# Lost 2.7 "The Other 48 Days" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 16, 2005, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379 "2005-11-16T20:37:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![BigDummy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee59a6/32.png) [@BigDummy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigDummy)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/181 "2005-11-18T18:44:02Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Is it a coincidence that the plane broke in two, and each half was taken to an opposite side of the island, and crashed on the exact beathes where Ethan and Nathan happened to be waiting? We know it takes days to cross the island on foot. What are the odds that they were both right there? I can see two possibilities: Either they caused the plane to crash, maybe with telekenetic powers amplified by the island or something. The other possibility is that someone could see the future, and knew exactly where the plane’s pieces would land. But there’s there problem that the passengers should never have survived the crash, so I’m going with the theory that the plane was actually pulled apart in the air and the contents deposited on the beaches by some force. Not saying this is the case, but a third possiblity may be that there were more than just Ethan and Goodwin waiting. Maybe a larger group, with each person assigned a section of beach? So that the pieces didn’t land where those 2 happened to be waiting, those 2 happened to be assigned to the places the pieces landed. If I had the manpower, and we don’t know at this point if they do or not, that would kind of make sense to me even if I wasn’t expecting a plane. Anybody landing on the island could expect some type of fairly rapid response, even if it was just observation. Just a thought, I could be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/182 "2005-11-18T18:45:15Z")
> [@BigDummy](#): > > Not saying this is the case, but a third possiblity may be that there were more than just Ethan and Goodwin waiting. Maybe a larger group, with each person assigned a section of beach? So that the pieces didn’t land where those 2 happened to be waiting, those 2 happened to be assigned to the places the pieces landed. . We’ve known for a long time that Ethan wasn’t acting alone. Charlie said “They only wanted Claire” after he was rescued from the kidnapping. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/183 "2005-11-18T18:46:16Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Haven’t we seen FOUR sections? > > The Main cabin (Losties), the tail section (tailies), the Nose (pilot), and the section where Kate found the briefcase under water (Kate in her undies!). That was just a block of seats that broke free, probably close to where the fuselage came apart. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/184 "2005-11-18T20:50:48Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > That was just a block of seats that broke free, probably close to where the fuselage came apart. There’s littlle bits of wreckage here and there all over the place. Jack found a bunch of luggage, include his dad’s coffin (but NOT Dr. Christian Shepard!) by the caves. ---
**Author:** ![BigDummy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee59a6/32.png) [@BigDummy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigDummy)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/185 "2005-11-18T21:34:28Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > We’ve known for a long time that Ethan wasn’t acting alone. Charlie said “They only wanted Claire” after he was rescued from the kidnapping. Right. I didn’t think I was saying otherwise, but I can see the confusion. I knew that there were more of them, the larger group I was talking about was a group waiting for survivors to land, rather than just the two guys. So that Ethan & Goodwin wouldn’t have to know exactly where they were going to land and already be there, as was kind of suggested in the post I was responding to. Sorry for not being clear. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/186 "2005-11-18T21:55:25Z")
There is every reason to believe that the plane crash was not an “accident”, so it’s not crazy to think that some group would be anticipating crash survivors. And, of course, I’m not 100% convinced that plane crash was real in the first place. This could be some huge psychological experiment. That makes more sense than the idea that so many people could survive a plane crash… ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/187 "2005-11-18T21:57:53Z")
Who are the Pirate 'Others" then? They didn’t looks as if they were in ragged clothes. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/188 "2005-11-18T21:59:56Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > Who are the Pirate 'Others" then? They didn’t looks as if they were in ragged clothes. They were the \*other \*Others. 🙂 Kidding aside, I think there are many groups that can be called “Others”. ---
**Author:** ![BigDummy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee59a6/32.png) [@BigDummy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigDummy)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/189 "2005-11-18T22:12:33Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > There is every reason to believe that the plane crash was not an “accident”, so it’s not crazy to think that some group would be anticipating crash survivors. True, which is why I mentioned it as an alternative and not as what I thought happened (the “Not that I’m saying this is the case” part). I’m pretty sure I never said it was a crazy idea that it wasn’t just an accident. I was going to add another post before saying > [@](#): > > Not that they _didn’t_ know exactly where they would land, just that they didn’t necessarily _have_ to know to have people there. I guess I should have. Again, my bad. This really makes so much more sense inside my brain. ---
**Author:** ![BigDummy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee59a6/32.png) [@BigDummy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigDummy)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/190 "2005-11-18T22:14:41Z")
Assuming there really was a crash at all. ---
**Author:** ![flex727](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/258eb7/32.png) [@flex727](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flex727)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/191 "2005-11-18T22:35:33Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > Who are the Pirate 'Others" then? They didn’t looks as if they were in ragged clothes. > [@John Mace](#): > > They were the \*other \*Others. 🙂 > > Kidding aside, I think there are many groups that can be called “Others”. Sheesh! There’s more people on this island than Manhattan! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2005, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/192 "2005-11-18T23:04:23Z")
> [@BigDummy](#): > > Assuming there really was a crash at all. We know the tail end was part of a crash. We saw it happen. Something else has been on my mind: did anyone from the tailenders call these guys the “others”? I know they understood Jin when he said “utters!” but why would they know what he meant? The only reason Jin (and the viewers) call the Others the “Others” is because CFL called them that. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/193 "2005-11-19T00:08:08Z")
The tailenders would say “one of them” I believe. Or “those people”. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/194 "2005-11-19T00:37:34Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > They were the \*other \*Others. 🙂 > > Kidding aside, I think there are many groups that can be called “Others”. I course I have Frank Zappa in my head now: “We are the Other people We are the Other people You’re the Other people, too – We’ll find a way to get to you…” ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/195 "2005-11-19T07:21:41Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > Thank you for noticing, I did it for effect. Most people don’t get me. Hell I don’t get m most of the time. 😉 > > \*\*Misnomer \*\* I turned to my wife and said “hey look it was directed by Eric Laneuville!” > > I got the same blank stare that you got with your post. 😃 Just so you know, I noticed it as well, but since I wasn’t the first to comment, I let it slide. I think a comparison of writers/directors per episode might prove interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Jones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/96bed5/32.png) [@Cat\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Jones)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/196 "2005-11-19T09:38:52Z")
> [@Antigen](#): > > And **ivylass** , watching the episode I found Goodwin distracting because he looked just enough like Sean Bean but not quite at all. Me too ! ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/197 "2005-11-19T15:21:09Z")
Note on chronology: in Season One, in the episode “Do No Harm” (which I believe is from the Hippocratic Oath) Boone died a day and a night after the Beechcraft fell off the cliff, not the same night. It’s dark by the time Locke gets him to the caves, then it’s daylight when Kate gets to the beach to collect alcohol; then later it’s night again, and Jack is totally exhausted from working on Boone all that time (he apparently did a makeshift surgical repair on his thoracic damage, sewed him up and donated his own blood, which was useless because it just pooled in Boone’s crushed leg). It’s dark again, Jack is preparing to amputate Boone’s leg, but doesn’t when he finally acknowledges that he just can’t save the patient. So, there’s an extra day there (unless the daylight scenes are a **huge** continuity error). As for Shannon – I watched the tape of “The Other 48 Days” again, and you can find ambiguity in the final scene. I guess it’s _possible_ that Shannon and Ana Lucia were not even in the same scene. However, if that turned out to be the case, it would be such a stupid, insulting, pointless cheat that I might stop watching the show. ---
**Author:** ![picker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/picker/32/13969_2.png) [@picker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/picker)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2005, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/198 "2005-11-19T18:56:02Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Don’t you have to use a different technique because the blood circulates the opposite way from the way it does in the N. Hemisphere? 🙂 Just use your other hand. ---
**Author:** ![McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a3d4f5/32.png) [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/McDeath_the_Mad)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2005, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/199 "2005-11-21T22:16:24Z")
**Lost 2.8 "Collision (a.k.a.Old Habits)"** Here be the rules… > [@](#): > > Information about all episodes aired to this point – including the current week – will be unboxed. > Information about this week’s episode’s “next week” teasers will be unboxed. > Information about future episodes taken from spoiler sites/inside sources will be boxed. This includes links to promo photos and screencaps from future episodes. > Speculation based on events in episodes aired up to this point (including teasers) will be unboxed. > Speculation based on spoilers for upcoming episodes will be boxed. > > Please remember, links inside spoiler boxes are readable even to those who don’t highlight. Some useful links are given below: [The Official Lost Jargon Thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=286221) [Official “Lost” Questions Thread, Season 1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=284542) [Official “Lost” Questions Thread, Season 2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=336040) Sorry for starting this thread a little early, and like **Dante** last week I don’t want to step on anybody’s toes. I’m just at work after a couple weeks parental leave, ( **stainz** and I now have a beautiful baby girl named Sophia!). Just for grins I went to the Hanso Foundation website and guess what there is new information there! It’s located under the [Life Extension Project](http://www.thehansofoundation.org/lep.html). I have no idea what it means but I’m sure it will “show-up” in a future episode. Here are my thoughts about what will happen: From the Canadian preview, it looks like somehow Anna Lucia is keeping Michael, Jin and Sayid with the Tailies group and lets Mr. Eko take Sawyer to see Jack. How she does this I have no idea, maybe she convinces Sayid that she has more ammunition in her gun and she gets him to hand over his gun? Anyway, enjoy! MtM ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2005, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/lost-2-7-the-other-48-days/331379/200 "2005-11-22T02:23:57Z")
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