# Lost 2.6: "Abandoned" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 9, 2005, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181 "2005-11-09T05:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/81 "2005-11-10T14:53:30Z")
What were Shannon’s last words? Walt!!! Thats why she was shot. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/82 "2005-11-10T14:57:27Z")
Anybody else recognize the creek bed the tailies were walking down? Wasn’t this the same creekbed where shannon died the ‘first’ time? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/83 "2005-11-10T15:01:39Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Agreed, but I didn’t get a whole lot of nice out of that flashback. She started off kinda nice. Then she lost it after she freaked out at Boone for trying to give her money after she asked Boone to get money from mumsy-poo and if she could live with him. “Could you help me? Could you help me? I DON’T WANT YOUR GODDAMNED HELP!!!” :rolleyes: I don’t see it that way. She thought it was her and Boone against the world, or at least her stepmother. Then he tells her he is taking a job with Mom. Probably offered to him just to get him out of NY so he couldn’t help Shannon. “But it’s a good job”, nice one Boone. Suddenly the only thing left in her world crashes down. First her father, then her money and now Boone. I can understand why she freaked out. Remember she was only 18. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/84 "2005-11-10T15:07:38Z")
A few thoughts: - I will never read a spoiler box offered by **silenus** again. They are too damn good. - Best line of the night: Locke drops the heroin comment on Charlie…long pause…“Now it’s your turn.” - I’m with **simster**. Ana Lucia must have had some gun training prior to the crash. Just because she became Rambina fighting the others doesn’t mean she would instantly be able to use a gun. And did you see her dynamic stance when firing? - Are we seeing a trend here? How many of the castaways have someone COMPLETLY evil in their lives? Walt’s mother. Locke’s father. Boone’s mother. There are more parental issues here than in a Spielberg movie. - Cindy. Poor Cindy. The reddest redshirt of them all. - I think I will defend Michael, Sawyer and Jin when it comes to the “Shhhh…” Every time they had asked a question, they got the Shhhh… I think they, and the audience, were at the breaking point. An explanation was needed. - But in that explanation, Michael concluded that Walt was with the “Others” who stole Cindy. I don’t think he is. I think the others are the result of some experiment and the boat people are the folks in charge of the experiments. - Speaking of the Others, I wonder why CFL has never seen them? Did they move too fast? - Seeing Boone on the show again was creepy. I’ll bet that was tough for Somerhalder and the entire crew to shoot those scenes. And speaking of Boone, why do you think that the dog went to Boone’s grave? - I love the way they have made Libby look. She looks like a woman who has actually been on an island with no luxuries for 40+ days. And in real life, she is one of the most beautiful women in showbiz! - Though I hate AL, I really like the additions of Libby and Mr. Echo. - Sayid had heard the whispers before, right? The look on his face was excellent. But did he really see Walt or was he looking to the place where the sounds were coming from? Does it matter? The whispers may have reminded him that weird things are happening on this island. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/85 "2005-11-10T15:09:58Z")
We broke the no-talking rule twice last night. Sayid: “I love you.” Me: “Ohhh, she’s _dead_.” _Gunshot sounds_ Lost Co-Watcher: “Aaah! The last bullet! The last bullet!” So, what do we think about Libby asking if anybody saw _the kids_? The previews for next week also make it appear that the tailaways had at least one (little blonde) kid with them when they crashed. I can’t say that I was on the verge of liking Shannon, but I thought she was a good deal less useless than I used to. Boone let her down, but he was what … twenty? Not in any better place than she was to make good life decisions. She could have taken the money instead of throwing a fit, though. But who am I kidding? I’m just glad I got to stare at Ian Somerhalder for a little while again. 😃 Poor Sayid. No luck with the ladies. Ana Lunacia handled that gun in far to competent a way to just have picked it up. I’m with those who are betting her backstory includes either police or military training. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/86 "2005-11-10T15:12:54Z")
Ok, I know I’m going back an episode but in LOST 2.5 when Jin and Mr Eko (Echo, huh? ECHO!) ducked into the brush to hide from the Others did I see someone else hiding in the brush too? Right before you see Jin and Echo you see a pair of eyes in the brush. I only saw one pair, then you see Jin and Echo. Am I mistaken? If not, could that have been Desmond? I don’t get the Ana-Lucia hatred. Granted, she’s bitchy and irrational but damn, if the Tailies really had to go through a brand new kind of hell on their side of the island can you blame her? Given that, with the exception of Mr Echo, the other Tailies seem paralyzed with fear, someone has to take charge and be tough. Not to mention I love the barbs she and Sawyer zing at each other. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/87 "2005-11-10T15:15:18Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Anybody else recognize the creek bed the tailies were walking down? Wasn’t this the same creekbed where shannon died the ‘first’ time? That would be cool. I had a hard time accepting the idea that even a manipulative bitch wouldn’t support her stepdaughter’s internship with the Martha Graham dance company… ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/88 "2005-11-10T15:26:16Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > Ana Lunacia handled that gun in far to competent a way to just have picked it up. I’m with those who are betting her backstory includes either police or military training. Wouldn’t it be interesting if she were with the CIA? Maybe she was responsible for making sure Sayid got to LA. Discovering a pre-exitisting tie to Sayid, after popping his girlfriend, would create much drama. Of course, we may bot know for a while if she is in the CIA…unless Scooter Libby knows her identity! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/89 "2005-11-10T15:31:37Z")
…man… some whiny people here. This was a solid episode. You know why it was predictable that Shannon would die? Because the entire episode was building to that in a logical and narrative way. For those that predicted it, congratulations on having eyes and ears. This episode wasn’t to redeem Shannon, it was an origin story. How did she end up so shallow and bitchy? This answered it. ---
**Author:** ![flex727](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/258eb7/32.png) [@flex727](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flex727)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/90 "2005-11-10T15:48:32Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > A few thoughts: > > - Seeing Boone on the show again was creepy. I’ll bet that was tough for Somerhalder and the entire crew to shoot those scenes. I snipped most of your post in bandwidth considerations, but I loved all your thoughts on this episode, **middleman**. Just one thing to add - the writers frequently like to talk to (or sneer at) the audience (e.g. Arzt’s complaints to Hurley just before he blew up and when Locke said “We’re gonna need to watch that again” after viewing the training film). They did it again here when Shannon sees Boone for the first time, in the flashback, and exclaims “Boone, you’re back!” ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/91 "2005-11-10T15:50:49Z")
> [@flex727](#): > > They did it again here when Shannon sees Boone for the first time, in the flashback, and exclaims “Boone, you’re back!” It goes back further than that–Boone’s words to her right before that were “Death sucks, doesn’t it?” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/92 "2005-11-10T15:50:57Z")
Some further analysis from another source: [spoiler]…While Shannon and Sayid were plumbing the soon-to-be irrelevant depths of Shannon’s psyche, some far more interesting developments were taking place on a jungle escarpment not too far away. The Tailies and their new friends, Michael, Jin, and Sawyer, were hiking towards Forward-Section camp when they came upon a steep embankment. They began to scale the rise, dragging Sawyer (feverish from his gunshot wound) on a makeshift stretcher. Bringing up the rear of their little caravan were Libby and Cindy. Now here’s where things get interesting: By the time they reached the top of the ridge, Cindy was gone, presumably ‘‘taken’’ by the Others. How did this happen? With Libby’s help. I’m calling it: Libby’s a plant. She’s the Ethan of the Tailies’ camp. First off, go to the tape. Libby’s the last one to interact with Cindy. And Cindy’s carrying a large blue knapsack. By the time they’ve climbed to the top, Libby’s carrying the knapsack. You’re telling me she took the knapsack from Cindy and then proceeded to forget all about her? This is a ridge, not K-2 — you don’t just ‘‘lose’’ people like that. Also notable: Cindy hands Libby a walking stick of some sort, just before we lose track of her completely. As this handoff takes place, we see a cavelike opening in the background, right where Cindy’s about to pass. And it looks as if there’s some sort of shape inside. But here’s my best evidence of Libby’s treachery: Tonight, she told Sawyer she’s a clinical psychologist. Well, who appears to have designed this tropical house of horrors, according to a certain orientation video? A team of clinical psychologists, that’s who. Coincidence? What do you think? Is there such a thing as coincidence in the world of television drama? Consult the little Locke on your left shoulder (as opposed to the tiny Jack on your right).[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/93 "2005-11-10T15:58:04Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Wouldn’t it be interesting if she were with the CIA? Maybe she was responsible for making sure Sayid got to LA. Discovering a pre-exitisting tie to Sayid, after popping his girlfriend, would create much drama. > > Of course, we may bot know for a while if she is in the CIA…unless Scooter Libby knows her identity! 😃 > [@](#): > > I’m with simster. Ana Lucia must have had some gun training prior to the crash. Just because she became Rambina fighting the others doesn’t mean she would instantly be able to use a gun. And did you see her dynamic stance when firing? I stand by my speculation from an earlier thread. I noticed the look she gave Sawyer when she first saw him with the gun. The look said “how did you get that gun from my partner and what did you do with him.” She is a US Marshall, undercover on the flight acting as backup for the dead guy. Purely speculation, I don’t go to spoiler sites. Other than this one of course. ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Tiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Mama\_Tiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Tiger)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/94 "2005-11-10T16:05:29Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I had a hard time accepting the idea that even a manipulative bitch wouldn’t support her stepdaughter’s internship with the Martha Graham dance company… And I have a hard time that a daughter could be completely disinherited in favor of a stepmother. Call me stupid, but shouldn’t Shannon have run, not walked, straight to an attorney to sue the pants off Evil Stepmother for a portion of her father’s estate? I don’t believe children can be 100% disinherited, in most jurisdictions, anyway, no matter _what_ the setup. That one annoyed me so much that it distracted me from most of Shannon’s backstory, and certainly made her seem more idiotic than pathetic to me. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/95 "2005-11-10T16:13:22Z")
> [@Mama Tiger](#): > > I don’t believe children can be 100% disinherited, in most jurisdictions, anyway, no matter _what_ the setup. How convenient for her stepmother that Shannon was 18 at the time… although now that I think about it, she did say that while she was at her internship, she’d be working 12 hours a week… :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/96 "2005-11-10T16:27:25Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > How convenient for her stepmother that Shannon was 18 at the time… although now that I think about it, she did say that while she was at her internship, she’d be working 12 hours a week… :dubious: I thought she said sixteen hours a day. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/97 "2005-11-10T16:32:30Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > How convenient for her stepmother that Shannon was 18 at the time… although now that I think about it, she did say that while she was at her internship, she’d be working 12 hours a week… :dubious: I thought she said 16 hours. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/98 "2005-11-10T16:33:30Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Some further analysis from another source: > > [spoiler]…While Shannon and Sayid were plumbing the soon-to-be irrelevant depths of Shannon’s psyche, some far more interesting developments were taking place on a jungle escarpment not too far away. > > The Tailies and their new friends, Michael, Jin, and Sawyer, were hiking towards Forward-Section camp when they came upon a steep embankment. They began to scale the rise, dragging Sawyer (feverish from his gunshot wound) on a makeshift stretcher. Bringing up the rear of their little caravan were Libby and Cindy. Now here’s where things get interesting: By the time they reached the top of the ridge, Cindy was gone, presumably ‘‘taken’’ by the Others. How did this happen? > > With Libby’s help. > > I’m calling it: Libby’s a plant. She’s the Ethan of the Tailies’ camp. > > First off, go to the tape. Libby’s the last one to interact with Cindy. And Cindy’s carrying a large blue knapsack. By the time they’ve climbed to the top, Libby’s carrying the knapsack. You’re telling me she took the knapsack from Cindy and then proceeded to forget all about her? This is a ridge, not K-2 — you don’t just ‘‘lose’’ people like that. Also notable: Cindy hands Libby a walking stick of some sort, just before we lose track of her completely. As this handoff takes place, we see a cavelike opening in the background, right where Cindy’s about to pass. And it looks as if there’s some sort of shape inside. > > But here’s my best evidence of Libby’s treachery: Tonight, she told Sawyer she’s a clinical psychologist. Well, who appears to have designed this tropical house of horrors, according to a certain orientation video? A team of clinical psychologists, that’s who. Coincidence? What do you think? Is there such a thing as coincidence in the world of television drama? Consult the little Locke on your left shoulder (as opposed to the tiny Jack on your right).[/spoiler] That’s the theory that’s been floating around on the Television Without Pity site for a while now. Great minds think alike huh? And regarding Ponce de Lebitch’s gunmanship… It’s supposed to be revealed in her flashback that she was a cop and was fired. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/99 "2005-11-10T16:44:17Z")
[TV.com](http://www.tv.com/lost/show/24313/summary.html?q=lost)’s _Lost_ site indicates we’re in for a treat on November 30th in an episode entitled … _What Kate Did_. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/100 "2005-11-10T16:53:20Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > That’s the theory that’s been floating around on the Television Without Pity site for a while now. Great minds think alike huh? It kinda has to be that way, don’t you think? Both groups should have something like that, if the theory is true. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181.md?page=6)