
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> Originally posted by Farmwoman
> I suffered a giggle fit about midway through Sayid’s nicknames…great list!
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> And I’m so glad you decided to join us **Alliex**!
Thanks!! 🙂 Nice to meet you! I think you’re right BTW, about Hurlyey! 😉
My original list of Sawyers nicknames was updated because of a couple of names I was unsure of…the list has been updated (thanks to those who helped!) to look like this:
Sawyers Nicknames:
Hurley
~ Lardo (S1:1)
~ Pork-pie (S1:4)
~ Stay puff (S1:10)
Kate
~ Sweetheart (countless ep’s)
~ Freckles (countless ep’s)
~ Sassafrass (S1:16)
~ Puddin’ (S1:22)
Shannon
~ Sweet cheeks (S1:2)
~ Sticks (S1:5)
Sayid
~ Abdul (S1:3)
~ Al Jazeer (S1:3)
~ Captain Falafel (S1:6)
~ Ali (S1:8)
~ Mohammed (S1:16)
Jack
~ Doc (countless ep’s)
~ Jack-ass (S1:4, 9)
~ Metro (S1:4)
~ St. Jack (S1:7)
~ Chico (S1:8)
~ Cowboy (S1:8)
~ Dr. Quinn (S1:9)
~ Dr. Do-Right (S1:11)
~ Sheriff (S1:16)
Jin
~ Mr. Miyagi
~ Chief (S1:17)
~ Cato (S1:20)
~ Sulu (S1:22)
~ Chewy — as in Chewbacca (S1:24)
Sun
~ Betty (S1:17)
Michael
~ Han — as in Han Solo (S1:24)
~ Hoss (S2:2)
Walt
~ Tattoo (S1:11)
~ Short-brow (S1:18)
Claire
~ Mamacita (S1:20)
Ana Lucia
~ Cupcake (S2:3)
~ Hot Lips (S2:4)
~ Rambina (S2:4)
~ Bitch (S2:4)
Mysterious Island Man
~ Shaft (S2:3)
Ethan
~ Jungle boy (S1:15)
Misc
~ Jungle—Magic Forest
~ Boar—Hunk-o-ham
~ Old Guy “other” on boat — Bluebeard
> [@](#):
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> Originally posted by Middleman
> But no one ever brings up the guy who survived the crash, only to get sucked into the turbines.
I’m updating my list of survivors:
Dead Survivors (of the _original_ 48)
~ US Marshall (S1:3)
~ Joanna (swimmer) (S1:5)
~ Scott Jackson— assumed to have been killed by Ethan and friends (S1:15)
~ Boone Carlysle (S1:20)
~ Leslie Arzt (S1:24)
~ Ethan (b/c they probably counted him among the survivors until they realized otherwise)
Honorable mentions:
~ Turbine guy (S1:1)
~ The Pilot (S1:1)
I agree that the Pilot and Turbine Guy probably weren’t counted in the first list of survivors since they died so quickly, JMO! 😉
So, they let’s say they started with 48, 6 died…leaves us with 42…one birth brings us to 43 survivors to date…but technically, since we know Ethan was not on board, we should probably say there are actually 44 survivors of the "crash’ at this point (including the baby since he was ‘on’ the plane too).
And I just have to add that I think Michael is a total jerk!!! I agree that his wife totally scumbaggged him, and I am on his side on that matter…BUT…in general, Michael is a dick!! I tried for a long time to give him the benefit of the doubt but I can’t do it anymore…his reaction to Sawyer after the raft blew up was so off-base and over the top, I was cringing watching it!! 😛 And that scene where he was saying, (this isn’t word for word but…) “I…just want…to…get…my son…do…you…understand…that…”, was so ridiculous…I thought for a minute that Sawyer was beamed onto the Enterprise and was talking to Captain Kirk!! 😛
Charlie is another survivor I can’t stand…he started out as just pathetic…now he’s pathetic and a complete annoying ass on top of it!! His outbursts towards Hurley is so unjustified, it’s moronic! Waaaahhhh, I want drugs, I mean peanut butter and the fat guy won’t give me any, wwaaaaaahh waaaaahhhh…I don’t care about rationing food in a sensible way, I want peanut butter, wwwaaaaaahhhhhh, nobody tells me anything, waaahhhhhh waahhhhh…I saved Claire’s baby even though it was really Sayid who did it all but I want credit for it, waaahhhhhh waaahhhhhh!! 😛
Put a friggin’ cork in it man!!! 😛
Allie X
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### Author:  [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2005, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/292 "2005-10-17T05:18:19Z")
**Alliex** , great posts! And I love the way you’re keeping track of so many things. Welcome.
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### Author:  [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2005, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/293 "2005-10-17T05:18:42Z")
> [@Alliex](#):
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> Sun
> ~ Betty (S1:17)
I missed this. Anybody recall the context?
> [@Alliex](#):
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> Walt
> ~ Short-brow (S1:18)
It has already been pointed out that this is “Short Round”, but thanks for a great effort!
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### Author:  [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2005, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/294 "2005-10-17T06:21:01Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#):
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> It’s a little ambiguous, but I don’t think Rousseau lit the fire. It’s clear that it was lit before she came to the camp. (That’s why she came to the camp, after all-- to warn them that she’d seen the smoke and that it meant the Others were coming.)
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> That being said, think about her actions after that. She took Claire’s baby and ran to the source of the smoke. When Charlie and Sayid caught up to her, Charlie _accused_ her of starting the fire herself – but that doesn’t mean she did, and she vehemently denied it.
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> She said she heard them whispering, saying that they were going to take the boy – so she grabbed Claire’s baby and ran to the signal fire, _hoping to exchange it for Alex._
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> I think she genuinely expected to find the Others and bargain with them. It doesn’t make any sense for her to make up the story about the smoke coinciding with the loss of her child, set the fire herself, and then try to arrange a swap with people she knows aren’t coming.
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> I guess it’s possible that it was dissociative behaviour, and she didn’t _remember_ setting the signal fire, but it doesn’t seem likely.
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> On preview, what **Wile E** said.
Huh.
The way I saw it was, from her perspective:
She thought she heard them talking about how they were coming for the child. She thought about how she could use it to her advantage. She’d had plenty of time to decide/realize that the black smoke from her past was a signal for them to meet, and so she thought it might work again. Since they were after the child, she lit the fire - both to attract them to bargain, and to use as a scare tactic to cause the group to go on the move or otherwise make Claire’s baby more vulnerable to her.
She had really thought that the others would come to the smoke she lit, and that she’d be able to orchestrate a deal with the child.
Of course, I guess I was wrong. I misremembered the timing of the black smoke. I thought the whole thing was that there was the black smoke, and she came to visit then to warn them of the danger - if it wasn’t that, what reason did she say she came to them for?
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### Author:  [@Alliex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alliex)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2005, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/295 "2005-10-17T07:07:43Z")
> [@](#):
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> Originally posted byVivalostwages
> Alliex, great posts! And I love the way you’re keeping track of so many things. Welcome.
Thanks…I feel VERY welcome here!! 🙂 I have kept track of quite a lot of things actually, but I will wait for the appropriate queries to post them! 🙂
I kept track of the numbers but then I saw the website that had kept track of the numbers too…my record is a bit simpler…their record contains the same things as mine to some extent but then there are the ‘extravagent math numbers’ connection…if you add this and subtract that and divide it by whatever, you get one of the numbers…a bit contrived IMO…but hey.
> [@](#):
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> Originally posted by Oslo Ostragoth
> I missed this. Anybody recall the context?
>
> It has already been pointed out that this is “Short Round”, but thanks for a great effort!
You are right…I swear I changed that on my word document…that’s why I’m on THIS site, you guys don’t miss a trick!!! I stand corrected, AGAIN!! _LOL_
Allie X
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### Author:  [@Alliex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alliex)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2005, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/296 "2005-10-17T07:12:59Z")
> [@](#):
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> Oslo Ostragoth
> I missed this. Anybody recall the context?
I can check my DVD for the context of _Betty_ but you’re right, I remember thinking that I didn’t get the reference…I thought of ‘betty’ from the Flintstones, but I still didn’t get it. 😕
Allie X
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### Author:  [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2005, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/297 "2005-10-17T07:33:19Z")
_cough_
Bangkok Betty.
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### Author:  [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2005, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/298 "2005-10-17T15:12:10Z")
> [@Alliex](#):
>
> Charlie is another survivor I can’t stand…he started out as just pathetic…now he’s pathetic and a complete annoying ass on top of it!! His outbursts towards Hurley is so unjustified, it’s moronic! Waaaahhhh, I want drugs, I mean peanut butter and the fat guy won’t give me any, wwaaaaaahh waaaaahhhh…I don’t care about rationing food in a sensible way, I want peanut butter, wwwaaaaaahhhhhh, nobody tells me anything, waaahhhhhh waahhhhh…I saved Claire’s baby even though it was really Sayid who did it all but I want credit for it, waaahhhhhh waaahhhhhh!! 😛
> Put a friggin’ cork in it man!!! 😛
>
> Allie X
I agree that his whinging has started to wear a little thin. I was just talking about Charlie with look!ninjas the other day, and we came to the conclusion that Charlie doesn’t know how to get what he wants anymore without manipulation. It’s actually very good writing on the parts of the writers because drug addicts, heroin addicts in particular, are known for that kind of behavior. Just because Charlie isn’t using (that we know of) right now, he’s still a junkie, and that junkie attitude is hard to shake.
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### Author:  [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2005, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/299 "2005-10-17T15:42:27Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#):
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> _cough_
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> Bangkok Betty.
Never heard of her.
How about a “Betty” bomber?
-Joe
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### Author:  [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2005, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/300 "2005-10-17T16:04:13Z")
> [@Merijeek](#):
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> Never heard of her.
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> How about a “Betty” bomber?
>
> -Joe
[Betty Page](http://www.bettiepage.com/index.php)
[Betty Boop](http://www.bettyboop.com/)
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