# Lost 2.6: "Abandoned" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 9, 2005, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181 "2005-11-09T05:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/181 "2005-11-11T02:48:18Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Where’s the cutoff? It wasn’t at the airport. But it’s pretty insignificant, so probably shouldn’t be included. Fair enough. I’ll include him. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/182 "2005-11-11T02:49:16Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > Could be; I still think there’s something going on with that car. It’s hit three separate lostaways: Michael, Kate & Locke. Actually, that’s a very interesting point. I wonder if a HD freeze-frame would show anybody behind the wheel? I forget, did we see any of that when Michael got run down? Hey, **middleman**! Made you look! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/183 "2005-11-11T03:39:25Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > - I love the way they have made Libby look. She looks like a woman who has actually been on an island with no luxuries for 40+ days. And in real life, she is one of the most beautiful women in showbiz! What’s her name? I tried to find her to compare on IMDB but there was no listing for “libby”. In the process, I did see a list of guest stars for the episode, including: Thomas Gibson … Greg DeGroot Was anyone who fits being Greg DeGroot in the episode? There were also other [listings](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/guests) (search for 2.6) there for people I can’t identify - although they may have been named, but insignificant people. > [@Ethilrist](#): > > Possible, however, > her gun had been fired. The slide was back, indicating the last bullet had been fired from the clip (the slide doesn’t move forward until the next bullet is in the chamber). Occam and that silly razor of his says she shot her. Two nits: The slide moves the bullet forward, it doesn’t wait until magical fairies load the bullet into the chamber to move forward… the magazine is locked back by a small metal tab on the follower on the magazine holding back the slide when the follower reaches the top and the magazine is empty. Second - Occam’s razor was never intended to be used to evaluate events, but rather as a guideline in forming arguments And I could’ve put in a nit about “clip”, but I’m being anal enough as it is. > [@msmith537](#): > > IIRC, it sounded like a rifle shot, not a pistol, there wasn’t any smoke coming out of the pistol and that crazy Frenchwoman is still running around with a rifle. I doubt the sound guys that work on the show actually know the difference, they probably just used whatever sounded best in the context. ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/184 "2005-11-11T04:32:29Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > What’s her name? Watch some old Drew Carey reruns when they show the last couple seasons. She played Kelly, Drew’s girlfriend after Kate left to hang out in the hospital on Scrubs. Re: Charlie and maybe taking a bit before his run in with Claire: I also got that feeling when he came down on Hurley about the peanut butter. Re: Vincent: Look at his eyes. Are they shifty? That’s how you know a dog is evil. Also, have we seen a talking pie on the island? ---
**Author:** ![BigDummy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee59a6/32.png) [@BigDummy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigDummy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/185 "2005-11-11T05:24:21Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > What’s her name? I tried to find her to compare on IMDB but there was no listing for “libby”. Her name is [Cynthia Watros](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0914475/). She’s not listed as a guest because she’s listed as a regular part of the cast this year, along with A.L. and Mr. Eko. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/186 "2005-11-11T13:04:26Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Hey, **middleman**! Made you look! 😃 DAMN YOU! ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/187 "2005-11-11T13:42:09Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > In the process, I did see a list of guest stars for the episode, including: > > Thomas Gibson … Greg DeGroot > > Was anyone who fits being Greg DeGroot in the episode? I think we decided a couple of weeks ago that someone was playing with us. Thomas Gibson starred in Dharma & Greg. Get it? 😉 Although with show, you never know. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/188 "2005-11-11T14:08:54Z")
Connection: Jack and Desmond met in the stadium. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/189 "2005-11-11T16:05:02Z")
Seems there’s a new page open over there at the Hanso Foundation: [http://www.thehansofoundation.org/images/ltr\_press.gif](http://www.thehansofoundation.org/images/ltr_press.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/190 "2005-11-11T16:22:54Z")
And another one: [http://www.thehansofoundation.org/khr.html](http://www.thehansofoundation.org/khr.html) Hint: Type “Copenhagen” (without quotations) into the submit field. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Wing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/51bf81/32.png) [@Little\_Wing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Wing)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/191 "2005-11-11T16:27:36Z")
Here’s one thing that puzzled me about this episode. Shannon sees freaky Walt, goes running after him, yelling, “Waaaaalllt” (what else?) and still AL is so suprised that she shoots Shannon? I mean, Shannon just didn’t pop out of the bushes with no warning. AL would have heard Shannon yelling. I don’t suppose the others go around yelling “Waaaallt” before they attack. But, then again, if Shannon wasn’t shot but stabbed (as suggested earlier in this thread) then who knows? ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/192 "2005-11-11T16:28:25Z")
All I’m getting from the “Copenhagen” thing is the quote from Hanso to the UN. Is there something else? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/193 "2005-11-11T16:32:00Z")
Verrrry interesting, that press release. What do you want to bet that the Walt visions are a result of the “Accelerated Remote Viewing” facility. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/194 "2005-11-11T16:32:01Z")
Sorry, I should clarify those two posts. If you go to the root site ([www.thehansofoundation.org](http://www.thehansofoundation.org)), then click on “Active Projects” you’ll see the list of projects. If you click on the life extension project, you’ll be taken to a .gif of the first page. If you mouse over the last line in the letter, you’ll see it links to the second page I posted. Sorry 'bout that. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/195 "2005-11-11T16:35:31Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > All I’m getting from the “Copenhagen” thing is the quote from Hanso to the UN. Is there something else? Use a capital C. > [@silenus](#): > > What do you want to bet that the Walt visions are a result of the “Accelerated Remote Viewing” facility. I wouldn’t be a box of donuts and a poke in the eye against that. I think you’re right. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/196 "2005-11-11T16:43:37Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > Use a capital C. That occurred to me just after I submitted my post. 🙂 Thanks! So, we’ve got the Life Extension Project, which is clearly still in the works, and may have something to do with what Desmond was injecting himself with. There’s also innumerable WAGs involved regarding the ages of the Others, especially the Other kids. The Mathematical Forecasting Initiative almost certainly has something to do with the numbers, so I can’t wait until _that_ page fills in. The Cryogenics thing kinda scares me–somebody’s going to find a bunker full o’ frozen people. I have absolutely no idea what Juxtapositional Eugenics means. But of course, I can’t wait to find out. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/197 "2005-11-11T16:44:46Z")
How did you discover that Copenhagen was the password? ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/198 "2005-11-11T16:48:06Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > I have absolutely no idea what Juxtapositional Eugenics means. But of course, I can’t wait to find out. 🙂 Well, in the letter about Joop, one of the sentences is “…the suite of **transgenic** technologies that compromise The Hanso Foundation’s Life-Extension Project …”. I’ll bet they’re related. This page is getting to look like a CIA released Majestic 12 document… ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/199 "2005-11-11T16:51:54Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Verrrry interesting, that press release. > > What do you want to bet that the Walt visions are a result of the “Accelerated Remote Viewing” facility. Remote viewing is not remote projecting, but I’ve been thinking all along that the WAAAAALT! visions are being deliberately created by someone from one of the original psychological experiments. I wonder why they have speaking backwards, though. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/200 "2005-11-11T17:01:42Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Remote viewing is not remote projecting, but I’ve been thinking all along that the WAAAAALT! visions are being deliberately created by someone from one of the original psychological experiments. I wonder why they have speaking backwards, though. I can’t do it right now–but somebody should check to see if Walt himself is a mirror image in those visions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181.md?page=11)