# Lost 2.6: "Abandoned" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 9, 2005, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181 "2005-11-09T05:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/201 "2005-11-11T17:03:39Z")
Juxtapositional Eugenics Development Institute or J.E.D.I. Saw this on another site. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/202 "2005-11-11T17:04:05Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > There were also other [listings](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/guests) (search for 2.6) there for people I can’t identify - although they may have been named, but insignificant people. Don’t know which of the others you can’t identify, but a silly piece of trivia about Lindsay Frost, who played Shannon’s Evil Stepmother; she got her start on the soap opera _As The World Turns_, playing Betsy Stewart Andropoulos, having taken over the role from an actress who left the show to pursue a movie career in Hollywood – Meg Ryan. And to drag the silly trivia connection a bit further, _As The World Turns_ is also where Thomas Gibson got his acting start, playing Derek Mason, who was married to the show’s then-heroine, and was killed in an explosion he’d actually arranged to try to kill his wife. And to stetch it beyond what anyone probably gives a hoot about, since it’s a real looooong stretch to connect it to _Lost_, but the actor featured in previews shown during this week’s episode of _Lost_, for the new show _Invasion_, William Fichtner, also got _his_ acting start on _As The World Turns_, playing Betsy Stewart Andropoulos’s love interest, opposite Lindsay Frost. ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/203 "2005-11-11T17:15:10Z")
The two memos linked from that site are dated two days apart and both deal with the Zanzibar monkey experiment – and the more ominous one was faxed to them two days before the “Happy birthday, monkey!” press release. I think the whole swaddling thing was meant as a parallel to Shannon. She’d lived an easy, sheltered life and when she was harshly unswaddled, she flipped out and couldn’t handle it. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/204 "2005-11-11T17:20:47Z")
Regarding “Joop”: [spoiler]Experimental subject 626? Isn’t that Stitch’s number from _Lilo and Stitch_? Easter egg, you think?[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/205 "2005-11-11T17:24:51Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > \ > I have absolutely no idea what Juxtapositional Eugenics means. But of course, I can’t wait to find out. 🙂 Pure speculation on my part: “Juxtaposition” usually denotes opposites, often comparing two opposite ends of some spectrum. “Eugenics” usually has something to do with managing DNA in breeding programs. Ergo, I’m thinking this has something to do with breeding or creating “evil twins.” > [@cbawlmer](#): > > I think the whole swaddling thing was meant as a parallel to Shannon. She’d lived an easy, sheltered life and when she was harshly unswaddled, she flipped out and couldn’t handle it. …And Locke said something to the effect of, “We don’t learn to want freedom until we’re older.” ---
**Author:** ![BrianJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/54ee81/32.png) [@BrianJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianJ)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/206 "2005-11-11T17:32:46Z")
Quick question, since I missed this episode (dang VCR hehe) Who were the two women mentioned earlier? Cindy and Libby I think the names were? I only remember 1 other woman besides AL… The blond lady who was with Michael before he ran off. Whish is she? And what does the other one look like? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/207 "2005-11-11T17:36:04Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Remote viewing is not remote projecting, but I’ve been thinking all along that the WAAAAALT! visions are being deliberately created by someone from one of the original psychological experiments. I wonder why they have speaking backwards, though. But see, that’s why Walt speaks backwards! They plugged the equipment in backwards! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/208 "2005-11-11T17:39:31Z")
> [@BrianJ4](#): > > I only remember 1 other woman besides AL… The blond lady who was with Michael before he ran off. Whish is she? And what does the other one look like? Libby is the blonde lady, and Cindy was an Australian woman with dark hair and (I think) a blue shirt who didn’t have a single line I could remember until this week. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/209 "2005-11-11T17:41:17Z")
> [@BrianJ4](#): > > Quick question, since I missed this episode (dang VCR hehe) > > Who were the two women mentioned earlier? Cindy and Libby I think the names were? > > I only remember 1 other woman besides AL… The blond lady who was with Michael before he ran off. Whish is she? And what does the other one look like? Cindy is the stewardess who gave Jack the extra vodka on the plane. She was among the tail section survivors, even though she chased Charlie up to the front of the plane right before it came down. :dubious: Libby is the blond woman you mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/210 "2005-11-11T17:45:51Z")
> [@BrianJ4](#): > > Quick question, since I missed this episode (dang VCR hehe) > > Who were the two women mentioned earlier? Cindy and Libby I think the names were? > > I only remember 1 other woman besides AL… The blond lady who was with Michael before he ran off. Whish is she? And what does the other one look like? The blonde one is Libby, played by [Cynthia Watros](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0914475/). The other one is, indeed, Cindy, played by [Kimberley Joseph](http://www.kimberleyjoseph.com/main.html). ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/211 "2005-11-11T18:02:01Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > Cindy is the stewardess who gave Jack the extra vodka on the plane. She was among the tail section survivors, even though she chased Charlie up to the front of the plane right before it came down. :dubious: This is what you choose to be dubious about? 😛 So the [Dharma Initiative](http://thedharmainitiative.org/) site now has a login option. This is going to bug me for quite some time. Any suggestions for things to try, give me a shout–I’ve got nothing to do after lunch today. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/212 "2005-11-11T18:14:18Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > So the [Dharma Initiative](http://thedharmainitiative.org/) site now has a login option. This is going to bug me for quite some time. Any suggestions for things to try, give me a shout–I’ve got nothing to do after lunch today. 🙂 All of the ‘access denied’ pages have the word “Namaste” toward the end of the paragraph, you might try that as a password. For logins try the names of any of the Dharma scientists whose names we know, or combinations of first initials and last names and so forth. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/213 "2005-11-11T18:20:57Z")
According to [The Fuselage](http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/archive/index.php/t-21785.html), what I’m looking at is not an official site, so I’m officially giving up. 🙂 Thanks for the suggestions, though, **August**! ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/214 "2005-11-11T18:25:08Z")
> [@August West](#): > > All of the ‘access denied’ pages have the word “Namaste” toward the end of the paragraph… And of course “Namaste” spelled sideways is “eats man.” :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/215 "2005-11-11T19:56:04Z")
by the way, is this the first episode in which more than one person hears the whispering at one time? CFL mentions it and Sayid and Sawyer have heard it, but I don’t think that it’s been a group experience until this ep. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/216 "2005-11-11T20:54:15Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > Cindy is the stewardess who gave Jack the extra vodka on the plane. She was among the tail section survivors, even though she chased Charlie up to the front of the plane right before it came down. :dubious: If the tail rips off, and the cabin becomes depressurized, then anyone standing would be ripped out of the plane, right? Including Cindy. The question I have, is if Charlie was in the bathroom that was in the front (remember, he went with Jack and Claire to get his drugs when the Pilot died), why was he on the beach and not with the nose section? Did he come out of the bathroom? [sub] Have I asked this question before? Because it seems familiar![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/217 "2005-11-11T21:07:07Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > The question I have, is if Charlie was in the bathroom that was in the front (remember, he went with Jack and Claire to get his drugs when the Pilot died), why was he on the beach and not with the nose section? Charlie came out, dodged a beverage cart, then strapped himself into a seat in business class, I believe. Cindy could very well have done the same. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/218 "2005-11-11T21:13:33Z")
That we’ve seen, it’s all been solo hearing. The Tailaways may have had mass hearings, but we haven’t heard about it yet. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/219 "2005-11-11T22:33:32Z")
> [@Little Wing](#): > > I don’t suppose the others go around yelling “Waaaallt” before they attack. Maybe they do. Michael has a secret plan to use it as a camoflague of sorts… ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/220 "2005-11-11T23:44:34Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > Could be; I still think there’s something going on with that car. It’s hit three separate lostaways: Michael, Kate & Locke. Meaning the actual, same, red (IIRC from Locke in the parking lot) car? -Joe [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181.md?page=12)