# Lost 2.5: "... and Found" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 19, 2005, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890 "2005-10-19T13:17:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/1 "2005-10-19T13:17:45Z")
First, the thread rules: > [@](#): > > Information about all episodes aired to this point – including the current week – will be unboxed. > Information about this week’s episode’s “next week” teasers will be unboxed. > Information about future episodes taken from spoiler sites/inside sources will be boxed. This includes links to promo photos and screencaps from future episodes. > Speculation based on events in episodes aired up to this point (including teasers) will be unboxed. > Speculation based on spoilers for upcoming episodes will be boxed. > > Please remember, links inside spoiler boxes are readable even to those who don’t highlight. **Note: Next week’s show is a repeat of “Adrift”. World Series week.** I’m expecting some dramatic moments (given how last week’s episode ending with happy music) and for the plot to advance a bit (since there’s no new episode next week). But I bet we don’t really find out who The Others are… From the on-screen guide regarding this episode: ”…and Found”. Michael heads into the jungle to look for Walt, but discovers that he is not alone; Sawyer and Jin are ordered by their captors to take them to their camp; and Sun searches frantically for her missing wedding ring. Some useful links are given below. Thread index for Season 1 Episodes: [1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=277083) [2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=278382) [3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=279542) [4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=280792) [5](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=281998) [6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=283328) [7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=284665) [8](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=285925) [9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=287237) [10](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=289514) [11](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=290718) [12](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=295320) [13](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=296591) [14](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=297760) [15](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=301602) [16](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=302710) [17](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=303909) [18](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=304986) [19](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=309511) [20](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=310613) [21](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=315048) [22](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=316088) [23](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=317139) [24](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=318051) Thread index for Season 2 Episodes: [1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=335991) [2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=337167) [3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=338307) [4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=339366) [The Official Lost Jargon Thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=286221) [Official “Lost” Questions Thread, Season 1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=284542) [Official “Lost” Questions Thread, Season 2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=336040) ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/2 "2005-10-19T14:16:13Z")
> [@](#): > > But I bet we don’t really find out who The Others are… I’m holding out hope that we’ll at least find out who Bluebeard is, because… M.C. Gainey is listed as “Bearded Man” in the season 1 finale, on IMDB. And he’s listed again in the guest credits for this week’s show. So, assuming their info is accurate (which is not always the case, for shows not aired yet)… ---
**Author:** ![Alias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/3 "2005-10-19T14:23:59Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > I’m holding out hope that we’ll at least find out who Bluebeard is, because… > > M.C. Gainey is listed as “Bearded Man” in the season 1 finale, on IMDB. And he’s listed again in the guest credits for this week’s show. So, assuming their info is accurate (which is not always the case, for shows not aired yet)… Yes! I’m very interested in finding out who Bluebeard is. Especially since a lot of people seem to think he is Dr. DeGroot. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/4 "2005-10-19T14:47:58Z")
> [@Alias](#): > > Yes! I’m very interested in finding out who Bluebeard is. Especially since > > a lot of people seem to think he is Dr. DeGroot. I don’t think you really needed to spoiler that last bit, since it’s speculation that’s already popped up a number of times in the previous threads. Somehow I don’t think Bluebeard is the DeGroot guy (as some of those screen cap composites hopefully portray). Mostly because of the actor listed as playing Bluebeard in the season 1 finale… it just doesn’t look like him to me in that “Orientation” film. (Unless they just got a different actor to play the younger version of him, in which case maybe that could be the intent… but I don’t think it was the same actor in the two “roles”). ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/5 "2005-10-19T15:20:43Z")
> [@Alias](#): > > Yes! I’m very interested in finding out who Bluebeard is. Especially since > > a lot of people seem to think he is Dr. DeGroot. Not only that, He’s probably Kelvin, too. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/6 "2005-10-19T15:20:52Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I’m expecting some dramatic moments (given how last week’s episode ending with happy music) and for the plot to advance a bit (since there’s no new episode next week). But I bet we don’t really find out who The Others are… My WAG is that we’ll get more back story on the tail section folks and what happened to them, and we’ll find out somethings about The Others sifted through the perceptions of the other survivors. But I agree, I don’t think we’ll learn directly about The Others in this episode. I’m expecting some interesting things all the same. 🙂 -XT ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/7 "2005-10-19T17:05:40Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > My WAG is that we’ll get more back story on the tail section folks and what happened to them, and we’ll find out somethings about The Others sifted through the perceptions of the other survivors. But I agree, I don’t think we’ll learn directly about The Others in this episode. I’m expecting some interesting things all the same. I think “The Others” are either remnants of or somehow related to the deGroot’s group of experimenters from the 60s/70s. I also think Adam and Eve are of the same original group. As for the tail section folks’ backstory… Episode 7 will be devoted entirely to their time on the island. It’s called “The Other 48 Days”. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/8 "2005-10-19T17:09:16Z")
Wonder if we’ll see Walt at all this episode. Even if in a dream. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/9 "2005-10-19T17:14:24Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > Wonder if we’ll see Walt at all this episode. Even if in a dream. Walt is listed as a guest star _next_ week. (As is Boone.) ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/10 "2005-10-19T17:15:23Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I think “The Others” are either remnants of or somehow related to the deGroot’s group of experimenters from the 60s/70s. I also think Adam and Eve are of the same original group. I agree. I mentioned this in one of your other threads in fact. I think they were part of the original experiments, probably the ones given a psycho-active drug without the antidote…and they they went psychotic and ran amok (I always wanted to use ‘ran amok’ in a sentence…sorry). I don’t think we are going to find any of this out tonight though…just what they have done to the other survivors, with maybe some hints and glimpses. Reguardless I’m counting down the hours till the show comes on tonight. 🙂 I’ve already got cigars, scotch and pizza lined up with the wife, some friends (and their wives and husbands…no kids allowed!) coming over for our weekly Lost in the dark party and after action analysis. 😛 -XT ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/11 "2005-10-19T17:16:24Z")
It’s going to be an all Zombie extravaganza! I bet Ethan-Zombie makes a guest appearance looking much like he does in _Threshold_. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/12 "2005-10-19T17:19:43Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > I’ve already got cigars, \ and pizza lined up with the wife, some friends (and their wives and husbands…no kids allowed!) coming over for our weekly Lost in the dark party and after action analysis. 😛 > > -XT I’m coming over to your house. Anyplace where I can watch Lost AND smoke a cigar is nirvana. I’ve got Cubans… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/13 "2005-10-19T17:22:57Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > I’m coming over to your house. Anyplace where I can watch Lost AND smoke a cigar is nirvana. I’ve got Cubans… MMM…cubans. I miss Canada. 😉 I actually have a special ‘Lost’ room set up (ok, its actually our home entertainment room) with air filters/purifiers (the wife doesn’t like cigar smoke) and the whole bit. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Alias](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a88e4f/32.png) [@Alias](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alias)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/14 "2005-10-19T17:32:02Z")
xtisme, I’m coming to your house too! I’m not really into cigars, but a kid-free zone for Lost? I am so there! ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/15 "2005-10-19T18:39:09Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > Made you look! The _HELL?_ So, is he not officially in the cast this season, or what? Somebody please tell me WHAT in the HELL is going ON around here! ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/16 "2005-10-19T18:52:16Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > The _HELL?_ So, is he not officially in the cast this season, or what? Somebody please tell me WHAT in the HELL is going ON around here! Watch the opening credits–his name is gone. Doesn’t bode well, does it? ---
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/17 "2005-10-19T18:56:52Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > Walt is listed as a guest star _next_ week. (As is Boone.) Next week is going to be a repeat (they don’t want to go up against the World Series). That episode will probably be 11/2. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/18 "2005-10-19T19:18:55Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > MMM…cubans. I miss Canada. 😉 I actually have a special ‘Lost’ room set up (ok, its actually our home entertainment room) with air filters/purifiers (the wife doesn’t like cigar smoke) and the whole bit. > > -XT [hijack] Oh man, sweet. Actually I don’t have too many Cubans (Romeo Y Julieta Tubos, a couple of Cohiba Esplendidos, and some Monte Cristo Coronas), but I just got in a shipment of non Cubans including: El Rey del Mundo Robustos Flor De Olivia Grand Maduro Robustos Punch Rothschilds Partagas Black Clasicos Puros Indios Rothschilds Savinelli Nicaragua Reserve Rothschilds Don Tomas Cameroon Robustos Padron 3000 The best part is, I’ve never tried ANY of these cigars. A little time to settle in the humi, and I’m in tobacco heaven! [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/19 "2005-10-19T19:30:48Z")
My money is on Adam and Eve being the DeGruits. How many bastardized spellings of DeGrhoots does that bring us up to? Time will tell. Damn, I love this show. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2005, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890/20 "2005-10-19T19:48:15Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > [hijack] > Oh man, sweet. Actually I don’t have too many Cubans (Romeo Y Julieta Tubos, a couple of Cohiba Esplendidos, and some Monte Cristo Coronas) Romeo y Julieta Cubanos!! R&J are my favorites, but I only get the Domincan ones. I say we all meet over at **XT** ’s house for the next new episode and cigar tasting party. **XT** : You’ll have to tell me about your cigar room one of these days. I can usually have mine outside most of the year here (it never gets all that cold), but sometimes in winter you want a nice cozy place… One ritual my “Lost” group had to institute, was having a shot of something nasty sitting out for anyone who talks during the show. One word and you gotta do the shot. There’s just so much stuff going on in this show it’s hard to keep quite, but you don’t want to miss a thing! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-5-and-found/326890.md?page=2)