# Lost 2.4: "Everybody Hates Hugo" (OPEN SPOILERS)
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [October 12, 2005, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863 "2005-10-12T06:20:04Z")
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### Author:  [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/101 "2005-10-13T11:49:09Z")
Ana Lucia is annoying and one-dimensional because Michelle Rodriguez is annoying and one-dimensional. I heard her interview on Howard Stern when Girlfight came out, and they just about blew out the bleep button because of her potty mouth. She wanted to fight with just about every caller, and that attitude she’s showing on Lost was exactly the same as the one she brought to the interview. She was tolerable (but of course tough and confrontational) in Blue Crush, but she doesn’t bring much to the table.
Hey, **Ms Macphisto** , how do you get to the Lost episodes on IMDB? All I can find is season 1.
I thought it was sweet the way Rose just smiled and saved her chocolate bar for Bernard. I can’t wait to know more about her - she’s a wonderful character.
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### Author:  [@AndyPolley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndyPolley)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/102 "2005-10-13T11:55:01Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#):
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> Charlie flipped out awfully fast this time, and more than once.
Did we ever learn if Charlie is actually using the drugs he found? Methinks there may be a reason for his irrational behavior.
Hurley’s poor problem solving skills have been seen in last season’s final episode. He seemed willing to jump onto about-to-explode dynamite when he freaked out over the numbers. I’d say his time of being cursed by the numbers has warped his brain a bit.
For the record, I feel this season is moving much, much faster than season one. I can’t bring myself to complain about answers & such when bits of info are being handed out at a record pace for this show. I thought this episode rocked.
“Drive _Shaft?_ More like Drive _Suck!_”
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### Author:  [@Iorek\_Byrnison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iorek_Byrnison)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/103 "2005-10-13T12:28:40Z")
> [@Monstre](#):
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> _ring_
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> “Oh, that must be Jesus!”
Am I actually the first to say it, or did I miss this in the thread somewhere?
“It is Jesus! He wants to know what color car you want!” 😃
I was pleasantly surprised to see [DJ Qualls](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0702809/) as Hugo’s best buddy. I love that guy.
So, apparently the Tail-vivers found a hatch too, but it seemed pretty gutted out. Anyone catch anything in there that made it look like it used to be a lab/living space/animal/pen? Looked like just a rusty metal box to me.
Maybe the Dharma Initiative made a hasty retreat from the Island after the “incident” that Marvin Candle mentioned in the ‘Orientation’ film?
-IB
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### Author:  [@Iorek\_Byrnison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iorek_Byrnison)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/104 "2005-10-13T12:30:23Z")
> [@Iorek Byrnison](#):
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> Anyone catch anything in there that made it look like it used to be a lab/living space/animal/pen?
Okay, so it probably wasn’t previously an animal, nor a pen. Might it have been an animal pen? :smack:
For, I dunno, polar bears?
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### Author:  [@StGermain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StGermain)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/105 "2005-10-13T12:49:33Z")
What no one has mentioned so far is that there was three months of food for one man in the storeroom. The room seemed pretty full, which means somehow Desmond was being resupplied at regular intervals. He wasn’t eating 20 year old food, he was eating new food brought to him. So in some way there should be more food coming sooner or later. But the survivors have been doing a decent job of feeding themselves. They don’t _need_ the food from the hatch. And I’d be suspicious of it being doped, myself.
StG
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### Author:  [@Antigen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antigen)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/106 "2005-10-13T12:54:29Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#):
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> They seem to be eating well enough now, but what if the food supply dries up? People might starve to death because Hurley didn’t want anyone to dislike him. Blah.
Like he explained to Jack, though, all that food was for one person - Desmond. and it would have lasted maybe a couple more months, if it was only one person eating it. With 40 Losties munching at it, even rationing carefully wouldn’t have helped it to last very long. If they’ve managed over a month in the island without the Dharma-food, it’s because they’ve figured out a way to survive on what the island has to offer.
Besides, doing it this way makes Hurley the hero instead of the jerk who wouldn’t give people peanut butter.
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### Author:  [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/107 "2005-10-13T13:05:10Z")
> [@AndyPolley](#):
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> Did we ever learn if Charlie is actually using the drugs he found? Methinks there may be a reason for his irrational behavior.
I very much doubt they’d let his backslide into addiction happen offscreen. And they haven’t shown him using.
> [@](#):
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> “Drive _Shaft?_ More like Drive _Suck!_”
No no, he said “More like _Suck_ Shaft!”
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### Author:  [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/108 "2005-10-13T13:15:59Z")
> [@Stephe96](#):
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> What happened to the other 23 people? Was I the only one who thought…_cannibalism?_
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> Also, there was something familiar about the ‘evil’ group in an underground bunker, along with a couple of ‘good’ guy hostages, and the ‘good’ group in another one. Then it hit me: _Watership Down_. One of the books Sawyer was reading in the first season.
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> Too much of a stretch? Probably, but I’m searching for _anything_ here, folks!
Can you elaborate please?
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### Author:  [@look\_ninjas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/look_ninjas)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/109 "2005-10-13T14:00:23Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#):
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> Secondly, Hurley can be a selfish dick. He was going to blow up the food, just to avoid having people dislike him. He may have had a point that bickering over the food might be devisive, but he specifically talked about how he didn’t want everyone to hate him, and it was clear that was the main reason.
The thing is, though, we’ve already established that Hurley deviates from normal in some fashion, or he wouldn’t have been in the psych ward, and he wouldn’t have gotten the numbers in the first place. There has to be some element of fragility in him, and it seems like self-esteem and that need to be liked is where his problems lie. I’m glad he’s not just the happy funny fat man. His irrational moments are what give depth to his character.
Like it or not, Hurley doesn’t really know how to handle a crisis. If someone gives him advice, it’ll calm him down and he’ll take it, but otherwise, he gets panicky and doesn’t know what to do. I don’t see that as selfishness on his part. It’s just desperation. And desperate people do stupid things.
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### Author:  [@grayhairedmomma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grayhairedmomma)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/110 "2005-10-13T14:13:21Z")
I was listening to the radio on the way to work this morning and they mentioned this website which has pictures of the scientists from the training film and compares them to the pictures of The Others who took Walt.
[Boat People vs. Scientists](http://humpys.net/images/thedegroots.jpg)
I think they look like the same people.
I didn’t see this in the last thread, so I hope this isn’t redundant.
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### Author:  [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/111 "2005-10-13T14:15:45Z")
> [@Stephe96](#):
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> Also, there was something familiar about the ‘evil’ group in an underground bunker, along with a couple of ‘good’ guy hostages, and the ‘good’ group in another one. Then it hit me: _Watership Down_. One of the books Sawyer was reading in the first season.
I think you may be on to something here. Nice catch.
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### Author:  [@AndyPolley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndyPolley)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/112 "2005-10-13T14:40:27Z")
> [@Fiver](#):
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> I very much doubt they’d let his backslide into addiction happen offscreen. And they haven’t shown him using.
Maybe so…but the fact that he has herion in his pocket could also be causing stress & affecting his behavior.
> [@Fiver](#):
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> No no, he said “More like _Suck_ Shaft!”
:smack: I stand corrected.
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### Author:  [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/113 "2005-10-13T14:42:44Z")
> [@grayhairedmomma](#):
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> I was listening to the radio on the way to work this morning and they mentioned this website which has pictures of the scientists from the training film and compares them to the pictures of The Others who took Walt.
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> [Boat People vs. Scientists](http://humpys.net/images/thedegroots.jpg)
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> I think they look like the same people.
> I didn’t see this in the last thread, so I hope this isn’t redundant.
There are a few comparison pictures like that floating around the net, and the more I look at them, the more I think they really might be the same people.
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### Author:  [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/McDeath_the_Mad)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/114 "2005-10-13T14:45:13Z")
> [@StGermain](#):
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> What no one has mentioned so far is that there was three months of food for one man in the storeroom. The room seemed pretty full, which means somehow Desmond was being resupplied at regular intervals. He wasn’t eating 20 year old food, he was eating new food brought to him. So in some way there should be more food coming sooner or later. But the survivors have been doing a decent job of feeding themselves. They don’t _need_ the food from the hatch. And I’d be suspicious of it being doped, myself.
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> StG
I agree **StGermain**! I said the same thing last night to **Stainz**. The kicker is, the food should have been able to support 2 people. Technically it probably should have run out by now.
I do have a WAG, there may have been other store rooms with food that Desmond and the other guy had finished off already.
And that bunker where the tail-section people are was definitly a Darhma lab. Does anybody have any screen caps of the logo on the wall yet? I checked and the Darhma Industries and Hanso Foundation websites have been updated yet.
MtM
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### Author:  [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/115 "2005-10-13T14:53:40Z")
Random tidbits; I’m not going to go and quote everybody…
The guns CFL has look like the kind of rifles they’d have on board a ship for dealing with sharks. The gun Locke was messing was more of a people-killing gun the military would use… or a company that might have to bring down the occasional polar bear…
I loved how they mocked Drive Shaft…
I think Charlie’s flipping out is either because he’s using again, or he isn’t, and it’s still messing with his head…
In _Watership Down,_ the good rabbits found a warren of rabbits which was being fed by a nearby farmer, who set snares to catch the rabbits… the ones living in the warrens had an air of despair and despondency about them…
For all those people who aren’t happy with how little information we got this episode: It’s like we’re all pushing a button on a box, over and over again, with no knowledge of what the button does or when we’re going to find out… that sounds familiar, somehow… :dubious:
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### Author:  [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/McDeath_the_Mad)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/116 "2005-10-13T15:12:36Z")
S for kicks I ripped the following sites using BlackWidow:
[Hanso Foundation](http://www.thehansofoundation.org)
[Dharma Industries](http://dharmaindustries.com)
Unfortunately there were no hidden pages or anything.
Oh well, it was worth a shot.
MtM
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### Author:  [@Velma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velma)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/117 "2005-10-13T15:25:52Z")
I thought it was a very sweet episode, between Hurley’s story and Rose and her husband. Some thoughts:
I agree that Ana-Lucia is very annoying, but by the end of the episode I felt that the reason she is such a hard ass is that their group is having a much rougher time than our beloved survivors on the other side of the island. I think they are hiding from the Others - that the rest of the 23 were taken away or killed and they need to be super paranoid (hence the code knock on the hatch door before they entered.) Maybe the creature got some of them, but since they are so violent and suspicious of people it makes me think they are having trouble with other people on the island. Her hard approach with Sawyer could even be taken as for his own good, they need to follow orders here if they are going to survive. She has probably seen many people get taken or killed by now.
I thought the backstory on Hurley was good, it shows that he needs to be liked and provided a nice bonding moment for everyone at the end. I think it really wasn’t a bad decision, if there wasn’t much food left it does make sense for everyone to just have a few good meals than to fight over it for weeks. Obviously they have survived this long so there is other food on the island. I like the character backstories, the real show is after all about the characters and I feel like this season is settling in a little. I am satisfied with how much is revealed for the most part. We have really learned a lot in 4 episodes if you think about how much we didn’t know at the end of last season.
Seeing the other hatch makes me think all 6 stations are on the island, not scattered over the world, so maybe there are 4 more yet to be discovered. The tail section must have found the back door to theirs easier than our group.
I think Sun buried the bottle so the rest of the survivors would still have hope that the raft people could still bring rescue. Hopefully Jin’s story will be soon and they will show how he got back to the island before Sawyer and Mike. Looks like my thoughts about Jin being a plant are pretty much out, the writers are doing a good job of screwing with me.
Little spoiler, not a big one about Sayid, as he said on Ellen yesterday:
He said that he and Shannon “would pursue their relationship to its natural conclusion” being that they are a man and a woman and they have to fulfill their needs, and when asked if nudity was involved, he said yes…on his part 🙂
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### Author:  [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/118 "2005-10-13T15:32:22Z")
I just want to buck the anti-Ana Lucia/Michelle Rodriguez pile-on by proclaiming I personally do NOT find that chick in any way, shape or form annoying, although I question the sanity of those who do.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/119 "2005-10-13T15:34:29Z")
> [@Alias](#):
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> There are a few comparison pictures like that floating around the net, and the more I look at them, the more I think they really might be the same people.
I thought the blonde chick\* in the group that was keeping Jin, et al captive looked a LOT like the chick who threw the molotav cocktail at the raft. But I haven’t checked on it. I’m sure the uber-Lost-geeks will be on this and we’ll all know shortly…
\*she didn’t have any dialogue
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### Author:  [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2005, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-4-everybody-hates-hugo-open-spoilers/325863/120 "2005-10-13T15:38:05Z")
> [@Antigen](#):
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> Like he explained to Jack, though, all that food was for one person - Desmond. and it would have lasted maybe a couple more months, if it was only one person eating it. With 40 Losties munching at it, even rationing carefully wouldn’t have helped it to last very long.
I figured that it would last them about 3 days if they ate 3 meals a day. A week or a few days extra if they ate one meal a day. They could stretch it out longer possibly, but they’d still have to hunt and gather to supplement their food.
> [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](#):
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> I agree **StGermain**! I said the same thing last night to **Stainz**. The kicker is, the food should have been able to support 2 people. Technically it probably should have run out by now.
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> I do have a WAG, there may have been other store rooms with food that Desmond and the other guy had finished off already.
That’s my guess. All the food back there was vacuum packed, canned and sealed. I didn’t notice any fresh foods anywhere, and milk for his cereal could easily have come from milk powder (_gags_ only good for baking IMO).
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