# Lost 2.6: "Abandoned" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 9, 2005, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181 "2005-11-09T05:58:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/141 "2005-11-10T20:00:22Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > Boy, it’s a pain talking in spoiler boxes. Maybe we should make an open spoilers thread. Except… most of these aren’t actually spoilers, they are speculations. If it’s information from a spoiler site, box it. But if it’s just your own speculation – no need to spoiler box it. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/142 "2005-11-10T20:03:46Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Except… most of these aren’t actually spoilers, they are speculations. > > If it’s information from a spoiler site, box it. But if it’s just your own speculation – no need to spoiler box it. What if it’s a speculation, wrapped in a spoiler, tied up with a WAG? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/143 "2005-11-10T20:03:47Z")
re: the screencaps… Definitely make it more interesting… and maybe it’s a way for them to play that out… we (the audience) no Sayid saw what/who AL shot at. So, I’ll leave it open… maybe AL did not shoot shannon… but, she’s still dead. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/144 "2005-11-10T20:03:56Z")
> [@simster](#): > > On Vincent… he was away from the main group for some time, and I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if he wasnt part of Walt’s power… > > Vincent wasn’t leading Shannon to Walt… he was leading them to Micheal. > > Walt’s not on the island… > > And clearly, shannon doesnt know that a dog cant follow a trail that doesnt exist… scent dogs only work when there is a path from point A to point B. Clearly, Shannon, when seeing Waaaalt, assumes he’s real and not a vision or ghost of a dead kid. Obviously she’s going to assume Vincent could follow his trail. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/145 "2005-11-10T20:06:35Z")
> [@The Chao Goes Mu](#): > > Clearly, Shannon, when seeing Waaaalt, assumes he’s real and not a vision or ghost of a dead kid. Obviously she’s going to assume Vincent could follow his trail. Fair enough… ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/146 "2005-11-10T20:09:32Z")
Unless it is speculation based on spoiler sites, as much of this has been! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/147 "2005-11-10T20:12:10Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Fair enough… I meant to throw in a 🙂 so you would know I was not trying to be snarky. So, sorry if it sounded that way. I’m thinking, that AL really had no true hand in Shannon’s death. How great for the Other’s though. Once the tribes combine there will now be some serious disharmony. A boon for the Other’s as tempers flare and people possibly begin to scatter from the main group. (Pure specualtion, of course) ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Carnage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/max_carnage/32/12775_2.png) [@Max\_Carnage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Carnage)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/148 "2005-11-10T20:16:49Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > I am now envisioning the exchange that will occur when Michael comes face to face with Wet Dripping Backwards Walt (or perhaps he should be referred to as Tlaw). > > Michael: WAAAAAAAAAAAALTTTTTTTTTTTT! > Tlaw: Gobbledy-goobledy-gook. > Michael: WAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLT! > Tlaw: SSssshhhh! > Michael: Walt! > Tlaw: Paul is dead. Paul is dead. > > (Tlaw disappears) > > Michael: WAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLTTTTTTTTTTT! Shouldn’t Tlaw be saying “!hhhhhhSSSS” ? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/149 "2005-11-10T20:20:54Z")
Well, one things for sure… Sayid will know one way or the other if it’s a gunshot wound… he may not care, or he may ask “what the hell just happened”? And it was a valid point that Shannon “thought vincent could follow walt’s trail”… I was looking at it that WE know walt wasn’t “really” there. Either way, Vincent took Shannon to “them”… ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/150 "2005-11-10T20:23:42Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Vincent wasn’t leading Shannon to Walt… he was leading them to Micheal. > > Walt’s not on the island… > > And clearly, shannon doesnt know that a dog cant follow a trail that doesnt exist… I wonder if the writers are aware that Labradors are good Newfie dogs that were originally bred to help fishermen drag heavy nets out of the sea… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_chao_goes_mu/32/3191_2.png) [@The\_Chao\_Goes\_Mu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Chao_Goes_Mu)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/151 "2005-11-10T20:31:14Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Well, one things for sure… Sayid will know one way or the other if it’s a gunshot wound… he may not care, or he may ask “what the hell just happened”? > > And it was a valid point that Shannon “thought vincent could follow walt’s trail”… I was looking at it that WE know walt wasn’t “really” there. > > **Either way, Vincent took Shannon to "them**"… Indeed he did, which raises many questions, eh? Does Vincent \*sense \* these Walty-like apparitions? Was he trying to lead Shannon to Michael and the gang? Is the Waaaltthing a representation of something sinister or is he/it trying to help? Is the dog evil? Obviously I’m being very simplistic with this line of thinking but any more deep speculations and my head will explode. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Airblairxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Airblairxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airblairxxx)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/152 "2005-11-10T20:32:20Z")
People, people, people. You’re all overlooking the obvious. Vincent the dog went to Boone’s grave because of what he would find there: Fresh meat! ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/153 "2005-11-10T20:35:34Z")
When debating gunshot or some other type of attack, we need to remember poor Goodwin. He was the guy that Echo saw speared to the log. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/154 "2005-11-10T20:40:58Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Unless it is speculation based on spoiler sites, as much of this has been! I agree with this. Since I visit so many spoiler sites, it’s possible that any speculation of mine is tainted by something I’ve read or heard, I think I’ll box all of my speculations. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/155 "2005-11-10T20:42:13Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I don’t understand her motivations, or where the writers were planning to go with her. First she’s a spoiled self-centered brat. Then she has asthma, which I guess was supposed to get her a tiny bit of sympathy. Then she’s back to her old ways, looking cute so Charlie will catch fish for her. A couple times the writers made it seem like maybe she was growing up and learning to stand on her own two feet. But then I had to sneer at Sayid a bit when I saw he’d built her a house. Sheesh. Men are so predictible sometimes. :rolleyes: Teach her how to build her own shelter! I never liked the character Shannon or the looks of the actress, so I don’t care that she’s gone. Neither do I care about her brother. But this critizism falls a little flat for me. In real life, people change. They also change back and forth, go from good to bad, do bad things for good reasons and good things for bad reasons. I think it’s interesting - and one of the major reasons I watch the show, that these few flashbacks of Shannon (which so many think is pointless) have managed to flesh out her character enough to hint at the complexity of what it’s like to be a real human. Most of Hollydumb are satisfied with presenting us with cardboard cut characters and show a very linear progression how how their personalities evolve (if at all). Someone else upthread said something about how meaningless it was to have these charcters (Shannon and Boone) on the show, since they had empty lives and didn’t contribute. But that’s the thing. Some of the people on the plane wasn’t there for a reason. They only happened to be there - from the POV of the story. The writers used Boone as a device to make smooth expositions for Locke and when the charcter of Locke was firmly established, Boone was just dead weight. But from the internal concistency of the story, the people on the Island don’t have to be there for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/156 "2005-11-10T20:44:10Z")
Well, despite all this “who killed who” business… Artz still wins the award for “Best Death” in this show. Nobody else has yet died more spectacularly, and with as much irony (teaching them how to handle dynamite safely). ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/157 "2005-11-10T20:49:49Z")
This has been brought up briefly, but not really addressed: did Sayid actually see Walt, or not? He told Shannon he saw him, but the camera work implied that he didn’t. They showed Shannon’s face, then Walt, implying that that’s what she saw, then they showed Sayid’s face, followed by a shot of the jungle where Walt was, but with no Walt there, implying that Sayid didn’t see him. Then they did Shannon and Walt again, just to drive it home. I’m not positive, but it seemed like they were saying he was lying to make her feel better. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/158 "2005-11-10T20:49:54Z")
> [@The Gaspode](#): > > Someone else upthread said something about how meaningless it was to have these charcters (Shannon and Boone) on the show, since they had empty lives and didn’t contribute. But Boone **did** have a purpose – he did contribute! Specifically, if Boone hadn’t fumbled the flashlight catch, letting it fall and make the metallic clank, they wouldn’t have stumbled on the hatch. So Boone’s ineptness was instrumental in finding the hatch. (After that, one might argue that he had fulfilled his purpose… :D) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/159 "2005-11-10T20:57:56Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Well, despite all this “who killed who” business… Artz still wins the award for “Best Death” in this show. > > Nobody else has yet died more spectacularly, and with as much irony (teaching them how to handle dynamite safely). I don’t know about irony, but I thought Sucked-In-By-The-Engine-Guy in the Pilot episode had a pretty spectacular death! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181/160 "2005-11-10T21:15:40Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I don’t know about irony, but I thought Sucked-In-By-The-Engine-Guy in the Pilot episode had a pretty spectacular death! 🙂 True, but Arzt’s death was made even better after the fact by… “Dude. You’ve got some… Arnzt… on you.” 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-6-abandoned/330181.md?page=9)